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Old 01-03-2015, 11:49
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I'm disabled (although not d/Deaf) and writers who start speaking for disabled for disabled people really bug me.

Not only does she clearly not have a clue about hearing impairments in general, did Nic really learn ESL "quickly"?

I also feel a lot less mean for not being the only person to pick up on the famous person and anorexia hospital admission.
Yes. You'd think Nic would have had to learn it years ago in order to communicate with her PROFOUNDLY DEAF employer.

The Crisis is certainly more exciting than the Dreary, but it's rather heinous that it's been made out to be all about Liz when it's actually all about Nic.

I'm intrigued however by the notion that Liz communicates with the Baker several weeks in arrears, by writing things in the Dreary that are clearly intended for him to read, but weeks after whatever caused them to be written in the first place.
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Old 01-03-2015, 11:52
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Do you know I was reading the article and about to give her the benefit of the doubt when all of a sudden she claims she is profoundly deaf. She has no idea what profoundly deaf means. It is a technical term which means you have no hearing below 95 decibels and could be without speech. A few weeks ago she was severely deaf which means you have hearing loss between 70 and 95 decibels. She is a bit hard of hearing. The irony is when she comes across someone who really is profoundly deaf she has no idea how to treat this person. She refers to them as" deaf and partially dumb" which is a really offensive term. I am not saying that this excuses Nic's stalker just that it negates everything she has written in the article and so any empathy is watered down or lost.
You took the words right out of my mouth, I was just going to write about the exact same thing, in one article she's claiming she can't hear her 'boyfriend' (if indeed he does exist ???) properly because he keeps forgetting to talk to her on the other side because of her deafness and now this week, she's claiming she's profoundly deaf. This, I think is an insult to people who actually are profoundly deaf.

I honestly can't believe a word this stupid woman writes, but I don't suppose she cares. The very fact that we're all talking about her means we've all read what she's written, so I suppose in her warped sense of entitlement she thinks that's why we buy the paper. I actually buy mine for the puzzle page, and the cookery articles.
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Old 01-03-2015, 11:54
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Crisis update... the case had nothing to do with Jones. It was all Nic Bebb. Oh, and Jamie got a 12 month conditional discharge and paid COSTS of £100. Full details have emerged on the Northern Echo site.
Have you got a link for that?
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Old 01-03-2015, 12:04
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Old 01-03-2015, 12:13
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Thanks.

What I don't understand is how Jones claims he is left alone in the property and no one helps him, yet mentions his sister and mother. Maybe they don't live with him, but they are still around to tend to him if needed.
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Old 01-03-2015, 12:19
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Her awful smug face at the top story of Mail Online today really winds me up. If she was so traumatized by what happened to her would she really be posing like the cat who'd got the cream? She really is a horrid old troll.
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Old 01-03-2015, 13:01
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I am not a fan of Jonesy but if her account was true ( and he did plead guilty --and has previous) I think she is right to feel aggrieved that he was only fined £100. Disabled or not, stalking is stalking and it must be horrible for her assistant. He is deaf/dumb but sounds deranged too.
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Old 01-03-2015, 13:37
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I'm disabled (although not d/Deaf) and writers who start speaking for disabled for disabled people really bug me.

Not only does she clearly not have a clue about hearing impairments in general, did Nic really learn ESL "quickly"?

I also feel a lot less mean for not being the only person to pick up on the famous person and anorexia hospital admission.



Hi Emmabelle, I think the actress was Celia Emery. Glad you picked up on it too.
Have only just started posting here after reading posts for a long time. I couldn't decide if complaining about our Liz felt the right thing to do, but then thought hang on a minute i buy the paper so am contributing to her wage packet so why not have a voice.


Oops Celia Indie perhaps

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Old 01-03-2015, 13:44
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Still got it wrong
Celia Imrie.
Think that's it.
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Old 01-03-2015, 14:11
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stalking is stalking and it must be horrible
So horrible Liz is happy to pose for pictures standing next to a wall with "witch" written on it while looking smug? A genuinely distressed person wouldn't do that.
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Old 01-03-2015, 15:12
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I've posted before about how the 'profoundly deaf' thing annoys me too - mainly because I have a friend who is profoundly deaf! (She has no hearing in one at all, as the auditory nerve never developed on that side, and only 30% hearing in her 'good' ear, for which she can wear a hearing aid, but rarely does so as she has other health issues which make wearing a hearing aid difficult). That's profoundly deaf, not just a bit 'hard of hearing' (HOH) which is what Liz Jones appears to be, especially as she seems to be a rather selective as to when and where she wants to be these things - and the less said about her 'hearing dogs' the better!

