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Old 16-05-2016, 10:27
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I take fictitious to mean that not all events described are an accurate portrayal - like "scripted reality shows" - there is a basis of fact somehwere in there but they are embellished, edited and dramatized to show a specific "story"
Since she notoriously claims always to tell the truth, yet says to Private Eye that she has made things up, she is a liar whichever way you look at it. However, there is enough evidence to back up the facts that she is in financial trouble, that she does upset people wherever she goes and that the stalker neighbour is real. So I suspect the Private Eye claim is less than the truth.
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Old 16-05-2016, 11:04
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Since she notoriously claims always to tell the truth, yet says to Private Eye that she has made things up, she is a liar whichever way you look at it. However, there is enough evidence to back up the facts that she is in financial trouble, that she does upset people wherever she goes and that the stalker neighbour is real. So I suspect the Private Eye claim is less than the truth.
I think that both are part of the truth - the events are real but she embellishes them so that she is the star/victim. I don't see it as 100% truth/lie at all

I just do not get why Liz would deliberately engage with Nic's stalker - give him presents/do things to knowlingly annoy him?
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Old 16-05-2016, 11:34
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We were directed to this site by some neighbours who were getting increasingly concerned and volunteered to share some information which may help, as well as bring some justice to a situation in which speculation is spiralling out of control.

Ms Jones has made few friends locally since moving into Lawn House. She is very stand-offish, behaves erratically and has traduced the reputations of various locals, not least Jamie.

Jamie may be deaf but he is not stupid. Nor is he threatening, imbecilic, retarded or any other of the words that have been used here. When Ms Jones wanted to use grazing on Jamie's land, she was very happy for her gofer to sweet-talk Jamie to keep him sweet. They spent a great deal of time together. The most basic enquiries locally will confirm that they used to be very close. It is a matter of record that Jamie thought there was more to this than there was. He was never 'convicted of stalking', he had a conditional discharge and costs. He was extremely apologetic.

The horses are over Hornby Castle way and have been for months. Everybody knows this too. There is no question that Jamie is driving around trying to find them. Why would he?

He is a hard working farmer. It is a 24 hour-a-day job. Of course he is out at all hours. What farmer isn't? The idea that someone can arrive and demand the world revolves around her is absurd. When John sold the place, none of us could have anticipated the turmoil since. And as for the state of the house now! Well, all I can say is it's very sad.

We have heard that Ms Jones has to sell the house to pay some bills, mainly the taxman. It's a generally held opinion here that she is trying to scupper the sale so the house isn't auctioned. It's apparent that, in the current state, she is unlikely to sell anyway. Making out that her neighbour is a monster will help to reinforce her case that the house in unsaleable. It isn't, it will sell for the right price and there are local people who would be interested if it were to come to auction.

It's not right that she can write what she wants when it hurts others. It's not right that they have no voice. It's certainly not right that she is making so many people miserable.

I'm sorry if this seems to go on a bit, but if you're not local you don't know.
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Old 16-05-2016, 11:37
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The past few weeks have shown that Liz's judgement and probably mental health are not good at the moment. She seems desperate to provoke some sort of drama in order to play the victim - think of the sheer level of nasty rants against the baker.

Her response to the guy next door seems really wierd - it is clear that Nic was friends at one time with this guy
- if you feel there is danger you don't engage with him - speak to him or leave "presents"
- if you write that someone is a nutter harrassing Nic by (allegedly) drinking outside Nic's flat around Christmas - why give drop off Whisky? To provke trouble and write about
Exactly my thoughts.

This is not to suggest that in any way, shape or form I condone stalking or, indeed, threatening behaviour either verbal or physical. But there is something which seems extraordinarily odd about the whole thing, in terms of the manner in which LJ has - whether by design or by mistake - added fuel to some rather toxic flames.
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Old 16-05-2016, 11:53
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I can't make any sense out of this comment. If it's all fictitious then DominoDarling didn't have any conversations with her that were posted on here, so DominoDarling is Liz or an ally posting on here to set a fictitious background - Garnier Fructis, Prudence, text messages and the rest.

If it's all fictitious then so are her financial problems and the fact that her house is for sale for far less than she paid for it, which is in fact true because we can all access the details on the net.
But we know it to be fictitious! We saw the conversation as reported by DominoDarling and then we saw Liz's entirely different version of events. I don't believe that DD has any reason to lie, whereas Liz is a known exaggerator, embellisher of truths, story-teller, liar (depending on your viewpoint) and in every situation she twists the words and behaviour of anyone she doesn't like in order to make herself look like the hard-done-by victim who only ever tries to Do Good Things.

