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Old 01-01-2013, 18:00
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Okay so back to the Dream lord episode at we have the Psychic Pollen getting in to the Tardis and bringing the doctors dark side out, The Psychic snow seems to be quite similar and with the Doctor even thinking it is just a projection of the guys subconsciousness which it initially was until something stronger took over. I think I remember some of the Pollen being left on the Tardis.. So there are a lot of holes here but could the Great Intelligence but the dream lord trying to gain corporeality? First with the pollen in the Tardis then with the snow. My guess since it seems like the doctor stuck around that time for quite awhile is he arrived about the same time as the snow gain a voice.
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Old 01-01-2013, 19:14
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The Great Intelligence is a formless being whose main aim is to gain a permanent physical body. It is thought to be related to the Nestene Consciousness, and comes from before the beginning of this universe -- (see the tardis wikia for more info -- comes from non canon novels etc but is a much better theory.)

The living snow reflected Simeon's thoughts. The Intelligence used this to latch onto Simeon's mind. If it had not done so, the Intelligence would have nothing to do with the snow.

There's a lot of fans linking stuff in to random villains etc returning these days. Is the Dream Lord the new series equivalent of the Rani in this way?

I love the Dream Lord, but think one memorable appearance is enough. Look at the Zygons, still remembered after 1 appearance
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Old 01-01-2013, 20:58
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Is it possible the Dream Lord could return and become the Valeyard??
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Old 01-01-2013, 22:19
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I think people look too far into stand alone episodes like Amy's Choice... A stab in the dark is that The Great Intelligance already know the answer to the question OR they know the name of everyone in the universe apart from the Doctor, hence Doctor Who?
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Old 02-01-2013, 09:46
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How's this for a stab in the dark?

The Great Intelligence is ... "Prisoner 0"

The whole of Doctor Who had been an invention, a story told by Prisoner 0 in the mode of the story teller in Don Quixote, originally titled "The Ingenious Gentleman Don Quixote of La Mancha".

(Ingenious Gentleman = Clever Boy?)

Don Quixote, the story of a gallant Knight travelling around defending people, righting wrongs etc?

"Silence will fall when the oldest question in the Universe is asked"


A complete guess

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Old 02-01-2013, 10:25
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Just been playing some more ...

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Old 02-01-2013, 12:52
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The Great Intelligence is a formless being whose main aim is to gain a permanent physical body. It is thought to be related to the Nestene Consciousness, and comes from before the beginning of this universe -- (see the tardis wikia for more info -- comes from non canon novels etc but is a much better theory.)

The living snow reflected Simeon's thoughts. The Intelligence used this to latch onto Simeon's mind. If it had not done so, the Intelligence would have nothing to do with the snow.

There's a lot of fans linking stuff in to random villains etc returning these days. Is the Dream Lord the new series equivalent of the Rani in this way?

I love the Dream Lord, but think one memorable appearance is enough. Look at the Zygons, still remembered after 1 appearance
My suspicion (only my suggestion/speculation so I won't spoiler tag it) is the Great Intelligence is the Master in non-corporeal form. Their modus operandi seem very similar to me.
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Old 02-01-2013, 13:06
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How's this for a stab in the dark?

The Great Intelligence is ... "Prisoner 0"

The whole of Doctor Who had been an invention, a story told by Prisoner 0 in the mode of the story teller in Don Quixote, originally titled "The Ingenious Gentleman Don Quixote of La Mancha".

(Ingenious Gentleman = Clever Boy?)

Don Quixote, the story of a gallant Knight travelling around defending people, righting wrongs etc?

"Silence will fall when the oldest question in the Universe is asked"


A complete guess

Spoiler
I hope not
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Old 02-01-2013, 13:13
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I see in this appearance of the Great Intelligence only a nice nostalgic link to Season 5, explicitly telegraphed by Jenny and Vastra's sarky comments about how stupid it is to think it can take over the world with snowmen or that the London Underground is a tactical weakness. There's no real evidence of a link to any other entity in the revived series (although in early drafts of The Doctor's Wife script there were hints that House was the Great Intelligence).

