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Old 06-01-2013, 17:28
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Can you lovely people who've watched season 1 tell me if a noob can watch season 2 without having seen any of season 1? I'm sure this question has been asked before but I really don't want to go through the thread as I haven't tried to watch last night's episodes before.

I'm a late comer to this Scandi stuff. The Bridge converted me, thought the Killing 3 was great and I've heard lots of good things about Borgen.
I'm still going through Series 1 and it does help as you see the PM from the beginning and the changes that happen.
But then I think series 2 stands on it's own too.
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Old 06-01-2013, 17:36
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I'm still going through Series 1 and it does help as you see the PM from the beginning and the changes that happen.
But then I think series 2 stands on it's own too.
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I don't mind things going over my head, it's my own silly fault. I just don't want to get completely lost and have to give up in the few weeks.
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Old 06-01-2013, 18:52
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I forgot how gripping this show is.

It's great how action-packed it feels even without physical action.
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Old 06-01-2013, 19:03
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Thanks

I don't mind things going over my head, it's my own silly fault. I just don't want to get completely lost and have to give up in the few weeks.
One of the great things about Borgen is that although seeing it in sequence gives you insight into character development you can still enjoy any episode in isolation as the stories are relatively self-contained each week. So even if you miss one or two you can get back onboard at any time, and you can also watch series 2 without having seen series 1.

That would not really work for The Bridge or The Killing, where missing episodes spoils things.
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Old 06-01-2013, 19:08
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One of the great things about Borgen is that although seeing it in sequence gives you insight into character development you can still enjoy any episode in isolation as the stories are relatively self-contained each week.
Utterly agree.

Also, you can just get swept up in the sheer wonder of something different and classy.

2 hours uninterrupted escapism (including the midway pee break).
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Old 06-01-2013, 19:33
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As brilliant as Series 1.

But I miss Sanne
So do I but I couldn't for the life of me remember her name

Great to see how Denmark regards the EC in the same way as we do. Giving a failed politician a job as Commissioner, clearly not regarding that job as important.
A bit like how British PM treat the Northern Ireland Office as a dumping ground for awkward politicians

The titles of both episodes were excellent.

One of the names mentioned for commissioner was Troels but sadly not Hartmann.
Troels Höxenhaven, Justice Minister and deputy leader of the Labour party
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Old 06-01-2013, 20:13
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And loads of words are similar to English! There's a Dane on the Guardian series blogs for these shows who spends vast amounts of time educating us on the similarity of our languages e.g.

"Skal vi sende ham hjem nu?" = Shall we send him home now?

"Vi var her først" = We were here first

and there are lots more! He says that we just need to realise how similar so many of our every day words are to Danish words due to the Viking era - he put up a huge post with tons of details about it. The word order is generally far more similar between English and Danish than it is between Danish and German - Germans apparently often verbs at the end of sentences put whereas the Danish word order is pretty much like ours as you can see from the examples above.

I'm so used to hearing Danish in these shows now that I can detect the similarity myself at times.

I've noticed too that when Swedes and Norwegians say 'first' in their languages it sounds like how a Scot says 'first'.
Interesting, tlp - always enlightened posts from you!
Have noticed how many Scottish words are similar to Danish "born"(with that line through it) for children = bairn in Scots etc
hame? for home... etc. Have noticed quite a few examples!
Gosh, isn't this series FAB? Am glued to it already and I have never been remotely interested in Danish politics before!
I'm actually preferring it to TK3 at the moment!
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Old 06-01-2013, 20:33
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Including BBC HD

21:00 - 1.08m (4.5%)
22:00 - 852k (4.0%)

K
Well well well, I am very surprised that Borgen s2 eps 1 and 2 beat The Killing s3 eps 1 and 2

TK overnights =
e1:1.04m inc HD
e2: 784k inc HD

This looks very good and may even result in over a million viewers for the official figures for ep 2.
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Old 06-01-2013, 20:43
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I have seen both series and it is fantastic.

