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Scottish Fitba Thread (Part 21)
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grps3
28-02-2013
charles green statement

Quote:
““On behalf of the board of directors at Rangers, I note the findings of the Commission. It is abundantly clear from the ruling there was no attempt by Rangers Football Club secure any unfair advantage or to cheat, as so many people asserted without giving any regard to the actual evidence.
“I would re-iterate that at no stage have I, nor anyone now involved in the running of this club, questioned the integrity of the Commission members. What I did question was the creation of a process which some people had predetermined. Every Rangers fan will be delighted that the Commission refused to get carried away on this agenda.
“It is a matter of fact that people within the SPL wanted me, at first, to surrender titles as part of a deal to enable Rangers to play again as a member of the SFA. I rejected and resisted that suggestion and today’s decision vindicates the position of the Board and the supporters. In particular, I would like to thank the Rangers Fans Fighting Fund for their dedication and commitment on this matter.
“It is fair to say that there was, at one stage, a very unhealthy desire to press on with an investigation into this matter when cool heads and clear thinking was required. Instead, there was a frenzied atmosphere around Rangers caused by the Club’s insolvency situation.
"This issue could have and should have been dealt with by the board of the SPL rather than embarking on an unnecessarily grand and expensive process. At the end of the day I am left with the impression that this has been much ado about very little and a great waste of energy, time and money.
I think I speak for all Rangers fans in saying now, enough is enough. I have said before and will say again it is time everyone moved on. There are considerable challenges ahead for this club and Scottish football as a whole.
"That is where all efforts and energy should now be focused. We, as a club, will work with all parties who have the good of the game at heart. We are looking forward and I urge all Rangers fans to do likewise. We are rebuilding this Club and are making great strides. The dark days are over and it is time now for all to embrace our ambition for a brighter future.”
Manager Ally McCoist said: “I am delighted in many ways by the decision today. As a former player, I know how hard it is to achieve success on the pitch and the suggestion that somehow Rangers sought to gain unfair advantage was deeply insulting to me and others who had worn the Rangers jersey with immense pride.
“I found the whole approach to this matter by the SPL utterly bizarre and misguided.
“Our fans will take great heart from this and hopefully now – after all that we have been through – there will be a widespread realisation that it is time to move on. Rangers have a huge amount to offer Scottish football and we have always been more than willing to do our bit for the good of the game.””

http://www.rangers.co.uk/news/headli...sion-statement
TommyNooka
28-02-2013
Originally Posted by grps3:
“charles green statement

Quote:
“On behalf of the board of directors at Rangers, I note the findings of the Commission. It is abundantly clear from the ruling there was no attempt by Rangers Football Club secure any unfair advantage or to cheat, as so many people asserted without giving any regard to the actual evidence.
“I would re-iterate that at no stage have I, nor anyone now involved in the running of this club, questioned the integrity of the Commission members. What I did question was the creation of a process which some people had predetermined. Every Rangers fan will be delighted that the Commission refused to get carried away on this agenda.
“It is a matter of fact that people within the SPL wanted me, at first, to surrender titles as part of a deal to enable Rangers to play again as a member of the SFA. I rejected and resisted that suggestion and today’s decision vindicates the position of the Board and the supporters. In particular, I would like to thank the Rangers Fans Fighting Fund for their dedication and commitment on this matter.
“It is fair to say that there was, at one stage, a very unhealthy desire to press on with an investigation into this matter when cool heads and clear thinking was required. Instead, there was a frenzied atmosphere around Rangers caused by the Club’s insolvency situation.
"This issue could have and should have been dealt with by the board of the SPL rather than embarking on an unnecessarily grand and expensive process. At the end of the day I am left with the impression that this has been much ado about very little and a great waste of energy, time and money.
I think I speak for all Rangers fans in saying now, enough is enough. I have said before and will say again it is time everyone moved on. There are considerable challenges ahead for this club and Scottish football as a whole.
"That is where all efforts and energy should now be focused. We, as a club, will work with all parties who have the good of the game at heart. We are looking forward and I urge all Rangers fans to do likewise. We are rebuilding this Club and are making great strides. The dark days are over and it is time now for all to embrace our ambition for a brighter future.”
Manager Ally McCoist said: “I am delighted in many ways by the decision today. As a former player, I know how hard it is to achieve success on the pitch and the suggestion that somehow Rangers sought to gain unfair advantage was deeply insulting to me and others who had worn the Rangers jersey with immense pride.
“I found the whole approach to this matter by the SPL utterly bizarre and misguided.
“Our fans will take great heart from this and hopefully now – after all that we have been through – there will be a widespread realisation that it is time to move on. Rangers have a huge amount to offer Scottish football and we have always been more than willing to do our bit for the good of the game.”



