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47% of Android Users still on 2.3 Gingerbread
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Stiggles
04-01-2013
Originally Posted by TeeGee:
“It does surprise me that it is so hard to upgrade Android. My HTC Wildfire on 2.2 can't even access iPlayer.”

Thats nothing to do with Android. That was HTC using an older underpowered CPU that cant run flash.
Pepperoni Man
04-01-2013
I don't see why the OP is "amazed" The vast majority of people I know with Android phones hardly know that their android phone is an android phone. They just say that they've got a Samsung or HTC whatever. To expect these people to know what version of Android they've got is totally unrealistic
Stiggles
04-01-2013
Originally Posted by Hugh_:
“I guess this is the result of such a convoluted and fragmented OS. Have you got 4.0? Will its out of date get 4.0.1. Oh now you need 4.0.2, but then it's time for 4.1.1.

Of course don't forget with each update you'llose a few apps. It's an absolute bloody nightmare, why can't they just do it the way blackberry or Apple do it?”

Its not. Apple do the same thing. An update from 4.0 to 4.0.1 is just bug fixes. Nothing breaks....

When a major update happens, like apple some apps dont work. Its then up to the dev on both platforms to get it working. Im not sure what you dont understand about this or why you think its only Android that this happens on...
slick1two
04-01-2013
Originally Posted by Pepperoni Man:
“I don't see why the OP is "amazed" The vast majority of people I know with Android phones hardly know that their android phone is an android phone. They just say that they've got a Samsung or HTC whatever. To expect these people to know what version of Android they've got is totally unrealistic”

So just because a number of users don't know a thing about a phone and it's os means no one should bother updating a system even when the os is already available and compatible with a phone? Sorry that's nonsense. It's irrelevant if the users are ignorant. So in terms of business ethics supporting hardware which is not old yet is not Something a Phone maker should do?

I think you are letting them off the hook far too easily.
Pepperoni Man
04-01-2013
Originally Posted by slick1two:
“So just because a number of users don't know a thing about a phone and it's os means no one should bother updating a system even when the os is already available and compatible with a phone? Sorry that's nonsense. It's irrelevant if the users are ignorant. So in terms of business ethics supporting hardware which is not old yet is not Something a Phone maker should do?

I think you are letting them off the hook far too easily.”

Sorry, put it this way........the vast majority and I mean vast.just don't care what version they have
BT@home
04-01-2013
Originally Posted by Hugh_:
“Of course don't forget with each update you'llose a few apps. It's an absolute bloody nightmare, why can't they just do it the way blackberry or Apple do it?”

Of course Apple's way of doing is so much easier, where different phones all use iOS 6 but all have different features sets
slick1two
04-01-2013
Originally Posted by Pepperoni Man:
“Sorry, put it this way........the vast majority and I mean vast.just don't care what version they have”

You didn't answer my question.
alanwarwic
04-01-2013
Originally Posted by BT@home:
“Of course Apple's way of doing is so much easier, where different phones all use iOS 6 but all have different features sets ”

With Android you sometimes don't get the update with all the new bits, plus the pros and cons.
With IOS you mainly do, with the pros and cons plus plenty of missing bits.


Just a number innit.
Mustabuster
04-01-2013
In terms of business ethics they will support old hardware if there is a business case for it. Either for customer loyalty, past promises or it's a current model. Usually they want you to upgrade your HW by buying a new phone. It depends on how loyal they feel their customer base is. A lot of companies spend years building up a customer base with high loyalty only to exploit it later on.

All this extra support costs time and money. I know there are custom roms out there but they need to pay their staff. This is one thing I do not understand is that there are people out there who do all this freeware/open source stuff for effectively nothing but kudos.
Mark in Essex
04-01-2013
I must admit that I don't see the point some sometimes of upgrading to the latest OS with older hardware?

Even back in the days of Windows 3.1 I did not upgrade to the next version for the sake of it as it was running well and even faster than it would if I had upgraded.

Also I only upgraded from Windows XP around a year ago as I had an old Dell PC and did not see any point in upgrading to Windows 7 when it came out (even though I was able to get it for less than £10 through my company).
Everything Goes
04-01-2013
Gingerbread is to Android as XP is to Windows
Mustabuster
04-01-2013
Except you can still buy phones with Gingerbread.
jabbamk1
04-01-2013
Originally Posted by Mustabuster:
“Except you can still buy phones with Gingerbread.”

