That's why I get confused about Vegans - I know Liz talks about goats cheese (surely not vegan or vegetarian) but believe I have heard of vegan parmesan, or do I mean vegetarian? I think they drink almond milk, not sure about coconut milk. Is there a butter substitute or can they use margarine? Where on earth do they get their protein from? Nuts? (Mind you, all the vegans I know look so scraggy!!) I cannot cope with the vegetarians who eat fish - "lobster is delicious" - yes, possibly, but people who eat it are as bad as those blasted Chinese who boil cats and dogs to death, because that's how you kill a lobster! I do get very confused!!!

Why not google 'protein sources for vegans' and educate yourself.

Vegetarians don't eat anything that involves an animal dying - meat, fish, cheese with animal rennet - or wear leather or silk. It's possible to make cheese with a veg-based rennet subsitute.

Vegans extend this to any animal produce at all, including milk, eggs, honey etc They can use any of the non-dairy milks like soya, almond, coconut and they contain quite a lot of protein. Vegans get most protein from beans and pulses. Quorn is vegan and provides a lot of protein so any of the Quorn things in supermarkets - pies, 'chicken' slices etc - are okay. They usually won't wear any animal fibres as they say wool production exploits the sheep. I know one vegan who says rice isn't vegan-friendly but he's never given me a reason why this is and I'm at a loss to see what the objection to it is.

A vegan wouldn't eat an egg white omelette using the argument that the yolk is what develops into a chicken, because to use the white you still use a whole egg then throw away part of it. Neither would a vegan wear leather or silk so the smell of burning Myla knickers is constant in her witterings.

fizzycat Re your acquaintance's opinion is that rice isn't 'vegan friendly'. Maybe because paddy-fields growing rice are sometimes nourished with human waste ... so that it could be said, the rice is grown with the help of the, er. cr*p from non-vegan persons. Still, being a 'vegan' in Jones's la-la land is obviously a bit 'pick 'n mix'. Soft buttery leather OK. Lumps of sheep and cows in her local Co-op NOT OK.

Which reminds me - in the Slough, Berkshire area, many fields of cabbages and other green veg are sprayed with 'Cinagro'. (See how it spells backwards). It's actually a processed derivative of human waste. So - does that make your Berkshire cabbage or cauliflower none-vegan?

Hate to think of the smell of burning Myla knickers ... all the tetrachloride embedded into them ... yuk!

I never knew that.

*Goes into kitchen to throw out rice that was simmering gently there.*

Erm, carbon tetrachloride has virtually no flammability, hence its use in fire extinguishers. I dislike the smell of the compound, but some like it

I stand corrected, vampire. Didn't know carbon tetrachloride was not flammable. And - I have no personal experience - I would imagine that the smell of pure silk knickers in flames wouldn't be that awful. I do believe that in the case of silk, once burned, there would be just a little pile of ashy powder. Unlike polyester or similar material, which, I understand, leaves a sticky residue.

Anyway, am looking forward to tomorrow's 'Dreary', in which perhaps Jones is rescued by last minute intervention by sympathetic HMRC and assorted creditors ... or moves into The Baker's Brixton love-nest. Maybe brings her own light-bulb for his bathroom? Heaven forefend she'd have to depilate/dye/apply various unguents by Diptique candlelight.

Ah, yes ... How could I forget her impassioned plea to the Duchess of Cambridge not to wear a silk wedding dress, but the dry-cleaned Mylas are A-OK

But if nobody ate all the chickens, egg, cows, sheep etc, what would happen in the future? Wouldn't they just not be needed so vanish from the scene? I assume we would have to use our own cr*p to fertilise our vegetables then! Would the world's seas stay in a decent state without fish doing whatever they do? It doesn't sound much fun!

There have been numerous studies and in-depth articles about this very subject. This is a massive oversimplification but the rough consensus is it would be amazing for the environment but economically disastrous, especially in developing countries.

http://www.slate.com/articles/health...tibiotics.html

http://conservationmagazine.org/2016...y-save-planet/

https://www.indy100.com/article/what...n--b1ggUk2tWgW

In which she doesn't eat for TWO WHOLE DAYS, and the car breaks down. Again.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/you/...ddle-moor.html

Honestly, total click bait again to try and con us all into feeling sympathy for the financial mess that is of her own making!

In which we learn that she hasn't bothered settling her £300 bill at the local garage and can't return there. Karma.

And yet on the front page, she writes about how she's been an anorexic all her life and lives on a few nuts and apples, so the not eating for two days probably wouldn't be such a big deal. But she can't miss an opportunity to try and make her story worse/gain more sympathy!

Many thanks, Tsujme. will read them later.

Question: has she not heard of coaches and trains? Could she not have gone down to her sister's the day before? And where is this ferocious amount of copy she has to submit printed? The usual two shortish articles in the Wail don't take that much time, do they? And why oh why hasn't she rehomed her animals? Much as she loves them, it isn't fair on them to be dragged about and feel her stress all the time. "No human could endure ..." What about all gthe poor people in Syria and throughout the Middle East and North Africa who have no food, homes or future?

Simply hand back the house keys and leave.

This is something that has always fascinated me, if the world went veggie those animals would cease to exist.

She is a nut. That article, although it makes some good points, just highlighted her narcissism and reminded me why I very rarely read her column. I did comment there but just came here for a rant

Or, it is really the fault of the debt specialist, insolvency practitioner, solicitor, and the accountant? Not only did they demand to be paid upfront (wonder why?) but they didn't make all her problems go away!

So - she's facing bankruptcy (in 2015) in THREE DAYS' TIME and then seeks advice from the Wail's financial editor, debt counsellor, insolvency practitioner etc? Didn't she know it was looming? Talk about last minute ...

Anyway, according to this: https://www.insolvencydirect.bis.gov...127&CaseType=I
it's an IVA she's subject to. And brought it all on herself. Spending like there's no tomorrow, seemingly forgetting boring stuff like 'Income Tax' and other creditors. And, incidentally, HMRC can't 'make' anyone buy anything. What did they do - haul her by her Midnight Storm tresses to some car auction and force her buy a thousand quid old banger? Oh please.

The world will never go veggie. There are too many places where crops fail again and again. And too many of us like the taste of meat.

I lived in Yorkshire for 3 years. And I loved it. But then, I'm not a whinging, whining, fud like Jones.

And a lot of us need to have a low carb diet which isn't compatible with a veggie or vegan diet.

I used to be veggie and tried a few times to go vegan but it had to come to an end when I became diabetic. The only way my blood glucose stays stable is on a high protein diet - I know there's protein available in pulses but there's a higher level of carbs. I can't live on just cheese and eggs every day as my protein source so meat and fish had to come back.

Nail hit on head Jennifer. Hand the keys over, and move back to London.
She hates the country anyway she says, so she,ll not miss anything.

She won't listen to advice though. I've lost count of the number of psychologists, life planners, gurus, makeover experts and general sort-yourself-out-type people she's consulted over the years (all for "work", obviously, so she doesn't have to pay). All of them have had at least some good advice. Has she taken any of it? Nope. She dutifully bashes out some nonsense words about how this is going to change things and then goes right back to her old patterns.
All the financial advice she's had, and even the terms of her IVA, haven't stopped her thinking she has some kind of divine right to eat in Michelin starred restaurants and have her hair done at Harrods. She's an arse, and deserves everything that's happening to her.

How very silly of me! Of course Liz isn't to blame for her own financial issues! How could she be? Of course the debt specialist, insolvency practitioner, solicitor, and the accountant are to blame for Liz's life choices!