[jackbell]

... whilst Shayne is stood there in his 'Dancing On Ice' leotard.

DS is cruel, but hilarious.

[InMyArms]

lol

[jackbell]

Originally Posted by InMyArms

lol

Me too. I'm still smiling. It just needed a slow burn Shayne to look down at his leotard to be pure Ricky Gervais.

[cashloot147]

Suppose Shayne might be able to tell him what NOT to do ....

[JustArun]

I think Shayne is the best male winner we've ever had.

[JumpTheShark]

Originally Posted by JustArun

I think Shayne is the best male winner we've ever had.

That is true, but the standard is hardly high!

[Master Ozzy]

Shayne is the best male winner.

[JustArun]

Originally Posted by JumpTheShark

That is true, but the standard is hardly high!

That is also true, we've had Steve, Leon, Matt and now James....


Joe at least found some success despite being dropped.

[Dreammaster695]

hes not here to say hes sorry hes not here to lie to you hes here to say hes ready, to follow through =D what a tune... not :P

[Dave0893]

Originally Posted by JustArun

That is also true, we've had Steve, Leon, Matt and now James....


Joe at least found some success despite being dropped.

I may be wrong but I have always had the impression Steve did well, then for no reason Syco stopped him releasing albums for years then he flopped. Though maybe I have just been listening to his fans for too long.

[Dreammaster695]

Originally Posted by Dave0893

I may be wrong but I have always had the impression Steve did well, then for no reason Syco stopped him releasing albums for years then he flopped. Though maybe I have just been listening to his fans for too long.

simon called him the next robbie williams, more like robin williams

[jackbell]

Originally Posted by Master Ozzy

Shayne is the best male winner.

Nothing to do with being the best it was just the comedy of him wearing a leotard giving out career advice to James Arthur. Obviously advice is something Shayne could have done with.

Like I say - pure Ricky Gervais.

Whilst going on another singing show played dividends for Joe McElderry I don't really see someone on a skating show being a credible career move for a singer.

"The fans want to see me on TV" Shayne, the gift that keeps on giving.

[paperplanes_]

I wouldn't call Shayne or Joe flops, they've just slipped off the radar a little through no fault of theirs. They don't have bad record sales really. Think they're better suited to what they do now tbh. Shayne seemed to do well in ROA and Joe suits the opera music. Fair play to them, if it makes them happy then they're not flop acts at all.

[C14E]

Originally Posted by Dave0893

I may be wrong but I have always had the impression Steve did well, then for no reason Syco stopped him releasing albums for years then he flopped. Though maybe I have just been listening to his fans for too long.

No, his debut album sold 101,000 copies. That was in a record year for UK artist album sales. Since then, the market is down nearly 40%. In "real terms", it is the worst selling winners album by a very considerable distance. Simon has been known to tell a little fib and say that he sold 250,000 albums. But then again, he also said Shayne Ward had sold 3 million records 6 months after winning so all we know is that asking a label exec how many albums they have sold is like asking a man how big his co*k is.

Syco, perhaps to fulfill a contract obgliation or to save face, offered another covers album to be pushed out at the time of the second series of X Factor. Steve wanted them to release the music he had written. Syco didn't like it and wouldn't entertain anything other than covers.

They agreed to part and he was offered a small sum (£12,500 IIRC) to go away and have it all over nice and cleanly. He argued that he should get £50,000. And then they never spoke again.

[outof thepark]

Originally Posted by JustArun

That is also true, we've had Steve, Leon, Matt and now James....


Joe at least found some success despite being dropped.

Joe give him his due refuses to get involved ..
Ths article is just PR for james ..dont think jamee will tweet about shayne

[Dreammaster695]

Originally Posted by C14E

No, his debut album sold 101,000 copies. That was in a record year for UK artist album sales. Since then, the market is down nearly 40%. In "real terms", it is the worst selling winners album by a very considerable distance. Simon has been known to tell a little fib and say that he sold 250,000 albums. But then again, he also said Shayne Ward had sold 3 million records 6 months after winning so all we know is that asking a label exec how many albums they have sold is like asking a man how big his co*k is.

Syco, perhaps to fulfill a contract obgliation or to save face, offered another covers album to be pushed out at the time of the second series of X Factor. Steve wanted them to release the music he had written. Syco didn't like it and wouldn't entertain anything other than covers.

They agreed to part and he was offered a small sum (£12,500 IIRC) to go away and have it all over nice and cleanly. He argued that he should get £50,000. And then they never spoke again.

he wasnt even worth 12k..

