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Old 22-01-2013, 00:47
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Manchester and Liverpool have almost merged into one big block of 4G. I have also noticed Chelmsford in Essex is now blanketed in 4G, LTE is moving very very close to where I live and LTE is now just 10 miles from me! I really can't believe how quick they are rolling this out. I didn't expect to have 4G here for ages, looks like it might not be long
It's because it's not that technically difficult to do. LTE is effectively following the existing 2G coverage. It's not quite that simple because 2G uses TDMA which requires precise cell overlap tuning. LTE is easier to roll out requiring only power level adjustments like UMTS. I think LTE is even easier though as adjacent cells can communicate directly with one another using something called X2 meaning they can self organise better than 3G.
Please someone correct me if that's bollocks
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Old 22-01-2013, 22:14
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It's because it's not that technically difficult to do. LTE is effectively following the existing 2G coverage. It's not quite that simple because 2G uses TDMA which requires precise cell overlap tuning. LTE is easier to roll out requiring only power level adjustments like UMTS. I think LTE is even easier though as adjacent cells can communicate directly with one another using something called X2 meaning they can self organise better than 3G.
Please someone correct me if that's bollocks
Spot on that is, LTE is nearly where i live too shame i cant get much 2g or 3g though
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Old 23-01-2013, 10:27
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I hope to see Aberdeen (Scotland's Third largest city) on the Next announcement and would be great to see the coverage spread between Glasgow & Edinburgh following the M8 corridor (a million vehicles pass through it a month). Other than that LTE is now everywhere I need it, every city

Just found out that the Edinburgh trams when launched will have wifi powered by LTE. Not sure who the carrier is yet but a good chance seeing they are doing the deal in the next month that it will be EE.
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Old 23-01-2013, 10:36
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Ooohh listen to you. LTE everywhere. Smarty pants.
I'm not jealous at all.........
Who the hell was it that said "it's grim up North"? This is clearly not the case Hahahaha

The trams thing is very interesting. Great idea.
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Old 23-01-2013, 10:37
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Spot on that is, LTE is nearly where i live too shame i cant get much 2g or 3g though
Well LTE includes better 2G so you should have both when they get there. Who cares about 3G then!
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Old 23-01-2013, 10:40
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Lucan, have you experienced any issues at all with CSFB?
There are articles suggesting it could impact on the end user experience. From what very little testing I've done on the Plymouth CS mast, it didn't seen to cause any issues at all.
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Old 23-01-2013, 10:55
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Ooohh listen to you. LTE everywhere. Smarty pants.
I'm not jealous at all.........
Who the hell was it that said "it's grim up North"? This is clearly not the case Hahahaha

The trams thing is very interesting. Great idea.
Superfast Wifi on them is a great idea.. The Edinburgh trams themselves, not convinced. Meant to be finished by 2011 now 2014, meant to cost 375 million for a full route, now only getting half the route and is costing 770 million. Was meant to go past my door, not now. lol.

Most of 2010 - 2012 the centre of Edinburgh looked like this... http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/image...urgh_tram1.jpg
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Old 23-01-2013, 10:59
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CSFB.. It just switches down when a call comes through or when I make one. Really quick. Not done a LTE to 2G switch down yet..
Not sure why people would have issues?
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Old 23-01-2013, 11:09
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Well LTE includes better 2G so you should have both when they get there. Who cares about 3G then!
Don't forget 3G is needed for HD Voice as it doesn't work on 2G and 4G is currently only for data and not texts or calls.
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Old 23-01-2013, 12:24
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Don't forget 3G is needed for HD Voice as it doesn't work on 2G and 4G is currently only for data and not texts or calls.
Well this is where you're (possibly) wrong.
Huawie reckon that the new 2G will provide sound quality similar to 3G HD. We'll have to wait and see.

Check out paragraph 5 here
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/05/09/huawei_ee/

EDIT: LTE does carry texts by the way.
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Old 23-01-2013, 13:11
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Well this is where you're (possibly) wrong.
Huawie reckon that the new 2G will provide sound quality similar to 3G HD. We'll have to wait and see.

