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Old 03-04-2013, 15:21
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A throwaway quote in a newspaper isn't evidence.

Clearly being picked up by a microphone is.
A throwaway quote! Goodwin has admitted it.

If managers and players are going to be charged with swearing at football games, then fine. Just make sure everyone who swears is charged.
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Old 03-04-2013, 16:49
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That link tells us nothing.

I asked yesterday, and it wasn't answered, so I'll ask again.

Who was the history bought from?
That is covered in the link above - it might be too painful for you to listen to but I suggest you at least give it a go.
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Old 03-04-2013, 17:08
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That is covered in the link above - it might be too painful for you to listen to but I suggest you at least give it a go.
No it isn't. From whom was the history bought?
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Old 03-04-2013, 17:40
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No it isn't. From whom was the history bought?
This technically comes down to what is termed history

When a club wins a trophy it is a tangible object, that belongs to the owners of the club that won it, making it an asset

it holds no monetary value as such other than base material I suppose but it would remain a tangible asset

The combined trophies, awards, bits and pieces won by the club are owned by the company who own the club

when a company buys a club they buy those assets

it's not difficult to understand, just hard for some

Rangers spent the best part of 30 years as a club before coming under the umbrella of a company, that company has now changed but like those 30 years pre-oldco they are still the same club

again, not difficult, just hard
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Old 03-04-2013, 18:29
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This technically comes down to what is termed history

When a club wins a trophy it is a tangible object, that belongs to the owners of the club that won it, making it an asset

it holds no monetary value as such other than base material I suppose but it would remain a tangible asset

The combined trophies, awards, bits and pieces won by the club are owned by the company who own the club

when a company buys a club they buy those assets

it's not difficult to understand, just hard for some

Rangers spent the best part of 30 years as a club before coming under the umbrella of a company, that company has now changed but like those 30 years pre-oldco they are still the same club

again, not difficult, just hard
yeah well, if people don't know by now, don't bother asking it again!

it's DONE
they ARE
it's OVER

absolutely no point in asking the same questions over and over and over, without getting any answers THEY want to hear, and some on here are just plain ignorant
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Old 03-04-2013, 18:33
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No it isn't. From whom was the history bought?
It is - listen to the link.
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Old 03-04-2013, 18:36
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It is - listen to the link.
change the record!
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Old 03-04-2013, 18:42
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Rangers spent the best part of 30 years as a club before coming under the umbrella of a company, that company has now changed but like those 30 years pre-oldco they are still the same club
Wrong.

Every football club has always been a company. That's what's meant by the "est. xxxx" on a lot of crests.

People keep thinking there's some distinction to be made between "club" and "company". There's not; the word "club" just describes what the company does.
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Old 03-04-2013, 19:18
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Sandaza has been sacked.
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Old 03-04-2013, 19:34
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Wrong.

Every football club has always been a company. That's what's meant by the "est. xxxx" on a lot of crests.

People keep thinking there's some distinction to be made between "club" and "company". There's not; the word "club" just describes what the company does.
When Rangers fans bought shares in the deadclub pre 2012 what did they buy shares in?

A holding company or a football club?
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Old 03-04-2013, 19:35
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Sandaza has been sacked.
Another big earner off the wage bill then.....
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Old 03-04-2013, 19:41
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Does anyone know if Kenny Shiels has a drink problem? - saying James Dayton is good enough to play for England.

We're not that bad.
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Old 03-04-2013, 19:41
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This technically comes down to what is termed history

When a club wins a trophy it is a tangible object, that belongs to the owners of the club that won it, making it an asset

it holds no monetary value as such other than base material I suppose but it would remain a tangible asset

The combined trophies, awards, bits and pieces won by the club are owned by the company who own the club

when a company buys a club they buy those assets

it's not difficult to understand, just hard for some

Rangers spent the best part of 30 years as a club before coming under the umbrella of a company, that company has now changed but like those 30 years pre-oldco they are still the same club

again, not difficult, just hard
Jeez, what utter nonsense.

It seems that after all this time Rangers were nothing more than a works team!!!

The club is the company, the company is the club. As has been pointed out elsewhere, when Alistair Johnstone was presenting the financial results a couple of seasons ago he delivered them in the name of the club, not the company.

This club and company nonsense has been introduced to muddy the waters enough to suggest that the club that was formed in 1872 still exists, it doesn't, it died.

And even if you were correct, it appears that it is the company that owns all those trophies, a company owned by Mr Green amongst others. Therefore Green can take that history where ever he wishes, and this new club therefore cannot claim 54 league titles!
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Old 03-04-2013, 19:42
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Sandaza has been sacked.
Pretty disgraceful from that club. Hope Tommy is pleased with himself!
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Old 03-04-2013, 19:54
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Sandaza would win a tribunal easily.

This is just a good excuse to get him off the wage bill.
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Old 03-04-2013, 20:03
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When Rangers fans bought shares in the deadclub pre 2012 what did they buy shares in?

A holding company or a football club?
And who paid the wages of all the players that won the trophies and titles?
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Old 03-04-2013, 20:15
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And who paid the wages of all the players that won the trophies and titles?
Who were the contracts with? The 'football club' or the 'company'?

It is so obviously bullshit.
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Old 03-04-2013, 20:33
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Jeez, what utter nonsense.

It seems that after all this time Rangers were nothing more than a works team!!!

The club is the company, the company is the club. As has been pointed out elsewhere, when Alistair Johnstone was presenting the financial results a couple of seasons ago he delivered them in the name of the club, not the company.

This club and company nonsense has been introduced to muddy the waters enough to suggest that the club that was formed in 1872 still exists, it doesn't, it died.