However, it is possible to learn enough BSL (and it is BSL - British Sign Language - not ESL, as although there are regional variations, it all has the same basic foundations in all the UK regions) in a relatively short space of time to communicate with a profoundly Deaf person relatively well, as I've found myself (I've been learning for nearly two years now, but even after only 4 months I was mistaken for an experienced signer at out local Deaf Club by a UK visitor who didn't know me!). I've had no formal lessons, just been taught by my deaf friend (she lip reads and speaks, but also signs) and other Deaf friends I've met through knowing her. So that bit could have a grain of truth in it re Nic communicating with the man in question.

The trouble with Liz is, she muddies the waters so much it's almost impossible to be certain of the truth about anything!

PS - if anyone wants to learn BSL it's great fun and relatively easy... the only downside I've found is that my daughters, who are learning with me, are now able to talk about me behind my back in total silence!!
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Old 01-03-2015, 16:01
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You managed OK in the Big Brother house without your 'hearing' dog, eh, Liz?
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Old 01-03-2015, 16:54
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I realised I'd mistyped and written ESL not BSL and couldn't find an edit button!

Absolutely, some BSL can be picked up quickly. It was the casualness that got me. It's a whole language and a whole subject that Liz has never taken the time to understand.

I think part of the problem is that she uses words in their writer way not their technical way. So, to her, her deafness affects her "profoundly" therefore she is "profoundly deaf". The dogs help her out in some situations where she can't hear well. They've been trained to help with some of these things so they must be "trained hearing dogs". The technical terms don't have any meaning to her if there's an everyday meaning to term that she understands.
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Old 01-03-2015, 17:55
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And now she must disclose the problems with the neighbour when selling her property. She's reduced her property value significantly by making this more public than it would have been if she'd not written the article. But that will give her something else to moan about, so perhaps she does not mind.
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Old 01-03-2015, 18:05
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May be I'm seeing repeating patterns in the boring wallpaper that constitutes Liz Jones's diary... but I can't help seeing shades of Dulverton all over again, except this time up in the Yorkshire Dales.

I'm not condoning what appears to have happened to Nic, but the fact that the DM had this as front-page headlines this morning with Lizard's Midnight-Storm enhanced fizzog all over it is hardly likely to go down well with the local-yokels of Reeth. And if this isn't bad enough, in her diary she's now 'dissing' locals letting their property. Even the 'stalker' situation has shades of the people down in Dulverton that shot air-gun pellets at her post-box.

The fact is that wherever she goes, Lizard alienates herself. She always paints herself as the victim, but as a selective amnesiac forgets that she's the one who always fires the first shot. Where's she going to move to next... the Outer Hebrides ? Or may be she could apply to be one of the first astronauts to colonise Mars... though God help her fellow travellers.

Hopefully David's lack of contact means that he's distancing himself, but my guess is that their co-dependent relationship will trundle on until the curtain finally falls on her dreary.
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Old 01-03-2015, 19:49
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interesting, on Nic's FB page, Lizard is no longer listed amongst her friends.
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Old 01-03-2015, 21:19
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Knowing a bit about the circumstances of this I am fuming that this awful woman has managed to get so much publicity for herself out of this.
If Nic was so frightened why keep the horses in stables right next to the farmhouse, surely if you were that terrified you'd get out fast. Nic spent a lot of time in the kitchen of the farmer leading him on---probably in the hope that the fields and stables would be secure.
Why on earth you would buy a house without the land that you need when you can afford to get one with land is a mystery to me.
If you move into a big shooting area and then start being aggressive to people about it you tend not to make friends.
If my house had 'witch' painted on it I'd remove it fast, not leave it till a photoshoot at the beginning of this week and pose in front of it.
From the beginning of this it has seemed to those watching that the plan has been to try and get Jamie out so that they can take over the land and stabling.
There are two sides to every story and she has a history of not getting on with people.
Two of Jamies sheep have been killed by dogs---there are people who won't walk past her house any more because the dogs she owns are so out of control----so much for Nic being a 'behaviourist'.
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Old 01-03-2015, 23:30
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interesting, on Nic's FB page, Lizard is no longer listed amongst her friends.
The apparent Liz FB account also does not have DScrace listed. Not that that means anything since the three of them spend their lives texting each other.
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Old 01-03-2015, 23:37
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Knowing a bit about the circumstances of this I am fuming that this awful woman has managed to get so much publicity for herself out of this.
If Nic was so frightened why keep the horses in stables right next to the farmhouse, surely if you were that terrified you'd get out fast. Nic spent a lot of time in the kitchen of the farmer leading him on---probably in the hope that the fields and stables would be secure.
Why on earth you would buy a house without the land that you need when you can afford to get one with land is a mystery to me.
If you move into a big shooting area and then start being aggressive to people about it you tend not to make friends.
If my house had 'witch' painted on it I'd remove it fast, not leave it till a photoshoot at the beginning of this week and pose in front of it.
From the beginning of this it has seemed to those watching that the plan has been to try and get Jamie out so that they can take over the land and stabling.
There are two sides to every story and she has a history of not getting on with people.
Two of Jamies sheep have been killed by dogs---there are people who won't walk past her house any more because the dogs she owns are so out of control----so much for Nic being a 'behaviourist'.