http://www.rangers.co.uk/news/headli...sion-statement”

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bhoy07
28-02-2013
This issue could have indeed be sorted sooner, had Rangers bothered to cooperate fully with the SPL from Day 1.
grps3
28-02-2013
Originally Posted by bhoy07:
“This issue could have indeed be sorted sooner, had Rangers bothered to cooperate fully with the SPL from Day 1.”

they did

all payments were in the accounts

if the spl reviewed them properly .....
TommyNooka
28-02-2013
Originally Posted by bhoy07:
“This issue could have indeed be sorted sooner, had Rangers bothered to cooperate fully with the SPL from Day 1.”

To be perfectly honest I'm not sure the result would have been the same had the inquiry started while Oldco could still be punished effectively.
I'm inclined to believe the whole whitewash of this incident has come about due to Rangers committing Hari-kari, perhaps they were advised that this would be the best way of slithering out of the s**t smelling of roses?...or maybe not!
glasgow67
28-02-2013
Celtic should send out a team of supporters in a League game this season and call it an administrative error and see what happens.

Then the following week we should play the back-room staff in a game Lennon, Mjallby, McGrain, Parker, Woods etc.

10 years of cheating met by a £250k fine that a Dead Club cant pay lol
crofter
28-02-2013
Originally Posted by glasgow67:
“Celtic should send out a team of supporters in a League game this season and call it an administrative error and see what happens.

Then the following week we should play the back-room staff in a game Lennon, Mjallby, McGrain, Parker, Woods etc.

10 years of cheating met by a £250k fine that a Dead Club cant pay lol”

As long as they are registered by the SPL they can do that ... can't be any worse than that set of wallopers erm sorry superstars you fielded last night.

I find it quite amusing that even when Rangers win they actually are guilty (according to disillusioned Sellick fans). If that is the case why are "we" happy with the decision and "you guys" perma-raging with the decision (yet again).
glasgow67
28-02-2013
Originally Posted by crofter:
“As long as they are registered by the SPL they can do that ... can't be any worse than that set of wallopers erm sorry superstars you fielded last night.

I find it quite amusing that even when Rangers win they actually are guilty (according to disillusioned Sellick fans). If that is the case why are "we" happy with the decision and "you guys" perma-raging with the decision (yet again).”

Being found guilty and fined is not a win, its a punishment for cheating albeit a terrible and insufficient punishment by William Smith.

If you read the SPL rules they werent properly registered, to be properly registered you have to have all payments to players filed in their contracts. Hence the fine for "irregular payments" aka improperly registering players .

Cheats then. Sevco now. Cheats forever.

The only reason titles werent stripped is William Smith concluded that there was no sporting advantage.... of saving £15million+ in tax and national insurance enabling a Club to sign and pay better players than they could afford.
TommyNooka
28-02-2013
Originally Posted by crofter:
“As long as they are registered by the SPL they can do that ... can't be any worse than that set of wallopers erm sorry superstars you fielded last night.

I find it quite amusing that even when Rangers win they actually are guilty (according to disillusioned Sellick fans). If that is the case why are "we" happy with the decision and "you guys" perma-raging with the decision (yet again).”

Rangers are absolutely guilty, of that there is no question, unless innocent parties are usually issued with a fine!

The problem most people have with the decision is exactly WHAT Rangers have been found guilty of. In a spectacular example of legal people doing what legal people do, they have admitted that Rangers had incorrectly registered the players but because there is no specific rule in the 'SPL handbook' stating that registrations can be revoked retrospectively they've come to the conclusion that the ineligible players were in fact eligible hence the pointless fine for an 'administrative error'. (That's my current interpretation anyway)

Lawyers and judges doing what they do best, fudging the facts.
It's obviously taken them quite a while to come up with this this one though!
glasgow67
28-02-2013
Also id like to point out, they werent stripped of titles but were fined.

Conclusive proof for any Sevconians that Sevco aren't Rangers and have won heehaw because how could you have stripped Rangers of trophies if Sevco had them?

