Originally Posted by Bellagio:
“A simple question for astor: do you condone Jones' practise of altering her stories to fit, her blatant lies and her equally blatant plagiarism of the words of other, passing their experiences off as her own ? A straight yes or no please.”
@ astor - are you actually going to answer these points using yes or no answers? As an English teacher it's very noticeable that you avoid giving a straight answer to anything that actually addresses in simple terms what you've been asked. You attempt to deflect the issue by being sarcastic, condescending and evasive, but as an 'outsider' in this debate I have to say it makes you look very silly when you've been asked simple questions, yet fail to give simple answers (or deliberately evasive ones).
The key word in what you've been asked is 'condone'
* - do you condone these things? Do you condone Ms Jones altering stories to fit her purpose? Do you condone her blatant lies? Do you condone the plagiarism of other people's words, passing them off as her own? Three simple questions requiring three, very simple one word answers for each one.
One only has to have a passing acquaintance with Ms Jones' output to know that she is inconsistent in her 'facts' and lacking in continuity when it comes to who did and said what and when - something that many have pointed out, perfectly reasonably from what I've seen.
Originally Posted by astor:
“Gosh Bellagio, I didn't realise you were actually there on the trip with Liz, witnessing & logging everything!
As for "googling" and researching Liz - that's obviously your
little hobby, not mine.”
@ astor - again, a deflective response that does not address what was said or meant (and you know it). Bellagio merely quoted, word for word, extracts from two articles which directly contradicted each other with regards to who said and experienced what. He didn't need to be there to witness events - Ms Jones showed up herself, and her passing off of someone else's experiences and words as her own, all by herself! I believe a good expression at this point could be 'hoist by her own petard' - she dug herself a hole and fell right into it. If others have noticed it, and pointed it out, then Ms Jones has no one to blame but herself for committing plagiarism in print. No one else HAD to be there to witness events, you see, once Ms Jones contradicted herself in print - a point you seem to have overlooked in your haste to employ what you thought was a 'clever' answer, but in fact has just made you look rather silly. A bit rich you accuse others of being silly (e.g. by your
assumptions of how they spend their time, not through any hard evidence of your own about how they do) only to fail to see how ridiculous your own defensive and deflective posts are!
I am, as I say, looking forward to your three
straight yes or no answers as to whether you condone
* a) Ms Jones' altering of stories to fit her purpose, b) her lies (or direct contradiction of things she's previous on record to have said/reported if you prefer) and c) her plagiarism/passing off other's words, thoughts and feelings as her own.
* To condone = to overlook, to excuse, to forgive, to pardon, to tolerate, to close the eyes to. Just to clarify what it is you're being asked to comment on by using either 'yes' or 'no' answers...