I suspect that there's a basic framework of fact in everything she writes, but she strays wildly from reporting the exact events and in doing so, denigrates almost everyone she discusses. This forum appears to be the only place with any right of reply, what with the DM moderators apparently only permitting about 5% of the negative comments through.
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Old 16-05-2016, 12:08
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We were directed to this site by some neighbours who were getting increasingly concerned and volunteered to share some information which may help, as well as bring some justice to a situation in which speculation is spiralling out of control.

Ms Jones has made few friends locally since moving into Lawn House. She is very stand-offish, behaves erratically and has traduced the reputations of various locals, not least Jamie.

Jamie may be deaf but he is not stupid. Nor is he threatening, imbecilic, retarded or any other of the words that have been used here. When Ms Jones wanted to use grazing on Jamie's land, she was very happy for her gofer to sweet-talk Jamie to keep him sweet. They spent a great deal of time together. The most basic enquiries locally will confirm that they used to be very close. It is a matter of record that Jamie thought there was more to this than there was. He was never 'convicted of stalking', he had a conditional discharge and costs. He was extremely apologetic.

The horses are over Hornby Castle way and have been for months. Everybody knows this too. There is no question that Jamie is driving around trying to find them. Why would he?

He is a hard working farmer. It is a 24 hour-a-day job. Of course he is out at all hours. What farmer isn't? The idea that someone can arrive and demand the world revolves around her is absurd. When John sold the place, none of us could have anticipated the turmoil since. And as for the state of the house now! Well, all I can say is it's very sad.

We have heard that Ms Jones has to sell the house to pay some bills, mainly the taxman. It's a generally held opinion here that she is trying to scupper the sale so the house isn't auctioned. It's apparent that, in the current state, she is unlikely to sell anyway. Making out that her neighbour is a monster will help to reinforce her case that the house in unsaleable. It isn't, it will sell for the right price and there are local people who would be interested if it were to come to auction.

It's not right that she can write what she wants when it hurts others. It's not right that they have no voice. It's certainly not right that she is making so many people miserable.

I'm sorry if this seems to go on a bit, but if you're not local you don't know.

This is pretty much what I expected. She is a liar by her own admission. The fact that she is distorting this is unforgiveable and I for one would love to see her taken to court for this blatant, vile attack on someone who doesn't deserve it. If I was his sister I'd be looking in to what I could do legally.
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Old 16-05-2016, 12:16
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Exactly my thoughts.

This is not to suggest that in any way, shape or form I condone stalking or, indeed, threatening behaviour either verbal or physical. But there is something which seems extraordinarily odd about the whole thing, in terms of the manner in which LJ has - whether by design or by mistake - added fuel to some rather toxic flames.
Sorry to quote myself, but I was timed-out before I could add something as an edit.

The "rather toxic flames" are ones which LJ fanned herself in the first place.

And I simply do not believe that the police would pass on an e-mail address.
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Old 16-05-2016, 12:28
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We were directed to this site by some neighbours who were getting increasingly concerned and volunteered to share some information which may help, as well as bring some justice to a situation in which speculation is spiralling out of control.....
...It's not right that she can write what she wants when it hurts others. It's not right that they have no voice. It's certainly not right that she is making so many people miserable.

I'm sorry if this seems to go on a bit, but if you're not local you don't know.
Thank you for posting. What you say is very similar to what people experienced in Dulverton. I am very uncomfortable about how she speaks of Jamie, she is dreadfully cruel at any time and I dare say not a natural at dealing with anyone who has special needs of any sort, although the irony of how she is treating a deaf person is off the scale.
I hope things improve for you soon and your little part of beautiful rural England can get back to normality.
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Old 16-05-2016, 12:29
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We were directed to this site by some neighbours who were getting increasingly concerned and volunteered to share some information which may help, as well as bring some justice to a situation in which speculation is spiralling out of control.

Ms Jones has made few friends locally since moving into Lawn House. She is very stand-offish, behaves erratically and has traduced the reputations of various locals, not least Jamie.