[gpk]

Originally Posted by Dave0893

I may be wrong but I have always had the impression Steve did well, then for no reason Syco stopped him releasing albums for years then he flopped. Though maybe I have just been listening to his fans for too long.

dave, i think you may have meant shayne and not steve?

[Andybear]

Originally Posted by Dreammaster695

simon called him the next robbie williams, more like robin williams

Robin Williams is an extremely successful actor, has been in loads of films.

[achro]

Originally Posted by Dreammaster695

simon called him the next robbie williams, more like robin williams

What! Robin Williams is way more successful than Robbie Williams.

[String9]

Shayne had it all, the looks, the voice and the personality. His biggest problem as far as I'm concerned was being managed by Louis Walsh. People were expecting Shayne to be the UK's answer to Justin Timberlake, instead Louis stuck him in a suit and gave him ballads to sing.

He is still a lovely guy and I hope something good happens for him this year.

[jackbell]

Originally Posted by String9

Shayne had it all, the looks, the voice and the personality. His biggest problem as far as I'm concerned was being managed by Louis Walsh. People were expecting Shayne to be the UK's answer to Justin Timberlake, instead Louis stuck him in a suit and gave him ballads to sing.

I think there were two things that went wrong with Shayne Ward and they are both related.

Shayne didn't write his own material. He was dependant on song writers and so therefore dependant on his musical direction. Westlife were big at the time and Louis probably had a lot of Westlife-type songs to hand. It had worked before - Will Young's first single was a Westlife cover/reject.

I think the other thing was Steve Brookstein-related. Brookstein had started kicking off about the show and Simon and Shayne had to prove he wasn't going to be anohter 'Steve' so he towed the line and did as he was told. He bigged up the XF at every opportunity.

[Since Yesterday]

Originally Posted by jackbell

I think there were two things that went wrong with Shayne Ward and they are both related. Shayne didn't write his own material. He was dependant on song writers and so therefore dependant on his musical direction. Westlife were big at the time and Louis probably had a lot of Westlife-type songs to hand. It had worked before - Will Young's first single was a Westlife cover/reject.

I think the other thing was Steve Brookstein-related. Brookstein had started kicking off about the show and Simon and Shayne had to prove he wasn't going to be anohter 'Steve' so he towed the line and did as he was told. He bigged up the XF at every opportunity.

I fail to see the relevance. His "musical direction" was always going to be in Syco's hands rather than his own, whether he wrote his own material or not. And it's just plain daft to presume that Louis either picked the songs or had anything more than a negligible involvement.

Again, the supposed relevance escapes me. It's certainly true that Shayne always came across as a bit of a yes man. And indeed he'd seen first hand what awaits those who foolishly bite the hand that feeds. But just because he remained agreeable in the media, it doesn't necessarily follow that he was a doormat behind closed doors. Although what difference it makes regardless, I fail to see. Brookstein's delusions of grandeur cost him the best stab at a career he'll ever have, and more recently Matt found himself castigated for every last trace of self-assertiveness he ever showed. It may get you the album you'd always wanted to make, but sales, respect, credibility and a sustained career aren't available on demand.

[Crabbie123]

Originally Posted by jackbell

I think there were two things that went wrong with Shayne Ward and they are both related.

Shayne didn't write his own material. He was dependant on song writers and so therefore dependant on his musical direction. Westlife were big at the time and Louis probably had a lot of Westlife-type songs to hand. It had worked before - Will Young's first single was a Westlife cover/reject.

I think the other thing was Steve Brookstein-related. Brookstein had started kicking off about the show and Simon and Shayne had to prove he wasn't going to be anohter 'Steve' so he towed the line and did as he was told. He bigged up the XF at every opportunity.

I think the song writing angle is partly true, but I also think Shayne's youth (I think he was 21 when he won) was also a part of the reason why he wasn't as assertive about what he wanted to do. He trusted the people handling him to do their best - which they did for the first year. But after his second year he was shelved as so many artists on big labels are and he was probably not expecting that. His 3rd album didn't do well because life moves on for popstars and Syco had so many other acts to deal with who were now higher profile.

Anyway, Shayne is doing fine in ROA and raising his profile on DOI will probably get him more West End parts - I suspect he is less looking to re-ignite his pop career and more looking to find ways to consolidate his career in show business generally.

[Dreammaster695]

Originally Posted by achro

What! Robin Williams is way more successful than Robbie Williams.

lol i only film i know him to be in is the board game one.. forget its name, and mrs doughtfire , and he was in night of the musem as well

[Dave0893]

Originally Posted by gpk

dave, i think you may have meant shayne and not steve?

Oh, yeah you are right.