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Old 06-11-2013, 22:13
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Oh and I don't think she is 'insane'. I think she is fully aware of her actions, but is selfish and mercenary to the bone.
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Old 06-11-2013, 22:15
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If you are seriously questioning who she is hurting, then I suspect your review of her output hasn't been as thorough as you think.
I think I've just answered this... but I have enough to do keeping on top of my own personal balance sheet of debits and credits without analysing those of someone else.
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Old 06-11-2013, 22:21
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Cross posting is sometimes inevitable, unfortunately.

I'm still not convinced a thorough review of her behaviour would allow room for 'compassion'. Sometimes people simply reap as they sow. As at least two of my personal acquaintances have been injured by her vitriol, I find myself compassion fatigued when it comes to this 'journalist'. Please don't insult my intelligence by dressing up your defence of her as 'liberalism'. I would be more impressed by some honesty about your real agenda.
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Old 06-11-2013, 22:26
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May I refer you back to several articles linked, I believe, by Fatsia. Including one where she pictured her mother lying in bed - her mother is incapable due to her condition of giving consent, so you may say it did not hurt her. But it hurt other members of the family. Also an article about her brother's funeral which I linked. There are others, where the subjects or their families have been distressed by what they read. You mention "Disgrace", who obviously has not given his permission for his friends to be quoted in her writings, but she carries on doing so. She is incapable of discretion.
Paula, I agree with all of that. I've read the same stories in the DM and commented adversely on most of them... but these are private matters between family members, and with Lizard's conscience. I do believe in karma... and what goes around comes around.

This is a really perverse situation for me this evening, because in far too many respects I can stare at myself in the mirror and see the Lizard with her prancing horse tattoo staring back. And it ain't pretty !
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Old 06-11-2013, 22:30
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Do you have a history of selling out your friends and family too then?
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Old 06-11-2013, 22:32
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Cross posting is sometimes inevitable, unfortunately.

I'm still not convinced a thorough review of her behaviour would allow room for 'compassion'. Sometimes people simply reap as they sow. As at least two of my personal acquaintances have been injured by her vitriol, I find myself compassion fatigued when it comes to this 'journalist'. Please don't insult my intelligence by dressing up your defence of her as 'liberalism'. I would be more impressed by some honesty about your real agenda.
I don't have an agenda, other than to look at myself in the mirror every morning and see what stares back.

I've read all of Lizard's postings for the past five years, I don't think that I've missed many... and what I see is a sad, neurotic, basket-case who has made a better job of screwing-up her own life than those around her.

When I take off my beer-goggles and see myself, I truthfully don't see someone too different... may be in terms of scale, but fundamentally no different.

The only agenda I do have is to understand myself better, and my initial posting last night underlines this.
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Old 06-11-2013, 22:37
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Do you have a history of selling out your friends and family too then?
It depends what you mean by 'selling-out'.

No, I've never intentionally sought to exploit my friendships... of course not; but have I always been honest and open with those around me ? No.
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Old 06-11-2013, 22:40
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I don't have an agenda, other than to look at myself in the mirror every morning and see what stares back.

I've read all of Lizard's postings for the past five years, I don't think that I've missed many... and what I see is a sad, neurotic, basket-case who has made a better job of screwing-up her own life than those around her.

When I take off my beer-goggles and see myself, I truthfully don't see someone too different... may be in terms of scale, but fundamentally no different.

The only agenda I do have is to understand myself better, and my initial posting last night underlines this.
While I totally agree that the person who is screwing up Liz Jones's life is Liz Jones herself, that doesn't give her the right to screw up other people's. I'm sure none of us posting here would claim to to be perfect, but I would hope that we try to behave with a little more compassion to others: she doesn't seem to know the meaning of the word. She has admitted in interviews that she is incapable of putting anything above her need to write about anything and anybody in her life. She is paid vast sums of money to do this, but it still doesn't make what she does right.
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Old 06-11-2013, 22:41
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I don't have an agenda, other than to look at myself in the mirror every morning and see what stares back.

I've read all of Lizard's postings for the past five years, I don't think that I've missed many... and what I see is a sad, neurotic, basket-case who has made a better job of screwing-up her own life than those around her.

When I take off my beer-goggles and see myself, I truthfully don't see someone too different... may be in terms of scale, but fundamentally no different.

The only agenda I do have is to understand myself better, and my initial posting last night underlines this.
It's all a bit deep innit?