Jamie may be deaf but he is not stupid. Nor is he threatening, imbecilic, retarded or any other of the words that have been used here. When Ms Jones wanted to use grazing on Jamie's land, she was very happy for her gofer to sweet-talk Jamie to keep him sweet. They spent a great deal of time together. The most basic enquiries locally will confirm that they used to be very close. It is a matter of record that Jamie thought there was more to this than there was. He was never 'convicted of stalking', he had a conditional discharge and costs. He was extremely apologetic.

The horses are over Hornby Castle way and have been for months. Everybody knows this too. There is no question that Jamie is driving around trying to find them. Why would he?

He is a hard working farmer. It is a 24 hour-a-day job. Of course he is out at all hours. What farmer isn't? The idea that someone can arrive and demand the world revolves around her is absurd. When John sold the place, none of us could have anticipated the turmoil since. And as for the state of the house now! Well, all I can say is it's very sad.

We have heard that Ms Jones has to sell the house to pay some bills, mainly the taxman. It's a generally held opinion here that she is trying to scupper the sale so the house isn't auctioned. It's apparent that, in the current state, she is unlikely to sell anyway. Making out that her neighbour is a monster will help to reinforce her case that the house in unsaleable. It isn't, it will sell for the right price and there are local people who would be interested if it were to come to auction.

It's not right that she can write what she wants when it hurts others. It's not right that they have no voice. It's certainly not right that she is making so many people miserable.

I'm sorry if this seems to go on a bit, but if you're not local you don't know.
Thank you, knowledgepower, for sharing this, from 'the front line' as it were.

The whole thing is awful - and having read the article posted earlier http://www.capitalbay.news/news/7354...3100-fine.html - by another DS, it is disgraceful that Jones should use a public forum, i.e. the MoS, to further traduce the unfortunate man. Sure, he obviously has problems -being deaf and having speech difficulties - well, you'd think Jones would sympathise, as she claims to be 'profoundly deaf', but from reading that article (I hadn't seen it before until today), he and Nic had a fairly good relationship - friendly and helpful. So he got the wrong idea, mistaking friendship for something more ... these things happen, especially with someone vulnerable and probably very lonely - and hence the problems started.

Jones is just stoking things up - column fodder, of course, and reinforcing her 'victim' status. Sure, the recent encounter must have been frightening but again, IS there an element of exaggeration? Why does she confront him instead of just walking away? And emailing the man's sister and going off on one about how he keeps his animals, instead of sticking to the point that he apparently frightened her? And I still don't really believe that the Police would pass on his sister's email address.

Anyway, thanks again for posting here. I fear that even IF Jones does have to sell up and move, wherever she goes, there'll be the inevitable problems with neighbours. And all THEIR fault, of course - nothing to do with Ms Jones's attitude! Meanwhile, you and your other neighbours have my deepest sympathy - it must be a horrid situation for you all. Let's hope she IS forced to sell up - believe me, HMRC won't stand for any nonsense - they want their money and if it means the house goes up for auction, up for auction it will go! And good luck to HMRC, I hope they get the back tax Jones owes - and you get rid of someone who, frankly, is becoming almost malicious in writing about people who, as you point out, have no right of reply.

And I hope the new owners of the house are really nice people -and by the way, it comes across in your post that you all look out for, and sympathise with, Jamie. The MoS should be thoroughly ashamed of itself for permitting Jones to try to settle scores in print - my old editor (I was a journo all my working life) would never have allowed it.
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Old 16-05-2016, 12:30
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We were directed to this site by some neighbours who were getting increasingly concerned and volunteered to share some information which may help, as well as bring some justice to a situation in which speculation is spiralling out of control.

Ms Jones has made few friends locally since moving into Lawn House. She is very stand-offish, behaves erratically and has traduced the reputations of various locals, not least Jamie.

Jamie may be deaf but he is not stupid. Nor is he threatening, imbecilic, retarded or any other of the words that have been used here. When Ms Jones wanted to use grazing on Jamie's land, she was very happy for her gofer to sweet-talk Jamie to keep him sweet. They spent a great deal of time together. The most basic enquiries locally will confirm that they used to be very close. It is a matter of record that Jamie thought there was more to this than there was. He was never 'convicted of stalking', he had a conditional discharge and costs. He was extremely apologetic.

The horses are over Hornby Castle way and have been for months. Everybody knows this too. There is no question that Jamie is driving around trying to find them. Why would he?

He is a hard working farmer. It is a 24 hour-a-day job. Of course he is out at all hours. What farmer isn't? The idea that someone can arrive and demand the world revolves around her is absurd. When John sold the place, none of us could have anticipated the turmoil since. And as for the state of the house now! Well, all I can say is it's very sad.

