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Old 13-05-2013, 06:31
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i think the only way lennon will quite celtic for WIGAN is if wigan stay up and celtic DON'T qualify for the champions league group stages!

and will he go to EVERTON without champions league games with them?
Champions League will be crucial for next season, no doubt about it. If we don't qualify then several players will leave. Whether Lennon does leave as well, remains to be seen.
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Old 13-05-2013, 09:34
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i think the only way lennon will quite celtic for WIGAN is if wigan stay up and celtic DON'T qualify for the champions league group stages!

and will he go to EVERTON without champions league games with them?
Neil Lennon will not be joining Wigan.
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Old 13-05-2013, 16:20
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Let me ask you a question What did Walter Smith do to merit a move down south? Just remind me of the strength of Celtic during 9 in a row as well as Walter Smith's embarrassing record in the CL?

So overturning a 15 point deficit last season (and no administration does not get your joke of a manger off the hook) was nothing?

Ha ha Celtic beat Barcelona and now its not worth that much as they are a shadow of the Barca of old. The same Barcelona that reached the semi final of the CL this season and won La Liga comfortably but Celtic should be expecting to beat them. Celtic got out of a tough group which had a strong Barca and a strong Benfica, like it or not you cannot downplay that achievement although you try.
Yeah we know but I still think Lennon's a mediocre manager....

And Walter Smith didn't give a toss about the CL in the early to mid 90's, the fans back then demanded league titles...

Back then it was like beat Celtic & everyone's happy.

Edit: But when he came back the climate had totally changed, they wanted results in Europe & he got them to the Uefa Cup final by playing extreme anti football tactics....
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Old 13-05-2013, 16:28
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Fallon, Megginson, Hughes, Milsom, Naysmith and Osbourne all to leave Aberdeen in the summer.
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Old 13-05-2013, 16:46
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he got them to the Uefa Cup final by playing extreme anti football tactics....
So did 'St Martin', 10 yrs ago this week,but we done it with a little flair. not like Waldo, along with 150th fanz & not one arrest !
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Old 13-05-2013, 16:51
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So did 'St Martin', 10 yrs ago this week, along with 150th fanz & not one arrest !
But to be fair, Smith had to do it with terrible Scottish players & so he had to play this very bizarre system, which even had Messi frustrated...

So bad that Barca hardly created chances even at home

Because like I said, the climate had changed & fans wanted the embarrassing results in Europe to stop...
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Old 13-05-2013, 16:59
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Yeah we know but I still think Lennon's a mediocre manager....

And Walter Smith didn't give a toss about the CL in the early to mid 90's, the fans back then demanded league titles...
Back then it was like beat Celtic & everyone's happy.

Edit: But when he came back the climate had totally changed, they wanted results in Europe & he got them to the Uefa Cup final by playing extreme anti football tactics....


Were you even old enough to understand why Rangers were signing players like Basile Boli, Brian Laudrup and Paul Gascoigne?
It certainly wasn't to beat a Celtic team with stars like an over the hill Charlie Nick, Andy Walker, and Wayne Biggins!!

Walter may not have had a clue about Europe but don't kid yourself that his job wasn't to win a european trophy. There's no way the mint spent all that money (well we now know it was other peoples money) to win a weak Scottish league.
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Old 13-05-2013, 17:05
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Were you even old enough to understand why Rangers were signing players like Basile Boli, Brian Laudrup and Paul Gascoigne?
It certainly wasn't to beat a Celtic team with stars like an over the hill Charlie Nick, Andy Walker, and Wayne Biggins!!

Walter may not have had a clue about Europe but don't kid yourself that his job wasn't to win a european trophy. There's no way the mint spent all that money (well we now know it was other peoples money) to win a weak Scottish league.
M8 I remember... Most of the fans only cared about beating Celtic & it use to annoy me, Walter would even have them boozing & whatnot after the games... It was ridiculous...

You would see them in photo's in the newspaper completely out of their faces....

That era was long gone by the time he came back & you could clearly see that he cared more about Europe....

Every time he was humiliated in Europe, not a peep from fans, he's beating Celtic in the league.... Different climate when he came back though....
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Old 13-05-2013, 17:17
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The reality was Walter Smith was just not cut out for Top level European football!!
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Old 13-05-2013, 17:19
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Fallon, Megginson, Hughes, Milsom, Naysmith and Osbourne all to leave Aberdeen in the summer.
To lower league English football I assume
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Old 13-05-2013, 17:22
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The reality was Walter Smith was just not cut out for Top level European football!!
Yeah but when he really tries, I think he has more substance than Neil Lennon....

For example. if Rangers were still up there & he was manager he would have Rangers being the dominant force again...
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Old 13-05-2013, 17:44
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And to say that he isn't good enough for top flight football.... I dunno about that...

You mustn't just go by reputation all the time.

Most of the time, yes, but not all the time.
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Old 13-05-2013, 18:10
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Stuart McCall wins SPL manager of the year award. Thoroughly deserved & I think both Adams & Butcher would've been deserving of the award too

Leigh Griffiths wins player of the season
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Old 13-05-2013, 19:03
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Stuart McCall wins SPL manager of the year award. Thoroughly deserved
You think so ?

I just hope he remembers to come out the drivers door, & not the sun roof, like the last time he won something !
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Old 13-05-2013, 19:39
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And Walter Smith didn't give a toss about the CL in the early to mid 90's,


Absolute bollocks but hysterically funny.

