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Old 10-01-2013, 16:02
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Play the best at the format, Cook and Finn debuted early in Tests, they've done well, if we put in youngsters it should be ones that look good at the game they debut in.
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Exactly, see my post above, all the players I mentioned did wonderful in the format their were chosen in.
Yuvraj was a wonderful ODI players so was kept in that format, but was poor in the test format, so was never chosen in that format.

Raina and Kohli were good players in ODI, so were chosen in that format, Kohli is now trying to make is name in the test format.

Harbhajan singh was good in test, so was chosen in that format.
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Old 10-01-2013, 16:15
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Ahh yeah, Harby, burnt out by 29 so that worked well
well at least, India got 10 years out of him, and 400 wickets.
does anyone remember Partiv patel, I remember commentators calling him a baby, too bad I can't find any you tube videos, of him.
he still only 27, and he made his debut 11 years ago.
Miss the days when india would pick Young players, with huge potential.
incredible bumble thinks picking young players is new thing, been going on for ages in india, but it seem it has been stopped now.
always enjoyed watching teenagers making their debuts in international cricket, especially when their face fast bowlers.
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Old 10-01-2013, 18:28
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Kris srikkanth reckons india will win 4-1.
http://cricketnext.in.com/live/video...srikkanth.html

Crikey it does seem Bumble is underestimating this india bowling attack, hopefully he will be eating some humble pies soon.
@colintonkin have you seen India attack !!!! #runsrunsruns
Even though this attack is inexperienced it has more bowlers capable of taking wickets, then what india ODI sides normally contain, I even said that this attack is better then the one India had for the world cup win.
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Old 11-01-2013, 06:07
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does anyone else thing, condition and home advantage, is being made to be more important, then what media personnel think?
ever since england won against india in india, I tend to believe that the better team would win in all conditions.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/cri...tair-Cook.html
“Because it happened quite recently,” said Cook, “it will be a good marker for us, and it will be good to see whether we’re improving as players. If we can improve here it will help us in our next challenge as a one-day side where we move onto the ICC Champions Trophy and World Cup or whatever.”
You can understand Cook’s thinking, but will victory here really help those two campaigns he mentioned? The answer is in the negative. For the brutal, unspoken truth is that this tour has little or no context. Conditions are so different from elsewhere that the cricket played can have little relevance to that played in England, where the Champions Trophy will be held this summer, and Australia and New Zealand, where the next World Cup will be staged in 2015.
I just found the quote odd, cook is trying to say, they want to win the game, and the media personnel are not so keen.
if I remember correctly only 2 homes sides have ever won the world cup.
1996 in sri lanka ( game played in the subcontinent)
and 2011 in india.
and in the champions trophy,
2001 sri lanka and india shared the trophy.

so that only 3 team ever winning in home conditions, and that is being generous, since both of them don't technically count either.

I am really starting to believe that the best team would win in all conditions, I am not saying home advantage doesn't exist, it does, but not by the huge amounts people are thinking it does.
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Old 11-01-2013, 08:08
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Terrific start by England with both Cook and Bell passing 50
Interesting to se that Bell has retained his place at the top of the order with KP back in the team
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Old 11-01-2013, 08:25
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Terrific start by England with both Cook and Bell passing 50
Interesting to se that Bell has retained his place at the top of the order with KP back in the team
KP isn't playing ODIs in NZ so it makes sense to keep Bell Opening. Bell has been a revelation opening over the last few months.
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Old 11-01-2013, 09:43
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With our normal ODI attack England might be building a competitive total here but with an attack featuring Dernbach, Bresnan, Patel and Tredwell I can't imagine them defending anything south of 350. Looking like a comfortable win for India at this stage.

Edit: Good acceleration from Samit at the end there to be fair has given England half a chance. Still look at that bowling lineup though and don't see any good options outside of Finn.
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Old 11-01-2013, 10:00
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So India need 326 to win which with our attack is gettable. I've never seen Samit play like that before, a little gem of an innings at the end it must be said.
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Old 11-01-2013, 11:03
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India off to a flier, they'll get these runs in 40 overs at this rate.
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Old 11-01-2013, 11:06
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Wow very solid batting performance for once - Bell bang in form again, trouble is half our best bowlers are "resting" at home.
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Old 11-01-2013, 11:09
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Wow very solid batting performance for once - Bell bang in form again, trouble is half our best bowlers are "resting" at home.
Couldn't believe it when i saw the team............
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Old 11-01-2013, 11:10
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To be honest not sure having Anderson and Broad would make that much difference. Both of these players have proven that they are not that good in sub-continent conditons. If the likes of Ghambir, Kholi, Yuvraj , Dhoni click, Anderson and Broad wont make that much difference.

See India have reverted to a flat track, which would mean a high scoring game. India know there strength is the batting, so have prepared a pitch to their strengths.
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Old 11-01-2013, 11:15
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To be honest not sure having Anderson and Broad would make that much difference. Both of these players have proven that they are not that good in sub-continent conditons. If the likes of Ghambir, Kholi, Yuvraj , Dhoni click, Anderson and Broad wont make that much difference.