We have heard that Ms Jones has to sell the house to pay some bills, mainly the taxman. It's a generally held opinion here that she is trying to scupper the sale so the house isn't auctioned. It's apparent that, in the current state, she is unlikely to sell anyway. Making out that her neighbour is a monster will help to reinforce her case that the house in unsaleable. It isn't, it will sell for the right price and there are local people who would be interested if it were to come to auction.

It's not right that she can write what she wants when it hurts others. It's not right that they have no voice. It's certainly not right that she is making so many people miserable.

I'm sorry if this seems to go on a bit, but if you're not local you don't know.
I have a friend who lives near Dulverton (where she lived in Somerset) and having heard the horror stories of her idea of being 'neighbourly', I have to say that none of what you say surprises me, knowledgepower. Good luck to all the locals, I hope the house sells asap for your sakes.
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Old 16-05-2016, 13:50
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This is pretty much what I expected. She is a liar by her own admission. The fact that she is distorting this is unforgiveable and I for one would love to see her taken to court for this blatant, vile attack on someone who doesn't deserve it. If I was his sister I'd be looking in to what I could do legally.
The article is worded very cleverly-she accuses him of "jabbing" her chest, I would suggest she left out the word "at", not unreasonable or unusual for somebody signing angrily. The way it jumps between instances make it unclear exactly what happened and exactly when it happened. Again I ask how does she know what condition his calf pens are in unless she is trespassing or spying on him. How did Nic find the "for sale" sign behind his house? Why would you give someone who has made your life "hell" a bottle of whiskey and a Christmas card? none of it adds up because half of it was nonsense.
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Old 16-05-2016, 16:35
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If she's been lying about her financial circumstances it makes situations like this extremely worrying, since that's essentially theft and fraud. I always thought it was despicable that she accepted money from readers, especially when many of them were living on fixed incomes.
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Old 16-05-2016, 17:42
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If she's been lying about her financial circumstances it makes situations like this extremely worrying, since that's essentially theft and fraud. I always thought it was despicable that she accepted money from readers, especially when many of them were living on fixed incomes.
tszujme, when, so she claimed, readers were sending her money (this was a few years back, when she was whining about being penniless), she said she donated the cash to some charity - for horses, I think, or some other animal charity. Can't remember specific details. She did say that where she had an address, she returned the money to the sender.

I've often wondered how true her claim that all these sympathetic readers were sending her cash was - did her fans REALLY put a fiver or tenner, or a cheque, in an envelope and send it off?

Hey, just had an idea. Liz - I know you read this - how about starting a 'Crowd Funding' website to pay off those nasty HMRC people? It's so UNFAIR that they're hounding you - after all, as the late American multi millionairess Leona Helmsley once so memorably announced: 'Only little people pay taxes'. (I believe she ended up in prison).
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Old 16-05-2016, 17:53
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If she's been lying about her financial circumstances it makes situations like this extremely worrying, since that's essentially theft and fraud. I always thought it was despicable that she accepted money from readers, especially when many of them were living on fixed incomes.
That article is dated 2010 (when she still had the BA High Life work as well as the Daily Mail and the MOS contracts), so although she was skint enough to take money from gullible Mail readers, somehow between then and now she's managed to buy a million pound house and a convertible Mercedes. Who on earth lent her the money?
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Old 16-05-2016, 18:18
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The article is worded very cleverly-she accuses him of "jabbing" her chest, I would suggest she left out the word "at", not unreasonable or unusual for somebody signing angrily. The way it jumps between instances make it unclear exactly what happened and exactly when it happened. Again I ask how does she know what condition his calf pens are in unless she is trespassing or spying on him. How did Nic find the "for sale" sign behind his house? Why would you give someone who has made your life "hell" a bottle of whiskey and a Christmas card? none of it adds up because half of it was nonsense.
Quite, pixieboots. If the guy actually MADE CONTACT with the Liz chest, then that could be construed as assault. However, as someone else pointed out here, sign language often does look very 'emphatic' and (non contact) finger jabbing may well have been part of the man's signing. As for the head butting attempt - sorry, doesn't ring true. I ask again, WHY didn't she just walk away, instead of engaging with him? But of course ... it all makes great column fodder. And I think we all realise, from years of 'Diaries' and 'Farticles', that she does seem to relish confrontations - whether it's with the Police, some unfortunate hotel receptionist, shop assistant ... so she can then whinge and moan about the exchange, and collect whatever she gets paid per word for writing about it.
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Old 16-05-2016, 23:33
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If she's been lying about her financial circumstances it makes situations like this extremely worrying, since that's essentially theft and fraud. I always thought it was despicable that she accepted money from readers, especially when many of them were living on fixed incomes.
This incident was very swiftly proven to be, if not a flat-out lie, then at least a huge exaggeration. She claimed the letters started arriving the day after the original article was published... on a Sunday. And someone (OK, it was me) called the convenience store where she claimed someone working there had sent her a scratchcard. I was AMAZED to be told that no-one of that name worked there.
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Old 17-05-2016, 08:37
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Why would you give someone who has made your life "hell" a bottle of whiskey and a Christmas card?
Because you hope to create some drama in your life, generating weeks and weeks of column bilge. Look how much how material she got from her fiance leaving after she told him to. Imagine what she could have done with the neighbour knocking at her door.
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Old 17-05-2016, 11:16
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I was thinking about the omissions in LJ's recounting of the DominoDarling encounter - for example, did she tell her devoted readers that she'd logged in to David's FB account and was reading his PMs (Private Messages - the clue is in the name)? No she did not. So I wonder how much has been omitted in the tale of this alleged stalker neighbour, and what exactly LJ did to him to make him react this way?

