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Old 11-05-2016, 22:59
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Wonder where the sheep are now, still in Somerset, or were they with someone else? Wasn't there some business idea about sweaters of some sort?
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Old 12-05-2016, 07:51
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The Good Food Nation website is still up and running, if a little out of date. The 'Blog' page hasn't been updated since 2013, and there's much amusement to be had from the 'Who' page:

"Liz Jones is the most famous, best read columnist in the UK.

Her first job was on Company Magazine, and she then worked at the Evening Standard before joining The Sunday Times, where she worked for 11 years. She became editor of Marie Claire, editor of Life and Style at the Evening Standard before becoming that paper's chief interviewer.

She is now a columnist for The Daily Mail and Mail on Sunday. She is patron of Equine Market Watch, and lives in Somerset with her four rescued collies, 17 rescued cats, rescued horses and sheep. Her books include Liz Jones's Diary and The Exmoor Files. She is divorced but has now remarried, to one of the collies.
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So most famous and best read columnist? Hahahaha, no.
Columnist for the Daily Mail? No.
Lives in Somerset? No.
I'm confident that the number of animals has changed one way or the other, and the most recent book (2 yrs ago?) doesn't get a mention.
I think the reason the spiel is so out-of-date is simply because the Good Food Nation website is the same as the company: dormant.

eta: tho Hen Nation appears to continue beneath the umbrella of the organic veg box business run by Isobel Davies

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Old 12-05-2016, 10:22
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Wonder where the sheep are now, still in Somerset, or were they with someone else? Wasn't there some business idea about sweaters of some sort?
... or maybe they've been turned into 'soft, buttery leather jackets'?
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Old 15-05-2016, 07:45
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I'm actually very worried now. I hope this is really largely fiction. Because she's sounding scary. Today's piece...
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Old 15-05-2016, 09:41
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Assuming the Dreary is accurate, the Mail needs to step up. Whether it's good or not, Liz's work generates clicks galore and she's certainly brought it readers before. It is unconscionable that they'd let her end up literally homeless and in danger AND PRINT THE RESULTS.

What they SHOULD be doing is sending someone up there to throw her and her two pairs of knickers in a vehicle, driving her to London, where she mostly works, and putting her in a flat or hotel room the Mail is paying for. Not a fancy one, but just something till she gets on her feet and gets the country house sold. It could even be an advance on her wages.

The neighbour's clearly mentally disabled and Liz needs to get her head around that. But she also needs to be safe.

The silence of David and Nic, I feel certain, will soon be broken. This was, what, three weeks ago? I wonder whether Liz does a few in a batch. I would if I were her.

I expect a David-text article will arrive shortly, along the lines of "I love you and only you, you are cruel to me yet I miss you", "you have not asked how my ponies are, why must you taunt me with dead poinsettias and poor hygiene, Hilda is stress weeing everywhere" and then he'll throw her in the back of his car and she'll be so grateful to see his fag-ash stained cardigan wearing arse that she'll gladly sleep in the London flat.

And then the sniping will begin anew.

At least I hope so really.
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Old 15-05-2016, 10:31
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It sounds like the neighbour probably has some form of dementia.

It's weird isn't it, same thing happened in Devon. I don't have much sympathy. The thing is, if you go around behaving to everybody you meet like a See You Next Tuesday, it's almost inevitable that eventually you will pick on the wrong person who is a bigger See You Next Tuesday than you are and they will retaliate.

People like Liz and Nic rely on the fact that other people will be too nice and polite to pull them up on their horrible behaviour and they'll get away with it. But unfortunately that attitude is playing with fire. There will always be someone out there who is nuttier and nastier than you and when you pick on them you unleash this sort of thing.

Perhaps if Liz has sent some sort of reasonable email to his sister it would have had some sort of helpful result. But she didn't, she sent a nasty, attacking email which made it clear she cares more about cattle than a human being suffering from an illness. It's amazing isn't it? Someone who demands that she is shown so much sympathy and understanding for her 'anxiety' OCD and eating disorders by other people. But when faced with another person with a much more serious illness she self confessedly couldn't care less about them and thinks it should all be about her.