Either Sevco would have faced possible title stripping or been fined or as we know Sevco were nothing to do with it as only Rangers have ever played in the SPL and may they Rest in Peace, its a shame they weren't here to pay their fine.
SilvioDante
28-02-2013
pedrok
28-02-2013
I would say that I am shocked by this LNS result, but, actually, I'm not.

However, the one thing we should all take away from it is, that the dead Rangers cheated.

Us 'paranoid' Celtic fans were right all along.
Uriah
28-02-2013
I' m not shocked either, Scottish football is corrupt to the core. However, as always, everyone just has to accept it and get on with it.

Abysmal decision
bhoy07
28-02-2013
UEFA and FIFA have rules that retrospectively revokes player registration - see Sion for details.

Players were registered with the Swiss FA.

In effect the evidence given by the SFA has saved Rangers FC from a hefty punishment.
bhoy07
28-02-2013
David Murray criticising the commissions findings
bhoy07
28-02-2013
Livingston sack their manager so it appears John Collins decides to quit in disgust at the decision.
jenzie
28-02-2013
hang on

where did the INELIGABLE PLAYERS issue come from???

was this due to having "duel contracts" or what
bhoy07
28-02-2013
Originally Posted by jenzie:
“hang on

where did the INELIGABLE PLAYERS issue come from???

was this due to having "duel contracts" or what”

Yes, the players were not properly registered (now fact), but the rules don't allow player registrations to be retrospectively revoked so they are eligible.
grps3
28-02-2013
Quote:
(5) Although the payments in this case were not themselves irregular and were not in breach of SPL or SFA Rules, the scale and extent of the proven contraventions of the disclosure rules require a substantial penalty to be imposed;
Quote:
(6) Rangers FC did not gain any unfair competitive advantage from the contraventions of the SPL Rules in failing to make proper disclosure of the side-letter arrangements, nor did the non-disclosure have the effect that any of the registered players were ineligible to play, and for this and other reasons no sporting sanction or penalty should be imposed upon Rangers FC;
Quote:
7) As noted in the Commission's earlier decision made on 12 September 2012 there is no allegation that the current owner and operator of the club, The Rangers Football Club Limited ("Newco"), contravened the SPL Rules or could be held responsible for any breach by Oldco;
In all the circumstances the Commission has imposed a fine of £250,000 on Oldco

commision findings....posted again

read them, posted on the last page , so dry your eyes and listen to Ally....move on

did spl accounts get released yet?
bhoy07
28-02-2013
Originally Posted by grps3:
“Quote:
(5) Although the payments in this case were not themselves irregular and were not in breach of SPL or SFA Rules, the scale and extent of the proven contraventions of the disclosure rules require a substantial penalty to be imposed;
Quote:
(6) Rangers FC did not gain any unfair competitive advantage from the contraventions of the SPL Rules in failing to make proper disclosure of the side-letter arrangements, nor did the non-disclosure have the effect that any of the registered players were ineligible to play, and for this and other reasons no sporting sanction or penalty should be imposed upon Rangers FC;
Quote:
7) As noted in the Commission's earlier decision made on 12 September 2012 there is no allegation that the current owner and operator of the club, The Rangers Football Club Limited ("Newco"), contravened the SPL Rules or could be held responsible for any breach by Oldco;
In all the circumstances the Commission has imposed a fine of £250,000 on Oldco

commision findings....posted again

read them, posted on the last page , so dry your eyes and listen to Ally....move on

did spl accounts get released yet?”

Care to post the rules LNS says you breached?

SPL accounts have been audited and filed with companies house.
bigluke1970
28-02-2013
John Collins and Gareth Evans fcould go to Hearts. Wonder what odds a bookie would offer for that? 5 to one maybe.
grps3
28-02-2013
Originally Posted by bhoy07:
“Care to post the rules LNS says you breached?

SPL accounts have been audited and filed with companies house.”

OLDCO breached
they practically do not exist anymore and has nothing to with my football club
grps3
28-02-2013
all this doesnt even belong in here

oldco does not play scottish football
TrebleKing
28-02-2013
I see the tims are beelin' as per usual. Nothing changes.....

Roon ye, timbo.
Mark.
28-02-2013
Originally Posted by grps3:
“OLDCO breached
they practically do not exist anymore and has nothing to with my football club ”

It's funny how The Rangers fans pick and choose.

The titles and history, yea we'll keep that; the shame, debts and fines...nah, they can go.
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