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Old 28-05-2015, 20:52
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Exclusive access to Jaguar as their craftsmen create six new Lightweight E-Types, costing over £1 million each and going to specially-chosen customers
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Old 28-05-2015, 21:45
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Came to this party a bit late 30 minutes in.
Presenter had the Jaguar bloke 'down' with all his chatter of passions 'you want to get into the superich (I'm paraphrasing).
Ugly chunky watch they've produced too, but that's the fashion I suppose.

Why would an owner of a new lightweight expect to get an invite to Goodwood, it's not the real thing clearly it wouldn't get an invite to a historic race meeting.
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Old 28-05-2015, 21:48
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No need to bother advertising their cars in the breaks!

Bloody nice fanny-magnet they're building.
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Old 28-05-2015, 21:48
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Oh Jesus, what a beautiful piece of engineering. And the presentation piece with the watch as well! Oh crikey, this is bliss telly.
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Old 28-05-2015, 21:51
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I think I'd rather save myself £930.000 and have an F-type convertible.
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Old 28-05-2015, 21:54
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A Jaguar built like a Bristol.
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Old 28-05-2015, 22:20
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I wasn't paying attention, why was the paint job worth 40k?

I really should have been interested in this, but it didn't grab me, recording it on +1 see if it's any better watching from the beginning.
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Old 28-05-2015, 22:22
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I wasn't paying attention, why was the paint job worth 40k?

I really should have been interested in this, but it didn't grab me, recording it on +1 see if it's any better watching from the beginning.
Nine coats and polishing, I suppose.
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Old 28-05-2015, 23:08
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I wasn't paying attention, why was the paint job worth 40k?

I really should have been interested in this, but it didn't grab me, recording it on +1 see if it's any better watching from the beginning.
1960's paint and not the current cellulose paints we use now. Does anyone know if any of the parts were original 60's jaguar parts, like the chassis, engine, gearbox or body panels. I missed the first 30 minutes on CH4 + 1.
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Old 29-05-2015, 00:17
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1960's paint and not the current cellulose paints we use now. Does anyone know if any of the parts were original 60's jaguar parts, like the chassis, engine, gearbox or body panels. I missed the first 30 minutes on CH4 + 1.
I kept wondering what the engine was, but AFAIK it was not mentioned.
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Old 29-05-2015, 01:08
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I kept wondering what the engine was, but AFAIK it was not mentioned.
I assumed it would be a AJ16, it's an updated XK.
Itís a D-typeís engine for the modern day

Jaguar bases the engine on the D-typeís 3868cc 12-valve straight six - but has given it a very modern makeover. Instead of an iron block, Jag uses an aluminium base with pressed-in steel liners for extra durability. Dry-sump lubrication will keep it oiled even during hard cornering. With Triple Weber carbs, itís rated at 335bhp at 6500rpm, with 280lb ft from 4500rpm.


Sort of half n half engine, 12 valve and Webers instead of modern 24 valve and injection, tacked on to a 4 speed gearbox.
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Old 29-05-2015, 02:38
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1960's paint and not the current cellulose paints we use now. Does anyone know if any of the parts were original 60's jaguar parts, like the chassis, engine, gearbox or body panels. I missed the first 30 minutes on CH4 + 1.
T'other way around. Water based rather than the original cellulose, a lot of coats and flattening so the man hours is where the high cost was.
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Old 29-05-2015, 08:35
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Chris Evans will probably be one of those customers.
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Old 29-05-2015, 14:56
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I assumed it would be a AJ16, it's an updated XK.
Itís a D-typeís engine for the modern day

Jaguar bases the engine on the D-typeís 3868cc 12-valve straight six - but has given it a very modern makeover. Instead of an iron block, Jag uses an aluminium base with pressed-in steel liners for extra durability. Dry-sump lubrication will keep it oiled even during hard cornering. With Triple Weber carbs, itís rated at 335bhp at 6500rpm, with 280lb ft from 4500rpm.