To be honest, I don't actually believe much of it is true. If she wanted to sell she wouldn't be writing this stuff about her neighbour. I think she's just writing this to stall the sale hoping she can come up with some money to stop it.
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Old 15-05-2016, 11:40
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We know the neighbour is deaf (properly deaf, not Liz's version which affects lots of us over 40)and uses BSL-this could be the origin of the "jabbing" accusation, we know he has previous for stalking women and obviously suffers from some sort of mental health issues. If I lived beside him and had the trouble with him Liz has written about I would avoid him and go back inside as soon as I saw him coming down the lane towards me. If he was banging down my door at night I would not open it and exchange grudges with him and give him the opportunity to allegedly attempt to head butt me, I would call the police straight away. Most women living alone would do the same.

"Sheep lick containers" are usually known as buckets. A very handy thing to have around a working farm, an eyesore if you follow the Marie Antoinette version of farming that Liz subscribes too. If I left my buckets in the lane I'd be peed off too if my neighbour decided to dump them without asking me, if they were there for months fair enough but Liz is so unreliable in what she writes who really knows whats going on between the two of them. How does Liz know he's not cleaning his calf pen unless she's been watching his place too? If a farmer is neglecting his livestock then you email the Dept of Agriculture and they send people out to inspect, why would you address a genuine animal welfare complaint to his sister?
Why didn't she email his sister about his alleged aggression and continued harassment/stalking behaviour without adding a list of "complaints" about animals sh*tting that are really none of her business?
That last line is so ominous that I cant figure out if she's threatening herself or the neighbour. Either way, its not "entertainment" and has no place in a diary column.
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Old 15-05-2016, 12:41
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If ... IF ... what she's written this week is true, then surely if the neighbour actually physically TOUCHED her when 'jabbing her in the chest', then would that not be considered an assault? But if he jabbed finger in her direction, without contact ... then, yes, threatening and frightening but I assume not assault.

Frankly, if he DID actually touch ('jab') her, then I'm surprised the Police didn't do more. OK, the neighbour obviously has problems, physical (deafness) and I assume psychological. Odd that Police suggested that Jones email his sister. And yes, stupid of her to go on in subsequent email about the conditions his animals are kept in (true or not). She should have kept to the point - that he is displaying threatening behaviour towards her.

I find it quite hard to work out quite what's going on ... seems wherever she lives, she upsets the locals. And broadcasting the stuff as she does is hardly going to help her sell the house - who'd want to buy a place, however beautiful, next to an allegedly threatening neighbour?

IF she's being truthful, then I'm sorry for her. I'm also wondering about all the animals - not the horses, obviously far away now with Nic, but the supposed herd of 17 cats plus Prudence and the three dogs. When Liz is in London, or abroad on some 'work', who looks after them? She can hardly ask her next door neighbour to pop around and feed them .... as most of the rest of us can, because we keep on GOOD TERMS with our neighbours!
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Old 15-05-2016, 12:42
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The neighbour is deaf and mentally disabled too. Nic took him to court for harassment so why, rather than Nic have to move away permanently, doesn't she take him back to court? There were a couple of articles about it, giving more details, one in the Mail and one in a local paper. I imagine Liz might be able to take an action against him for putting off prospective buyers and downvaluing her house. Even at auction, the house won't sell with this nutter next door!

Totally agree the Mail should take action - they are a disgrace and I almost wonder if they are letting things happen to make copy!

http://journalisted.com/article/8ib1x
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Old 15-05-2016, 14:21
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The neighbour is deaf and mentally disabled too. Nic took him to court for harassment so why, rather than Nic have to move away permanently, doesn't she take him back to court? There were a couple of articles about it, giving more details, one in the Mail and one in a local paper. I imagine Liz might be able to take an action against him for putting off prospective buyers and downvaluing her house. Even at auction, the house won't sell with this nutter next door!

Totally agree the Mail should take action - they are a disgrace and I almost wonder if they are letting things happen to make copy!

http://journalisted.com/article/8ib1x
The Mail Group and ethics? Hmmm. I suspect that Liz Jones is a freelance, not an employee of the MoS. She probably has a contract with them. However, yes, IF what she's writing is honest truth, then ... well, people she's connected with through work surely would try to help and not just sit back and watch the slow-motion car crash that seems to be her life right now. IF she is in genuine danger from a man who sounds, to put it mildly, irrational, then the Police too should act - and not wait until perhaps she really IS harmed physically.

Trouble is, we are all so used to her somewhat cavalier approach to the truth - she even trips herself up in her writing, contradicting stuff she's posted before, so who knows what's true, what isn't, what's exaggerated? The boy who cried 'wolf' story springs to mind.

Pity is, she can be a terrifically good writer. I am re-reading her book 'How One Single Girl Got Married' (please don't mock me!) and much of it is really funny and readable. And she was good when she wrote for the Sunday Times 'Style' magazine. She CAN do it and I so wish she'd recover her previous great form.