And you can still buy PC's with XP (as an option)
iangrad
04-01-2013
Can someone please explain what the advantage of going from ver 2.3 to 4 .nn is as I have a Huawei G300 and a pal has a virtually new S3 and on the surface there is no difference in the user experience .
whoever,hey
04-01-2013
I dont see how it matters.

If you want the latest Android you wouldn't have a phone from a few years ago and if you have an old phone you probably dont even care that its an old OS because you phone still does what it did when you first got it.
whoever,hey
04-01-2013
Originally Posted by BT@home:
“Of course Apple's way of doing is so much easier, where different phones all use iOS 6 but all have different features sets ”

Which is basically lying to the customer! But many dont care because Apple do whats best for its customers dont they!
Pepperoni Man
04-01-2013
Originally Posted by slick1two:
“You didn't answer my question.”

Probably because I didn't understand it

I consider myself to be reasonably ok when it comes to (phone) tech - better than your average punter but not as knowledgable as the vast majority of regular posters on this forum

Make calls, text, surf and a bit of social media and 99% of the phone buying public will be happy - they don't give a stuff about Gingerbread, Jellybean and their associated cronies.

I'm one of them - my phone runs on Gingerbread - I've no idea whether an update is available for Ice Cream Sandwich - I'll give it some thought when I come to upgrade shortly
Pepperoni Man
04-01-2013
Originally Posted by whoever,hey:
“I dont see how it matters.

If you want the latest Android you wouldn't have a phone from a few years ago and if you have an old phone you probably dont even care that its an old OS because you phone still does what it did when you first got it.”

^^^^^^
This
daclick
04-01-2013
Samsung galaxy y is the one.that peeves me, use it at work and my s3 has jellybean a and wildfires urgh don't get me started
niceguy1966
05-01-2013
If people really cared, Nexus branded phones would be market leaders. Obviously they aren't.
icefall
05-01-2013
Well I personally am gutted they didnt do an update for Desire Z, because I am a new user of Android. And I got the Desire Z due to the keyboard as I am a control freak who needs it lol! So I will not be changing my phone anytime soon.

I would have liked the update but there you go.
Stuart_h
05-01-2013
Originally Posted by niceguy1966:
“If people really cared, Nexus branded phones would be market leaders. Obviously they aren't.”

^^ This

If you really need the latest updates you buy a Nexus.

If you want bigger, smaller, cheaper, faster, Sense, Touchwizz etc then you take the chance that the phone you buy is the phone you stay with ...... it wont get any worse but it may not get any "better".

The great thing about the smartphone market is choice. That choice also includes weighing up likelihood of updates. You cant expect constant updates on a budget phone as support would push the cost up. You also have to expect delays on phones that heavily tweak the OS. Development and testing takes time.

But the phone you purchased was your choice - chance of updates is just another thing to consider alongside screen size, processor, build quality etc IMHO.
DejaVoodoo
05-01-2013
I would imagine this year that a lot of people on 2 year contracts with gingerbread devices will be due an upgrade, so will be probably end up with a new phone with ICS or above.
Zack06
05-01-2013
People forget that Nokia feature phones ruled the mobile market for years on end, serving a particular type of customer, who may want to occasionally surf the web and use applications but primarily just for calls alone. This market has not changed. Low/mid-range Android phones have taken over the old feature phone market and brought new features. To these users, which still happen to be a majority, these phones already have a lot more features than previous devices and so the need for updates is not something that is a priority for these buyers.

Those more interested in the cutting edge, will no doubt have settled for an iPhone or a high end Android phone, as those devices are touted as flagships and are more likely to be updated and serve as mascots for their respective companies.

The reality is that there just isn't much of a business case for every Android phone to have updates to every single version. It's up to the OEMs to decide when to update based on their own individual business models. Apple only has one mobile device so its update process is undoubtedly going to be easier to manage, however, that being said, legacy Apple devices have seen atrocious support when being updated to new versions of iOS.

The bottom line is that those that want updates will seek them out, one way or another. Most new Android devices are on 4.x now, so eventually Gingerbread 2.3 will be displaced, but due to the nature of the Android model, this will take a bit of time to refresh, but I'm willing to bet that by this time next year, the 2.3 share will have been more than halved.
The Alpha Gamer
05-01-2013
Originally Posted by Stuart_h:
“^^ This

If you really need the latest updates you buy a Nexus.”

If you can afford them, and can put up with their problems, and then you have to consider people feelings about which OEM's have made it.
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