Sort of half n half engine, 12 valve and Webers instead of modern 24 valve and injection, tacked on to a 4 speed gearbox.
The cars are to the exact original specification, thus they have aluminium block 3.8 litre XK engines. The one on the show had fuel injection, as did some of the originals, others having triple Weber carburettors. Nobody would be interested in an "exact" reproduction if it had a modern engine. The reason that these are so expensive is that everything has been created from scratch to the original spec, including the engines.
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Old 29-05-2015, 15:39
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I didn't see it all, but what I saw was very interesting.

Not so sure that the watch or suitcase lived up to the elegance and beauty of the cars. They seemed a bit gimmicky, but then I'm not in the market for a £1m car, so maybe they appeal to the right type of person.

It seemed odd to make a big point of a brand new car not being allowed to take part in historic races. Even if they are exact replicas, they aren't vintage vehicles.

I hope "For the love of cars" are watching. You can make an interesting car program without trying to copy Top Gear.
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Old 29-05-2015, 18:52
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Chris Evans will probably be one of those customers.
Chris Evans is a Ferrari man so this would only mess up his 15 car 'ferrari' garage.
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Old 29-05-2015, 20:12
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Well I watched this expecting to see the "Making of a Million Pound Car" however I got to see the usual performing seal and "human interest" stories with perhaps fifteen minutes of actual "Making". So many opportunities missed, eg where did the engine come from and how was it made - so much wasted time, did I really have to see said performing seal having orgasms in the passenger seat on a test drive etc etc. Rubbish.

Another opportunity for an interesting programme lost to UK TVs obsession with presenters and personalities to the detrement of meaningful content.
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Old 29-05-2015, 22:17
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The thing that I found strange was the two guys putting on their outfits in preparation for spraying the car and one saying "I feel like an astronaut". It gives the impression that they'd never done it before.
If I had the money I don't think I'd touch one with a barge pole. Not entirely sure why Jaguar allowed this program to go out. I don't think that it was good advertising and at certain points I got the impression that the program was a spoof. Tolerances to within a millimetre? my arse.

If this is cars being meticulously built by specialist engineers I think I'd rather have my car built by robots.
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Old 30-05-2015, 03:05
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I agree with bspace about the generic faults evident with this type of program. It was pathetic the way the presenter tried to generate some friction around the probable exclusion of these cars from Goodwood, and then dressing it up as "mis-selling" by Jaguar. What I couldn't understand was, unless I missed something, why Jaguar hadn't built a prototype that a) Jaguar could test and b) the 6 prospective customers could use to customize (and, therein, be hooked further into buying.)
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Old 30-05-2015, 06:12
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Was that Danny Devito buying it?
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Old 30-05-2015, 12:34
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The cars are to the exact original specification, thus they have aluminium block 3.8 litre XK engines. The one on the show had fuel injection, as did some of the originals, others having triple Weber carburettors. Nobody would be interested in an "exact" reproduction if it had a modern engine. The reason that these are so expensive is that everything has been created from scratch to the original spec, including the engines.
Indeed, like the recently built Tornado steam engine, at over £3million. I don't think steam power would have taken off like it did back then if each loco cost that sort of figure.
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Old 30-05-2015, 12:53
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I agree with bspace about the generic faults evident with this type of program. It was pathetic the way the presenter tried to generate some friction around the probable exclusion of these cars from Goodwood, and then dressing it up as "mis-selling" by Jaguar. What I couldn't understand was, unless I missed something, why Jaguar hadn't built a prototype that a) Jaguar could test and b) the 6 prospective customers could use to customize (and, therein, be hooked further into buying.)
I didn't watch it all.
Why build a prototype, it's a limited run of 6 all hand built.
They were simply reproducing something they'd produced before, even that was a derivation of an existing design.
They probably improved on things in a few areas due to years of usage/testing on of the original cars, I would have thought every mechanical part from suspension upwards was looked at to see if it could be improved.
Materials have moved on so much since the 60's almost impossible not to improve on things.
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Old 30-05-2015, 14:08
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Chris Evans will probably be one of those customers.
Not really. The buyers are by invitation only and are high-class and discerning. Hardly Evans.
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Old 30-05-2015, 14:27
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Was that Danny Devito buying it?
I had to do a double take.
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Old 30-05-2015, 14:39
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Was that Danny Devito buying it?
Was this guy:

http://www.moviecatcher.net/images/clown-from-spawn.jpg
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