But really she has to pull herself together, get some GOOD legal advice - and of course the Mail Group has a team of tame lawyers who could be consulted - surely they owe Liz that at least, bearing in mind what great 'click bait' she is. An injunction, perhaps, to keep the neighbour away? And a rocket put up the collective backsides of the local Police to take the man's threatening behaviour more seriously?

She is going to have a job selling the property, in view of the neighbour's behaviour and it's quite correct that it is a legal requirement to be revealed to any prospective purchasers. I'm afraid selling the property will probably end up a bit of a 'fire sale', and she'll get far less than she wants. But with an IVA in place, provided she sticks to it (the Insolvency Practitioner will be watching all her finances like a hawk), it's all done and dusted in five years' time.

I am still concerned about all the animals - she'll obviously have to move and where does one go to where one can accommodate eighteen cats (IF that's true), three dogs, assorted horses? Don't think The Baker's Brixton pad is going to hack it.

She wrote, some time ago, either in the Diary or one of her Farticles, that she'd been prescribed meds for anxiety, depression - but she moaned that she couldn't take them because they were so' big' to swallow She mentioned the brand and I can say for sure these tablets are tiny. I'd suggest (I'm sure she reads this DS thread avidly) she goes back to her doctor, discusses the meds again, and gives them a try.

Yes, never thought I'd write this - but I'm sorry for her.
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Old 15-05-2016, 15:01
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The neighbour is deaf and mentally disabled too. Nic took him to court for harassment so why, rather than Nic have to move away permanently, doesn't she take him back to court? There were a couple of articles about it, giving more details, one in the Mail and one in a local paper. I imagine Liz might be able to take an action against him for putting off prospective buyers and downvaluing her house. Even at auction, the house won't sell with this nutter next door!

Totally agree the Mail should take action - they are a disgrace and I almost wonder if they are letting things happen to make copy!

http://journalisted.com/article/8ib1x


But isn't Liz herself contributing to the downvaluing of her house by writing about her "nutter" neighbour in her column?
And would the police really have given her the neighbour's sister's email address? That just doesn't sound plausible at all.
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Old 15-05-2016, 16:13
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Go back to page 125 on this site and you will find a lot more details about Nic's lawsuit against this man. There's also a link to the local newspaper's report of the case.

Don't know how long the restraining order granted lasted for or who it was against. If it just applied to Nic, well she's not around so he's taking it out on Liz and I suppose she would have to start court action again?

I think the problem is that this man is the local "nutter"/ vulnerable adult and all the police could do is apply for him to be sectioned, which they evidently don't want to do. Problem now is he could transfer his affections to whoever buy's Liz's house and be very dangerous indeed.

It surely is up to this man's family to step in, or are they waiting for him to really attack someone?
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Old 15-05-2016, 18:40
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Bear in mind - if Private Eye is to be believed, and frankly I'd trust them over her - she's told the tax people (I think) that what she writes is complete fiction. Thus, the Dreary is a lie and nothing like this happened.

But... she could equally have told the tax people (or whomever is dealing with her insolvency) a great big black lie to get them off her back. Whichever is the truth, she's writing herself into a corner.
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Old 15-05-2016, 18:48
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Go back to page 125 on this site and you will find a lot more details about Nic's lawsuit against this man. There's also a link to the local newspaper's report of the case.

Don't know how long the restraining order granted lasted for or who it was against. If it just applied to Nic, well she's not around so he's taking it out on Liz and I suppose she would have to start court action again?

I think the problem is that this man is the local "nutter"/ vulnerable adult and all the police could do is apply for him to be sectioned, which they evidently don't want to do. Problem now is he could transfer his affections to whoever buy's Liz's house and be very dangerous indeed.

It surely is up to this man's family to step in, or are they waiting for him to really attack someone?
Further to what I wrote earlier, Liz Jones said the man went to 'head-butt' her. If true, that's awful. Had he managed it, that would be a serious assault. He does sound potentially dangerous. The Police obviously know well about his problems - and, I'm sorry to say, it sounds as though they're trying to make things easy for themselves rather than take more positive action.

I agree - handing Liz J. his sister's contact details seems odd, given that everyone these days is so neurotic about 'privacy' and 'data protection' etc. etc. Does sound like the Police have let her down, to be honest, just dumping the problem in Liz's lap (contact the sister!) and saving themselves from doing anything else more proactive.