And even if you were correct, it appears that it is the company that owns all those trophies, a company owned by Mr Green amongst others. Therefore Green can take that history where ever he wishes, and this new club therefore cannot claim 54 league titles!
The club and the company are quite clearly different, oldco date back to 1899, the club date back to 1872, the club that formed then either ceased to exist over a century ago or it continues under different owners, and since we've only been going over this ad nauseum for the past year and not the past 100 I think it's safe to say everyone is in fair agreement about which one of those options is correct

As for what names have been used by people delivering information does it really matter,.people rarely call Hearts by their proper name, or ICT, QPR, Brighton, Wolves or the like, as for companies changing what about Wee Fungus and Celtic Football & Athletic Company Limited, did the almighty hoops cease to exist back then?

Of course it's the company that owns the trophies, it's the company that owns the club and therefore everything that the club entails, just like every other football club out there

that's just common sense

Where your point falls on it's arse is that no-one can take that history wherever they wish because it's not a separate thing, it goes with the rest of Rangers, nothing anyone can do about that, despite the hilarious attempts otherwise, the club will always be the club, it will always have those 54 league titles (+ the latest trophy, I can't be arsed getting into that particular semantic argument)
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Old 03-04-2013, 20:39
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Wrong.

Every football club has always been a company. That's what's meant by the "est. xxxx" on a lot of crests.

People keep thinking there's some distinction to be made between "club" and "company". There's not; the word "club" just describes what the company does.
Nonsense, again Rangers the club formed 30 years before Rangers the company

Celtic the club formed 9 years before Celtic the company

it's still 1872 and 1888 on the crests

Definition of club: An association dedicated to a particular interest or activity.

Definition of company: A commercial business


I know it's tough but let's take emotion/rivalry/banter out of the equation if that's at all possible (lol I know), we (the general football fan) always bang on about how football is all about money these days, well that's the difference between club and company, one is on the park, the other is not and there's still blue jerseys on the Ibrox park
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Old 03-04-2013, 20:43
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The club and the company are quite clearly different, oldco date back to 1899, the club date back to 1872, the club that formed then either ceased to exist over a century ago or it continues under different owners, and since we've only been going over this ad nauseum for the past year and not the past 100 I think it's safe to say everyone is in fair agreement about which one of those options is correct

As for what names have been used by people delivering information does it really matter,.people rarely call Hearts by their proper name, or ICT, QPR, Brighton, Wolves or the like, as for companies changing what about Wee Fungus and Celtic Football & Athletic Company Limited, did the almighty hoops cease to exist back then?

Of course it's the company that owns the trophies, it's the company that owns the club and therefore everything that the club entails, just like every other football club out there

that's just common sense

Where your point falls on it's arse is that no-one can take that history wherever they wish because it's not a separate thing, it goes with the rest of Rangers, nothing anyone can do about that, despite the hilarious attempts otherwise, the club will always be the club, it will always have those 54 league titles (+ the latest trophy, I can't be arsed getting into that particular semantic argument)
The old club will always have those 54 league titles, however that old club died last year.

No one ever spoke of Murray buying the company that owns the club it was always the club that Murray bought.

Aye, wee fungus, well done. No idea what your point is about that.

This club/company stuff is utter nonsense, you know it is.
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Old 03-04-2013, 20:56
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The old club will always have those 54 league titles, however that old club died last year.

No one ever spoke of Murray buying the company that owns the club it was always the club that Murray bought.

Aye, wee fungus, well done. No idea what your point is about that.

This club/company stuff is utter nonsense, you know it is.
The club is alive and well, just won a league, sacked a striker and are preparing for a game on sunday

I seen them on saturday, was on their website a minute ago and will be watching them at the weekend again

A football club is not a company, that's specifically why they have holding companies that own them, it's not Rangers football club or Celtic football club that trades, it's the companies that run them because they are businesses

it's not hard to understand, it's as plain and simple as it possibly can be
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Old 03-04-2013, 21:01
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A football club is not a company, that's specifically why they have holding companies that own them,
Who did Rangers fans previously own shares in?
Who did Rangers players have contracts with?
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Old 03-04-2013, 21:04
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Who did Rangers fans previously own shares in?
Who did Rangers players have contracts with?
And when these top 20 richest clubs appear, and Rangers appeared in them, was it the club or the company that was mentioned?
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Old 03-04-2013, 21:05
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The club is alive and well, just won a league, sacked a striker and are preparing for a game on sunday

I seen them on saturday, was on their website a minute ago and will be watching them at the weekend again

A football club is not a company, that's specifically why they have holding companies that own them, it's not Rangers football club or Celtic football club that trades, it's the companies that run them because they are businesses

it's not hard to understand, it's as plain and simple as it possibly can be
A club is alive, whether it is well is another discussion. A club just won a league, sacked a striker and are preparing for a game on Sunday.

It is not the same club however, that club died.
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Old 03-04-2013, 21:08
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Jeez, what utter nonsense.

It seems that after all this time Rangers were nothing more than a works team!!!

The club is the company, the company is the club. As has been pointed out elsewhere, when Alistair Johnstone was presenting the financial results a couple of seasons ago he delivered them in the name of the club, not the company.

This club and company nonsense has been introduced to muddy the waters enough to suggest that the club that was formed in 1872 still exists, it doesn't, it died.

And even if you were correct, it appears that it is the company that owns all those trophies, a company owned by Mr Green amongst others. Therefore Green can take that history where ever he wishes, and this new club therefore cannot claim 54 league titles!
It's really quite simple. The history goes along with the rest of the club and was bought along with the rest of the club. It's not something separate.

All this fuss about something that supposedly no longer exists.
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