Check out paragraph 5 here
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/05/09/huawei_ee/

EDIT: LTE does carry texts by the way.
I'm only going by what it says on EE's website somewhere.
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Old 23-01-2013, 16:41
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3g is needed for 'hd voice' however 2g can provide good call quality
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Old 23-01-2013, 21:42
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But an EDGE enabled cell can manage up to something like 58Kbps per time slot so even with one time slot there is more than enough bandwidth for HD.
Huawei's new 21st century EDGE can probably do more.
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Old 23-01-2013, 22:39
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But an EDGE enabled cell can manage up to something like 58Kbps per time slot so even with one time slot there is more than enough bandwidth for HD.
Huawei's new 21st century EDGE can probably do more.
HD voice is 64K though so my research suggests, you have to remember EDGE isn't reliably a certain speed, just like 3G it's a range of speeds depending on the signal quality.

Also a lot of data is taken up in overhead, even though you might get a speedtest of 60Kbps the actual goodput would be lower. Ever tried a Skype call on a really slow internet connection? 2G latency would cause terrible audio delay and dropout..

HD voice needs 3G.
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Old 23-01-2013, 22:52
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Yeah I was probably talking crap but it sort of made sense.
Huawei say it'll be similar to HD. I dare say this new 2G network will have faster speeds and some of the newer wideband audio codecs only require 32Kbps. Still 300Hz to 14Khz audio.
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Old 23-01-2013, 23:08
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2G can indeed have very similar call quality to HD Voice.. I can't say much more on that.
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Old 24-01-2013, 20:02
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How are people finding 4GEE? I decided to get a mifi unit and have to say I've been really disappointed with it.

In the places I manage to get a 4G signal the speeds never seem to get much above 6/7 Mb/s... On EE 3G on my iPhone I have regularly had 16Mb/s+ on 3G HSPA+!

My old 3 mifi was far better for speed...I'm on a 30 day sim so may be killing it if it doesn't improve...
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Old 24-01-2013, 21:28
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How are people finding 4GEE? I decided to get a mifi unit and have to say I've been really disappointed with it.

In the places I manage to get a 4G signal the speeds never seem to get much above 6/7 Mb/s... On EE 3G on my iPhone I have regularly had 16Mb/s+ on 3G HSPA+!

My old 3 mifi was far better for speed...I'm on a 30 day sim so may be killing it if it doesn't improve...
Looks like me and you are in the same position, max i ever had was 17Mbps and that was at 4am in the morning. HSPA+/DC-HSPA was faster. before they capped speeds. now they can say there LTE is 5 times faster because they cap the 3g speeds!.
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Old 24-01-2013, 21:47
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I found that i was getting way faster speeds on my iPhone (LTE) than i was getting on the companies 4G Mifi... I gave it to one of our tech guys and he apparently said it was local wifi interference on the default channel.

ONLY Full Monty is capped and even then it's only a percentage of FM users.
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Old 24-01-2013, 22:02
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When are these new T-Mobile plan changes coming that were mentioned? Didn't some guy say the full Monty was expanding? :/

I thought that was meant to happen on the 22nd, but never did so when are the new T-Mobile plans coming? Also are Orange still changing their plans on the 1st of Feb?
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Old 24-01-2013, 22:10
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When are these new T-Mobile plan changes coming that were mentioned? Didn't some guy say the full Monty was expanding? :/

I thought that was meant to happen on the 22nd, but never did so when are the new T-Mobile plans coming? Also are Orange still changing their plans on the 1st of Feb?
Some guy?, some guy?? How very dare you!! Sorry
Yes, Orange on the first so if you want unlimited data for 51, get it now.
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Old 24-01-2013, 22:47
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I wasn't talking about me then either.
Oh and I also meant 1st.
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Old 25-01-2013, 15:32
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Sorry lol, so are all T-Mobile, EE and Orange plans changing on the 1st? So EE has a new 20gb plan, orange is getting rid of unlimited data, not asking you what at all but are T-Mobile plans changing?
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Old 25-01-2013, 17:40
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Not really sure to be honest and it appears the EE 20GB plan is only a tempoary offer.
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Old 26-01-2013, 03:06
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Not really sure to be honest and it appears the EE 20GB plan is only a tempoary offer.
Yeah isn't it only till the end of March or something then it goes up to 76/Month? (or is it 71?)

The SIMO plan is obviously cheaper since there is no handset to subsidise, I can't remember by how much though.

Lets hope they just keep the prices low since they'll have some competition sooner rather than later.

I think the t-mobile plans are changing but no sure what to yet.
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