Assuming the Intelligence is not a time traveller, this is probably the first time it meets the Doctor, whereas the Doctor last met the Intelligence so long ago in his timeline that he can hardly remember it.
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Old 02-01-2013, 13:39
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Old 02-01-2013, 13:43
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Anyone have a guess as to why the Doctor seemed to struggle to remember the Great Intelligence?
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Old 02-01-2013, 13:47
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Anyone have a guess as to why the Doctor seemed to struggle to remember the Great Intelligence?
because for him it was about 750 years ago?
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Old 02-01-2013, 13:53
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because for him it was about 750 years ago?
I did wonder if it was as simple as that.

But Moffat doesn't ever seem to put in anything for simple reasons so I did wonder if it was part of something greater . . the Doctor losing his marbles/memory and Oswin having something to do with the cure.
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Old 02-01-2013, 14:11
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The Great Intelligence is a formless being whose main aim is to gain a permanent physical body. It is thought to be related to the Nestene Consciousness, and comes from before the beginning of this universe -- (see the tardis wikia for more info -- comes from non canon novels etc but is a much better theory.)

The living snow reflected Simeon's thoughts. The Intelligence used this to latch onto Simeon's mind. If it had not done so, the Intelligence would have nothing to do with the snow.

There's a lot of fans linking stuff in to random villains etc returning these days. Is the Dream Lord the new series equivalent of the Rani in this way?

I love the Dream Lord, but think one memorable appearance is enough. Look at the Zygons, still remembered after 1 appearance
The Great Intelligence is in fact the Rani.

After all, it is an anagram for

Rani, tingle, glee, etc
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Old 02-01-2013, 16:31
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The Great Intelligence is a formless being whose main aim is to gain a permanent physical body. It is thought to be related to the Nestene Consciousness, and comes from before the beginning of this universe -- (see the tardis wikia for more info -- comes from non canon novels etc but is a much better theory.)

The living snow reflected Simeon's thoughts. The Intelligence used this to latch onto Simeon's mind. If it had not done so, the Intelligence would have nothing to do with the snow.

There's a lot of fans linking stuff in to random villains etc returning these days. Is the Dream Lord the new series equivalent of the Rani in this way?

I love the Dream Lord, but think one memorable appearance is enough. Look at the Zygons, still remembered after 1 appearance
For me, that is what The Great Intelligence is, this formless entity who roams around in space looking to invade using whatever methods it can. I don't see it being linked to any other villain especially from the New Series. It is what it is, don't see why it needs to be connected to anything else.

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Old 02-01-2013, 19:41
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So your saying the Great intelligence is Winston Churchill, Brilliant!
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Old 02-01-2013, 20:01
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The Great Intelligence could be a Librarian, a Professor or a Doctor, or possibly all three. Power of Three and all that.
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Old 03-01-2013, 02:26
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The Great Intelligence is a formless being whose main aim is to gain a permanent physical body.
Haven't seen any Classic Who since I was little so I might be wrong, but doesn't that make him Omega?
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Old 03-01-2013, 02:37
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Exactly.
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Old 03-01-2013, 23:20
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The Great Intelligence was the controlling force behind the 60s enemies The Yeti - I don't think there's anything more to it than that. It was a nice little nod to the past for fans, which as usual is being built into some much greater mystery. I don't think we'll be seeing it again in the forseeable future.
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Old 04-01-2013, 04:21
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I think the GI will be back.
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Old 08-01-2013, 11:32
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Why didn't Torchwood take an interest in the Great Intelligence and Dr Simeon's Institute and in Madame Vestra?

Last time the Doctor met the great Intelligence, it controlled Yeti and any presence of the Yeti ion the London Underground in 1967 would be a clear indication that the Great Intelligence is back and why UNIT was formed in the first place.
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Old 08-01-2013, 19:05
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The doctor inadvertently set up the premise for the second doctor serial 'the web of fear' by showing the great intelligence the map of the underground and saying it is a strategic weak point, hence its attempted invasion in 1967 with the yeti, the episode was what it was the first nod back to doctor who's past for the 50th anniversary
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