That's interesting. Even though I do feel sorry for Nic, because having a stalker who won't leave you alone is just horrible (had 5+ years of it with an unfaithful ex), and it must be very distressing for Liz to see her friend in pieces, I couldn't help but think didn't it occur to either of them that he was quite possibly a lonely character and suddenly there's a woman who seems so keen that she'd gone to the trouble of learning some sign language JUST FOR HIM. Didn't these two worldly wise people give any thought to the impact that could have on this man?
Because it smacks of being rather over reaching to me. And am not condoning his behaviour for a moment here. From living deep in the countryside you realise there is a need to help each other out when there's harsh weather and powercuts etc. But as a woman if you've given a lot of time and attention to a lonely farmer who lives down the road, does it not dawn on you that it could be so easily misconstrued into something else with the potential to cause all kinds of problems.


Don't get me started on the out of control dog situation.
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Old 02-03-2015, 10:41
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Knowing a bit about the circumstances of this I am fuming that this awful woman has managed to get so much publicity for herself out of this.
If Nic was so frightened why keep the horses in stables right next to the farmhouse, surely if you were that terrified you'd get out fast. Nic spent a lot of time in the kitchen of the farmer leading him on---probably in the hope that the fields and stables would be secure.
Why on earth you would buy a house without the land that you need when you can afford to get one with land is a mystery to me.
If you move into a big shooting area and then start being aggressive to people about it you tend not to make friends.
If my house had 'witch' painted on it I'd remove it fast, not leave it till a photoshoot at the beginning of this week and pose in front of it.
From the beginning of this it has seemed to those watching that the plan has been to try and get Jamie out so that they can take over the land and stabling.
There are two sides to every story and she has a history of not getting on with people.
Two of Jamies sheep have been killed by dogs---there are people who won't walk past her house any more because the dogs she owns are so out of control----so much for Nic being a 'behaviourist'.
Very interesting. I strongly suspected that there was more to this story. Have you or friends/family considered talking to the Yorkshire Post and/or Northern Echo about running a right to reply piece?
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Old 02-03-2015, 10:59
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Liz doesn't seem to believe that dogs should be trainined, and it's not so long ago one of her dogs killed a lamb is it? I'm amazed she's not got into more trouble for this.
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Old 02-03-2015, 11:01
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Also, she has turned a local story about someone who is clearly very vulnerable into a national story, just so she can settle some personal score. Was that really necessary?
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Old 02-03-2015, 11:12
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She actively disgusts me more and more. I don't use the word "hate" lightly when talking about people but she's practically begging people to despise her. I think she's both seriously disturbed and a truly nasty piece of work.
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Old 02-03-2015, 12:03
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Knowing a bit about the circumstances of this I am fuming that this awful woman has managed to get so much publicity for herself out of this.
If Nic was so frightened why keep the horses in stables right next to the farmhouse, surely if you were that terrified you'd get out fast. Nic spent a lot of time in the kitchen of the farmer leading him on---probably in the hope that the fields and stables would be secure.
Why on earth you would buy a house without the land that you need when you can afford to get one with land is a mystery to me.
If you move into a big shooting area and then start being aggressive to people about it you tend not to make friends.
If my house had 'witch' painted on it I'd remove it fast, not leave it till a photoshoot at the beginning of this week and pose in front of it.
From the beginning of this it has seemed to those watching that the plan has been to try and get Jamie out so that they can take over the land and stabling.
There are two sides to every story and she has a history of not getting on with people.
Two of Jamies sheep have been killed by dogs---there are people who won't walk past her house any more because the dogs she owns are so out of control----so much for Nic being a 'behaviourist'.
Nic is as much of a 'behaviourist' as I am. She's a Bach Flower 'practitioner' and buys books on dog trainng off Amazon.

It's fairly plain to spot Jones's Empire Building sub-story here... it amuses me that she has no idea what she is taking on. Jamie is very well connected, had admitted he misread the situation and apologised fulsomely. End of story for anyone normal. But not Jones (despite the fact she wasn't involved AT ALL). Now we will have weeks of 'pooor meeeeeeee, why I have I been shunned? What will I do with the poor horsies?" as she realises she will have no access to feed, land, services.

Anyone who chooses to can review the court actions she lost in Dulverton about unpaid bills... there's sure to be more to come...
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Old 02-03-2015, 13:29
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An appealing little shack, isn't it?

http://www.zoopla.co.uk/property-his...1-6nq/15589839
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