Sidse is a fantastic actress.
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Old 06-01-2013, 21:24
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I've seen both series and I'm not sure if I enjoyed the second one better than the first because I feel I know all the characters etc and that helps, or if it just is better. Either way, it's superb. All the main characters are really strong and even the minor characters are so well acted.
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Old 06-01-2013, 21:45
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Can anyone tell me how 'Sidse' is pronounced? All this Scandi-noir leaves me sceptical that you say 'Sid-sy'.
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Old 06-01-2013, 23:00
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Just watched the last 5 episodes of Series 1 - I'm up to date now
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Old 06-01-2013, 23:19
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Can anyone tell me how 'Sidse' is pronounced? All this Scandi-noir leaves me sceptical that you say 'Sid-sy'.
One of the newspaper reports I read the other day said it's 'Sis-uh'/'Siz-uh'. It's probably not exactly like that but most likely near enough - they pretty much wouldn't say the hard 'd' sound. The Danes seem to leave out sounds all over the place.
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Old 06-01-2013, 23:25
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Interesting, tlp - always enlightened posts from you!
Have noticed how many Scottish words are similar to Danish "born"(with that line through it) for children = bairn in Scots etc
hame? for home... etc. Have noticed quite a few examples!
Gosh, isn't this series FAB? Am glued to it already and I have never been remotely interested in Danish politics before!
I'm actually preferring it to TK3 at the moment!
Thanks - just the messenger in this instance really though. And yes, the 'bairns'/'børn' thing is another similarity.
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Old 07-01-2013, 00:07
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A comedy villain and an unhealthy Jim Royle-a-like waiting to fall off his perch? Too obvious!

The Kristen/Karen blooper by Casper was an ouchy for me though.
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Old 07-01-2013, 00:55
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I was mildly disappointed by the opening to series 2. Hanne and Kasper seem to have had a character transplant. Series 1 Kasper would never have said someone was too cynical and has ended up moving in with the sort of person he derided Katrine for dating last series. The plot line with Kruse was also leaden and obvious.
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Old 07-01-2013, 03:20
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Can anyone tell me how 'Sidse' is pronounced? All this Scandi-noir leaves me sceptical that you say 'Sid-sy'.
http://translate.google.co.uk/#auto/en/sidse

Press the speaker symbol in the Danish part to hear the pronunciation.

Really enjoyed these openers. Is Lotte pregnant? From some angles she looked to have a bulge in the tum.

No vest action from Philip.

What was Birgitte's daughter up to? Did she really borrow her mate's skates or was she up to no good. Hedgehog feeding perchance?

I think Theis is the murderer. He'll finish Bent off in the hospital.

The financial crisis must have hit Denmark really hard. Air Force One was a little underwhelming.
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Old 07-01-2013, 03:59
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We get a name for the barnepige in this series - Anne. Bet she rides a bike.

Kasper still carrying on with the France pretence. Presumably Katrine is the only one who knows the real story there? ie Birgitte doesn't know about his evil dad?

Still hoping Sanne will come back. But I'm fearing the old battleaxe aide Jytte is a permanent fixture now.
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Old 07-01-2013, 08:42
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Hail Sidse!
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Old 07-01-2013, 09:43
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Thanks, Inkblot and LostProphet. So it's 'Seeza Baybett Knoosen'. Excellent. I do enjoy learning these things.
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Old 07-01-2013, 12:49
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I forgot how gripping this show is.

It's great how action-packed it feels even without physical action.
100% agree with this.


Also love it when they start speaking english... kinda sexy accent too!
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Old 07-01-2013, 12:50
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Can anyone tell me how 'Sidse' is pronounced? All this Scandi-noir leaves me sceptical that you say 'Sid-sy'.
In this article (which has a great interview with Sidse Babett Knudsen):

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-en...internalSearch

she says it's pronounced Sissay (like the footballer Pappiss Cissé.
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Old 07-01-2013, 12:53
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Series 1 Kasper would never have said someone was too cynical and has ended up moving in with the sort of person he derided Katrine for dating last series.
Why would Kasper never say that? How is Lotte like a fitness instructor?
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Old 07-01-2013, 14:06
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But YOUR OWN title of this thread quite clearly reads...NO SPOILERS ALLOWED

It is sad that UK viewers who have seen the series cannot keep quiet about future episodes, unlike Danish contributors to this and the various Scandinavian series' Guardian blogs.
Sorry, I wasn't thinking

I've asked the mods to remove the offending post
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Old 07-01-2013, 14:25
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At least it was in a spoiler tag, you don't have to read it!
No harm done
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