On the other hand, she probably hasn't endeared herself to the Police, viz: her Farticle a week or so ago about them turning up when she'd bashed Nic's Landrover into someone else's car and, IF she's being truthful, she gave them a bit of lip.

Much as I've mocked her here, I really don't want her to be harmed, as I'm sure we all agree. Liz - speak to a lawyer, fast. And, for the meanwhile, when this man confronts you, best not to 'engage', but just to walk away. Fast. Keep 999 on speed-dial.
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Old 15-05-2016, 19:37
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Go back to page 125 on this site and you will find a lot more details about Nic's lawsuit against this man. There's also a link to the local newspaper's report of the case.

Don't know how long the restraining order granted lasted for or who it was against. If it just applied to Nic, well she's not around so he's taking it out on Liz and I suppose she would have to start court action again?

I think the problem is that this man is the local "nutter"/ vulnerable adult and all the police could do is apply for him to be sectioned, which they evidently don't want to do. Problem now is he could transfer his affections to whoever buy's Liz's house and be very dangerous indeed.

It surely is up to this man's family to step in, or are they waiting for him to really attack someone?
Here's the link: http://m.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/..._outside_home/
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Old 15-05-2016, 20:40
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Much as I've mocked her here, I really don't want her to be harmed, as I'm sure we all agree. Liz - speak to a lawyer, fast. And, for the meanwhile, when this man confronts you, best not to 'engage', but just to walk away. Fast. Keep 999 on speed-dial.
No, nobody wants that Amiko but I don't believe a word she writes. There was a shouting incident before with Nic and a friend of this vulnerable neighbour which resulted in her calling the police and she was advised that time to stay indoors and don't escalate the situation. This man, like her other victims, cannot defend himself in the court of LJ's diary. Nobody would engage repeatedly with a man you consider to be a real danger, you'd avoid him at all costs. The last few columns have been thinner than ever (unlike Liz ) and I wouldn't be remotely surprised if she's made most of it up for fodder. It would be a nice way to get "revenge" on the man and his sister as she would have had to disclose the dispute with any potential buyer anyway. Financially irresponsible Liz is probably only realising the true cost of Nic's interactions with this man now she's trying to sell it and this kind of petty baiting in print is her forte. He's a tenant farmer so probably hasn't got a bean to give her if she tried suing him and won anyway. How does she know whats going on at his place if she's not spying on him?
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Old 15-05-2016, 22:04
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I don't know where the truth lies here. But will say dealing with a sexually obsessed neighbour be it man or woman is a flipping nightmare
You can't get away from their gaze or obsession. So if true then Liz I am sorry for you.

What I hope is that she's not actually living there and just went back to tidy up.

Either way she needs to get on to a lawyer for a restraining order and to carry a recording device if she goes outside. The police often seem to tell victims in these instances to hide from the perpetrators instead of other way around which is a big let down.

Keep yourself and the animals save Liz.

P.S. : Just carrying around recording device and making it obvious that you are recording any bad behaviour does do the trick, you just need to be prepared. It stopped my obsessed neighbour after a lot of problems and criminal damage. Sometimes getting cops involved does make things worse so I'd always go for recording device of anything like that happened.
Hope this is helpful.
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Old 15-05-2016, 22:45
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Am not a Liz fan and I know she brings on a lot of her problems but if this weeks diary is true then basic humanity suggests she needs support.

Sounds like the blokes sister has an understanding with local police that she will help if matters get out of hand ; why else would cops have her email address to give out. But passing Liz's email onto the neighbour was just daft and unhelpful.

I can imagine Liz being Lizbott just reeled off everything about the bloke that had been eating at her for a while. Sadly farm animals trapped up to their thighs in excrement is not uncommon with those who practice poor animal husbandry. But she needed to be more focused on the human problems for now. (It is actually really hard to get any authority to come out to inspect the kinds of problems with farm animals that she describes so you can understand her frustration with the calves).