See India have reverted to a flat track, which would mean a high scoring game. India know there strength is the batting, so have prepared a pitch to their strengths.
FFS stop it with the Anderson can't bowl in sub-continenital conditions, it's not 5 years ago, he's proven you wrong again and again. Not really sure what Broad has done wrong in the sub-continent either, particularly in One-day cricket. The fact is Broad and Anderson would be better then we have, and Swann infinitely so. We may still have lost, but we'd have more chance.
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Old 11-01-2013, 11:16
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To be honest not sure having Anderson and Broad would make that much difference. Both of these players have proven that they are not that good in sub-continent conditons. If the likes of Ghambir, Kholi, Yuvraj , Dhoni click, Anderson and Broad wont make that much difference.

See India have reverted to a flat track, which would mean a high scoring game. India know there strength is the batting, so have prepared a pitch to their strengths.
Well swann was the main one I was thinking off, he's been off 3? weeks - this is a huge series how much rest does a spinner need?
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Old 11-01-2013, 11:18
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FFS stop it with the Anderson can't bowl in sub-continenital conditions, it's not 5 years ago, he's proven you wrong again and again. The fact is Broad and Anderson would be better then we have, and Swann infinitely so. We may still have lost, but we'd have more chance.
No he hasnt proven me wrong again and again. Even in the recent test series against India he was slightly above average, One good innings is what saved him from having a bad tour. Just look at his series figures and tell me if they are any good. His figures dont lie. In the world cup they werent much better.

I said nothing about Swann, Swann would improve the team. The other two not so much.
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Old 11-01-2013, 11:18
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Well swann was the main one I was thinking off, he's been off 3? weeks - this is a huge series how much rest does a spinner need?
He's had shoulder problems for a while so they're managing it carefully. As his wife had a baby recently it makes sense to leave him at home for both reasons.
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Old 11-01-2013, 11:19
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He's had shoulder problems for a while so they're managing it carefully. As his wife had a baby recently it makes sense to leave him at home for both reasons.
Ok I didnt know there was an injury issue.
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Old 11-01-2013, 11:21
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No he hasnt proven me wrong again and again. Even in the recent test series against India he was slightly above average, One good innings is what saved him from having a bad tour. Just look at his series figures and tell me if they are any good. His figures dont lie. In the world cup they werent much better.

I said nothing about Swann, Swann would improve the team. The other two not so much.
Anderson above average in the tests? In which case you didn't see any of it as its a ridiculous opinion.
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Old 11-01-2013, 11:22
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Anderson above average in the tests? In which case you didn't see any of it as its a ridiculous opinion.

Indeed, he's being silly now, just to prove an ages old point. Oh and I edited in about Broad who has a very fine ODI record in Asia.
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Old 11-01-2013, 11:25
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Anderson above average in the tests? In which case you didn't see any of it as its a ridiculous opinion.
Didn't Dhoni, at the end of the 4th test, say Anderson was the difference between the two teams in the series? Not sure I'd got quite as far as Dhoni on that but 'slightly above average' is a pretty laughable summation.
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Old 11-01-2013, 11:31
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Anyway, desperately need some wickets, but I don't see where they're coming from.
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Old 11-01-2013, 11:33
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Anderson above average in the tests? In which case you didn't see any of it as its a ridiculous opinion.
ridiculous?

These are his figues for the test series

Player Mat Inns Overs Mdns Runs Wkts BBI BBM Ave Econ SR
JM Anderson 4 7 126.4 27 363 12 4/81 6/127 30.25 2.86 63.3

They dont look special to me, anything but. But then again maybe yours and seansnotmyname have lower standards than others. A strike rate of 63.3 is not brilliant, barely average. An economy of 30.25 again not great but average.

As for Broad, that last time he played in the sub-continent was in the WC. He didnt play that well from what I remember.
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Old 11-01-2013, 11:36
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Didn't Dhoni, at the end of the 4th test, say Anderson was the difference between the two teams in the series? Not sure I'd got quite as far as Dhoni on that but 'slightly above average' is a pretty laughable summation.
Dhoni was an idiot for saying that. I would have thought Panasar, Swann and Cook were more influential that Anderson.
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Old 11-01-2013, 11:37
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ridiculous?

These are his figues for the test series

Player Mat Inns Overs Mdns Runs Wkts BBI BBM Ave Econ SR
JM Anderson 4 7 126.4 27 363 12 4/81 6/127 30.25 2.86 63.3

They dont look special to me, anything but. But then again maybe yours and seansnotmyname have lower standards than others. A strike rate of 63.3 is not brilliant, barely average. An economy of 30.25 again not great but average.
They were pitches that didn't assist seam bowlers whatsoever, who was the next best seamer. Sorry just using stats really doesn't make you clever, watch the game, he was a consistent threat on puddings of pitches, as he was in UAE and Sri Lanka.

These others you're talking about presumably total Dhoni and most Indian commentators.
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Old 11-01-2013, 11:38
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Dhoni was an idiot for saying that. I would have thought Panasar, Swann and Cook were more influential that Anderson.
Yeah, pesky others, look at the stats
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