So bad that Barca hardly created chances even at home
Just the 15 shots they had that night with 11 on target.

http://www.uefa.com/uefachampionslea...ort/index.html

A quote from the UEFA website

Only a night to remember from Rangers goalkeeper Allan McGregor kept the scoreline to a minimum
I just hope he remembers to come out the drivers door, & not the sun roof, like the last time he won something !
That video is brilliant.
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Old 13-05-2013, 19:59
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Absolute bollocks but hysterically funny.



Just the 15 shots they had that night with 11 on target.

http://www.uefa.com/uefachampionslea...ort/index.html

A quote from the UEFA website





That video is brilliant.
How many of those were clear cut chances though? Were they easy made chances?

G back & watch those games & you'll see frustration all over Barca faces...

Honestly, you couldn't see that he put A LOT more emphasis on Europe when he came back to Rangers? To me it was so blatantly obvious....

Dunno what Rangers you've been watching... those days of boozing & whatnot were over, players clearly looked "fitter" & his tactics were better.
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Old 13-05-2013, 19:59
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Scotland finished fifth in fair play table so no extra Europa spot
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Old 13-05-2013, 20:06
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lennons achievments were so great he got manager of year ....oh wait no he didnt.... no suprise there

well done to McCall ,
and to griffiths and wanayama on their awards

all deserved imo

what can you bring up about rangers in reply to this post lads?
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Old 13-05-2013, 20:12
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lennons achievments were so great he got manager of year ....oh wait no he didnt.... no suprise there

well done to McCall ,
and to griffiths and wanayama on their awards

all deserved imo

what can you bring up about rangers in reply to this post lads?
Lennon won football writers manager of the year.

Epic fail.
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Old 13-05-2013, 20:14
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How many of those were clear cut chances though? Were they easy made chances?

G back & watch those games & you'll see frustration all over Barca faces...

Honestly, you couldn't see that he put A LOT more emphasis on Europe when he came back to Rangers? To me it was so blatantly obvious....

Dunno what Rangers you've been watching... those days of boozing & whatnot were over, players clearly looked "fitter" & his tactics were better.
As TommyNooka so rightly pointed out earlier Rangers weren't paying £2m for Boli, £4.3m for Gascoigne, £2.3m for Laudrup, £4m for Duncan Ferguson and the other fees they were paying in order to just win the Scottish Premier Division. They, and the other players that were bought, were purchased in order to try and make Rangers a European force but it simply never happened.

Have you got a link for the highlights of the away match where you claim Barca never created many decent chances?
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Old 13-05-2013, 20:17
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Throwing stats at me was a little stupid

I'm sure Bayern had a STAGGERING amount of those stats in their favour against Chelsea...

But when I think back... don't recall that many clear cut chances for Bayern... Do you?
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Old 13-05-2013, 20:19
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As TommyNooka so rightly pointed out earlier Rangers weren't paying £2m for Boli, £4.3m for Gascoigne, £2.3m for Laudrup, £4m for Duncan Ferguson and the other fees they were paying in order to just win the Scottish Premier Division. They, and the other players were purchased in order to try and make Rangers a European force but it simply never happened.

Have you got a link for the highlights of the away match where you claim Barca never created many decent chances?
Yep. Murray and there fans were desperate to get the cup that Celtic have won and were spending plenty to try and make it happen. Problem was they had a manager who was so far out of his depth in European football and they couldnt even get out of the group.

Dunno what Rangers you've been watching... those days of boozing & whatnot were over, players clearly looked "fitter" & his tactics were better.
You mean 4-5-1 defending for 90 mins. Great tactics. Plenty of managers can set up a side with the aim of not getting beat and to simply just defend.
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Old 13-05-2013, 20:25
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Yep. Murray and there fans were desperate to get the cup that Celtic have won and were spending plenty to try and make it happen. Problem was they had a manager who was so far out of his depth in European football and they couldnt even get out of the group.



You mean 4-5-1 defending for 90 mins. Great tactics. Plenty of managers can set up a side with the aim of not getting beat and to simply just defend.
Yeah Messi said something like that...

But to Walter it was mission accomplished
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Old 13-05-2013, 20:26
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Throwing stats at me was a little stupid

I'm sure Bayern had a STAGGERING amount of those stats in their favour against Chelsea...

But when I think back... don't recall that many clear cut chances for Bayern... Do you?
I'm asking you to prove me wrong. You say that Barca never had many decent chances, the UEFA website says that only a great performance from McGregor stopped Rangers getting a hiding.

As for the CL final last season I don't really remember much of it. Was at the cup final the same day then helping drown the sorrows of a Hibee pal.
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Old 13-05-2013, 20:56
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Yep. Murray and there fans were desperate to get the cup that Celtic have won and were spending plenty to try and make it happen. Problem was they had a manager who was so far out of his depth in European football and they couldnt even get out of the group.
Europe meant so much more to the Cardigan the second time round that in in the 2006/7 they won 1 out of 4 European matches, in 2007/8 they won 7 out of 19 matches, in 2008/9 they won 0 out of 2 matches, in 2009/10 they won 0 out of 6 matches and in 2010/11 they won 1 out of 10 matches.

9 matches out of 41, a win percentage of 21.9%.
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