Perhaps going into therapy might be an option if you want to look inside yourself, rather than discussing your personal mindset on a showbiz forum?

Liz Jones certainly needs therapy, and she's had courses with various people in order to write columns about it for the DM.

Unfortunately it doesn't seem to have worked.
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Old 06-11-2013, 22:42
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Liv,

It's been a pleasure communicating with you tonight. I must now head to the bathroom before bed and see what stares back at me.

Hopefully it won't be a 'Fatal Attraction' moment where I see Lizard standing behind me with a knife. And on the positive-side at least I don't have a bunny to boil... and if I did, I sense that it would be heading east towards the Reeth zoo rather than in to a pressure-cooker.

Good night !
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Old 06-11-2013, 22:44
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It's all a bit deep innit?
Cheeky f***er. Good night !
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Old 06-11-2013, 22:46
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Cheeky f***er. Good night !
I pride myself on my cheek Mr C.

Sweet dreams, and don't have nightmares about looking in the mirror to see what's staring back.........it might be LIZ JONES!

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Old 06-11-2013, 22:47
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I'm not sure there is a neat, clinical answer to why we have a macabre fascination with things that horrify us. Perhaps you need to come to terms with your own demons, before you try to diminish hers? You might not have intended to 'defend' her, but by suggesting that we all might identify with the worst excesses of her behaviour, your defense of the indefensible was implicit.
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Old 06-11-2013, 22:47
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Well, I'm awaiting the next installment of the Dreary to see if she talks about ANYTHING other than Mr Scarce...of course, she won't, but I do wonder how long she can string out the Mills and Boone nonsense.

What I DO find sad about Liz Jones, since the subject of compassion has come up here, is if she worked for any other organisation she would have been fired ages ago on the grounds of mental instability, which I think is something that should have happened for her years ago. Yet our press, being as vile and hateful as they are, are more than happy to revel in openly exploiting someone's illness. That is the one nice thing I can say about LJ - that as crackers as she is, she's clearly being used and abused by her employers who are even more twisted than she is.
I'm so cynical that I wonder whether she is actually as crackers as she portrays. Regarding the latest "rumours", I wonder if she was hoping to write some tell-all article about "My Drug Shame" in a few weeks/months time. In the meantime, she would have been enjoying the coke-delusions as a remedy to her running out of real things to write about.
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Old 06-11-2013, 22:50
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but have I always been honest and open with those around me ? No.
Perhaps the first honest thing you've said tonight, chum.
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Old 06-11-2013, 23:17
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It's interesting that Liz seems to follow almost exactly the same pattern every time she gets into trouble for overstepping the mark in print. It goes like this:

(1) She writes something in print that is massively unkind/thoughtless/cruel/spiteful/hurtful to someone else. (Insulting Clare Balding, exploiting relatives' personal tragedies, using a distressing image of her mother in bed, being rude about Kirstie Allsop's "fat", quoting the emails of people who have asked her not to, ignoring the wishes of people who have specifically asked not to be written about....the list goes on).

(2) Some sort of backlash occurs....complaints from the affected party, reader outrage, requests from family members to withdraw the photo, etc.

(3) She reacts to this perfectly justified criticism by playing the victim, accusing the complainer of "dripping poison" or "delivering jellyfish stings" or "bullying" or being a "vile troll."

At this point, either she defiantly repeats the original offence (her response when Kirstie Allsop complained to the editor was to write the exact same insult again the following week.) ...or she tries to backtrack and rewrite history to present herself as the innocent party, claiming "I only said"...(insert something far more acceptable than her actual words, even though the actual words are easily checkable online).

The text message episode in last week's Diary was a classic example of this. The original article was there online for all to see, with the line about the text message blatantly (and unforgivably) giving away the identity of the person she was talking about. Yet she still tried to wriggle out of it when challenged, claiming she just said "X" and pretending she gave no clues as to who she was talking about.

She then made matters worse by going off on the usual petulant, whiny, passive-aggressive rant about how badly treated she is by all the nasty bullies, and ending the column with the usual whinge that she "can't do this any more." As always, she doesn't seem to even consider for a second that she is not the victim of the situation, and that she has brought any criticism entirely upon herself by trampling over other people's feelings and wishes.