In my experience, people don't just suddenly turn on you for no reason, yet if Liz is to be believed*, this happens to her all the time. Strangers in shops, policemen, neighbours, friends - they are apparently all somehow predisposed to behaving like @rses to poor hard done by Lizzie who is only ever kind and generous to everybody.

Hmmmm, if only she could work out what the common factor is in all these situations.


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Old 17-05-2016, 22:42
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I want to say that the neighbour story being an exaggeration is why, when Nic went AWOL all afternoon at Christmas, Liz showed no concern for Nic's safety despite knowing the guy had been up to the house that day. But no. Even if Ed Gein were on the loose nearby I doubt she'd have shown any concern for Nic's safety ...
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Old 18-05-2016, 02:54
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I want to say that the neighbour story being an exaggeration is why, when Nic went AWOL all afternoon at Christmas, Liz showed no concern for Nic's safety despite knowing the guy had been up to the house that day. But no. Even if Ed Gein were on the loose nearby I doubt she'd have shown any concern for Nic's safety ...
Exactly this..and she gives him a bottle of spirits but it didn't pan out her way

I originally thought that it was a ploy to get the neighbour evicted so that she could get the lease on the land somehow.
I think it's pretty funny if she really thinks that making the house unsellable would work.
HMRC say.."awww,well go on and keep it cos we won't get a good price"
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Old 18-05-2016, 06:35
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It's tempting - but not quite tempting enough... yet - to blow a few quid on a train ticket to Richmond, pose as a potential buyer and kill two birds with one stone by meeting the rancid old hag in person while checking out exactly how run-down the house is.
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Old 18-05-2016, 07:03
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Oh please do that. We could crowdfund it.
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Old 18-05-2016, 07:46
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Please don't-that's the kind of thing LJ herself would do and we would all rightly criticise her for
Its also a bit stalkery-she'd get miles of columns out of that. If what K posted is true the house will languish on the market til an auction is forced and then it will be snapped up for a song by a local who knows the area and the neighbours. Looking at other properties in the area its overpriced now.
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Old 18-05-2016, 10:05
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It's tempting - but not quite tempting enough... yet - to blow a few quid on a train ticket to Richmond, pose as a potential buyer and kill two birds with one stone by meeting the rancid old hag in person while checking out exactly how run-down the house is.
Ooh yes, Bellagio - I'm sending you a £1 Postal Order towards the train fare.

I'm one of the lucky people who has actually seen Liz, in Islington, where I live which is not far, actually, from Gibson Square, where she lived before moving to Somerset. Gibson Square is beautiful and house prices there now - think £2.5 million and up up up. Frankly, I think she was bonkers to sell it and move, just for the sake of a horse (so she claims).

What struck me about her mostly was her godawful long, witchy hair. Plus a really miserable face. I was tempted to stop her and instigate a chat, but thought better of it.
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Old 18-05-2016, 12:01
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Oh please do that. We could crowdfund it.
Definitely not.

That would put posters in the stalker league, could be traced back here and then anyone encouraging it might be in the horse's doo-doo.

Let Liz get on with it.
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