The whole situation is a mess but at least Nic is away from the bloke and once the house is auctioned off then hopefully Liz will be free to start again....any important lessons learned......very much doubt it ! She must have some kind of plan as to where her and the animals are going, please Liz, don't upset the new community where ever you end up going
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Old 16-05-2016, 00:02
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No, nobody wants that Amiko but I don't believe a word she writes. There was a shouting incident before with Nic and a friend of this vulnerable neighbour which resulted in her calling the police and she was advised that time to stay indoors and don't escalate the situation. This man, like her other victims, cannot defend himself in the court of LJ's diary. Nobody would engage repeatedly with a man you consider to be a real danger, you'd avoid him at all costs. The last few columns have been thinner than ever (unlike Liz ) and I wouldn't be remotely surprised if she's made most of it up for fodder. It would be a nice way to get "revenge" on the man and his sister as she would have had to disclose the dispute with any potential buyer anyway. Financially irresponsible Liz is probably only realising the true cost of Nic's interactions with this man now she's trying to sell it and this kind of petty baiting in print is her forte. He's a tenant farmer so probably hasn't got a bean to give her if she tried suing him and won anyway. How does she know whats going on at his place if she's not spying on him?
This ^^
Nic was friends on Facebook with this chap for ages, commenting on and 'liking' his posts (even leading up to the court case if I recall correctly). If she didn't want to 'lead him on' why was she interacting with him on Facebook?
I believe Jones was happy enough to use him as fodder to fill a few columns (just like the shotgun incident in Dulverton).
The court case was in February 2015:
http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/new..._home/?ref=rss

Jones could easily have resolved the situation by keeping her distance, yet she gave him a bottle of whiskey for Christmas 2015.

Presumably he had not caused problems with the previous owner of Jones' house, otherwise she would have known about it?

Jones used the (infatuated and clearly vulnerable) chap as column fodder - my bet is that she gave no thought as to how it would affect the potential sale of her house.
No sympathy here for Liz Jones.
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Old 16-05-2016, 07:50
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Instead of ignoring the man, turning her back and walking away, she's deliberately inflaming the situation by responding to him. How does she know he might not turn violent? Under the laws of disclosure, I don't think the police were in the right to give Liz the sister's email address either.

TBH I can see some sort of physical confrontation happening quite soon if she keeps this up.
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Old 16-05-2016, 09:02
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please Liz, don't upset the new community where ever you end up going
But she will. We know she will.

Wherever she lives she'll look down on everyone else because they drink the wrong coffee, or use the wrong shampoo and wear the wrong clothes. She'll write her nasty, mocking columns and when her neighbours don't rush to help during her next self-inflicted crisis, it will be because they're horrible selfish people.
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Old 16-05-2016, 09:13
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Once more, with feeling:
"I would like to make my creditors aware that my column and any other article I write is ficticious."

The original article about the neighbour has been removed by the DM, but there is a transcript here:
My neighbour the stalker: After a chilling daubed message and a dead rabbit our columnist LIZ JONES got justice for being terrified by a local farmer
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Old 16-05-2016, 09:28
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Once more, with feeling:
"I would like to make my creditors aware that my column and any other article I write is ficticious."
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I can't make any sense out of this comment. If it's all fictitious then DominoDarling didn't have any conversations with her that were posted on here, so DominoDarling is Liz or an ally posting on here to set a fictitious background - Garnier Fructis, Prudence, text messages and the rest.

If it's all fictitious then so are her financial problems and the fact that her house is for sale for far less than she paid for it, which is in fact true because we can all access the details on the net.
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Old 16-05-2016, 10:12
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I can't make any sense out of this comment. If it's all fictitious then DominoDarling didn't have any conversations with her that were posted on here, so DominoDarling is Liz or an ally posting on here to set a fictitious background - Garnier Fructis, Prudence, text messages and the rest.

If it's all fictitious then so are her financial problems and the fact that her house is for sale for far less than she paid for it, which is in fact true because we can all access the details on the net.
I take fictitious to mean that not all events described are an accurate portrayal - like "scripted reality shows" - there is a basis of fact somehwere in there but they are embellished, edited and dramatized to show a specific "story"
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Old 16-05-2016, 10:22
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The past few weeks have shown that Liz's judgement and probably mental health are not good at the moment. She seems desperate to provoke some sort of drama in order to play the victim - think of the sheer level of nasty rants against the baker.

Her response to the guy next door seems really wierd - it is clear that Nic was friends at one time with this guy
- if you feel there is danger you don't engage with him - speak to him or leave "presents"
- if you write that someone is a nutter harrassing Nic by (allegedly) drinking outside Nic's flat around Christmas - why give drop off Whisky? To provke trouble and write about it

I dropped off a bottle of whisky and a Christmas card. I’d given my neighbours wine, but as Nic’s stalker had taken to drinking whisky outside her cottage at 3am, leaving the empty bottle on her step, making my dogs bark, I figured he wasn’t a wine person.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/you/...bad-worse.html
My guess is that the Police are not taking action as they see Liz as part of the problem and deliberately provoking things
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