I'm not sure there is a neat, clinical answer to why we have a macabre fascination with things that horrify us. .
You've summed it up perfectly there. There's something horribly compelling about observing really awful behaviour. I've noticed that some of the regulars on this thread share two of my other "love-to-hate" figures: Jeremy Kyle and Katie Hopkins. Both of them remind me of Liz a little, in that they behave appallingly while somehow claiming the moral high ground (and, like Liz, they both become personally insulting and rude towards anyone who criticises them.) I find them fascinating in their sheer horridness, and it's a similar thing with Liz.
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Old 06-11-2013, 23:56
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I've read the same stories in the DM and commented adversely on most of them... but these are private matters between family members, and with Lizard's conscience.
No, they are not - they should be but Jones has persistently aired her family business in public, either in the Wail or in her books. The words "shame", "tact", "compassion"* and "discretion" aren't in her lexicon.

[* - unless you're an animal]
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Old 07-11-2013, 00:29
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I'm so cynical that I wonder whether she is actually as crackers as she portrays.Regarding the latest "rumours", I wonder if she was hoping to write some tell-all article about "My Drug Shame" in a few weeks/months time. In the meantime, she would have been enjoying the coke-delusions as a remedy to her running out of real things to write about.
Nothing would shock me when it comes to the woman. Then again surely only a damaged mind could write that article she did about Jo Yeates, and the even worst one about her own mother - which is one of the most henious things I've ever seen in print.
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Old 07-11-2013, 01:26
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Why are there suddenly brand new DS members on the thread? I know we all join at some point but seems a strange place to start.
Rumours eh?
Poor ickle Lizzie is misunderstood...NOT
She knows exactly what she does, and yes it pays her well. Most of us have a line that we draw though. The majority of people would not betray everyone in their life for a bigger salary.
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Old 07-11-2013, 03:14
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Why are there suddenly brand new DS members on the thread?
I signed up mainly due to the showbiz forum and this was one of the first threads that caught my eye. I've read through quite a bit of it just to see what other people thought on the more famous Lizard moments (the aforementioned Jo Yeates and her own mother farticles) and it's nice to be in good company among fellow Lizard loathers.

My mother reads the Daily Mail (I have no idea why, she's actually an intelligent woman and a lovely human being, but we all have our flaws! ) so I tend to get exposed to some of the content whether I want to or not, and it's good to vent.

Hopefully no more posts will be pruned. I think it's worthwhile to be able to keep an eye on Lizard and her lies.
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Old 07-11-2013, 09:22
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I too feel compassion for people wounded by the Lizard tongue... though I doubt there are as many as one would believe. I think that most will dismiss her antics as those of the 'loony' that she is and disregard them.
I'm not sure I agree with you there.. Off the top of my head:

Her own family (they have all disowned her now)
Jo Yeates' family and friends (clearly)
India Knight and her husband (formerly Liz's BFF, now allegedly gay according to Liz)
The previous owner of one of the horses, a victim of her neglect
Most of her old friends (who have also disowned her, and she says 'I have no friends' until she needs a convenient one to make her point)
Ex-husband Nirpal Dhaliwal's family? (she said she only married him to have something to write about, presumably his loved ones have some feelings about that?)
The ex-partner of David Scrace, clearly indicated (even though not specifically named) in the most recent Liary

She's also had an unnecessary stab at all of the following celebrities who, although presumably less hurt personally, have still been attacked by this compassionless woman:

Clare Balding, Kirstie Allsop, Rihanna, Kate Moss, Tess Daly

The only person consistently in her life seems to be her assistant Nic. Whom she pays. And who I think actually does look after the menagerie (thank goodness somebody does!)

I can only surmise that either she genuinely doesn't realise that her nasty words and vitriolic words hurt people, or that she genuinely doesn't care. Either way, I feel no compulsion to hold back on my vitriol towards her. If she can say what she likes, so can we.

ETA (sorry, just thought of this):
If she were to come out and say that a lot of what she writes is nonsense, part of a persona (thinking of Simon Cowell etc, that 'pantomime villain' type role) then maybe a lot of what she writes would be more forgivable. But at every opportunity she tells us that she's "brutally honest" and that she only writes "the truth". So she actually believes all this bobbins she writes.
Heaven help her if she ever becomes really disabled and some selfish woman parks in the disabled bays. Or if she needs medication that makes her gain weight and has her own 'feet like hams' and 'viennetta rolls of back fat'. Or if the banks finally close her down and she has to wear a *gasp* high street woolly - the HORROR.
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Old 07-11-2013, 09:26
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[quote=sunstone;69630920]Why are there suddenly brand new DS members on the thread? I know we all join at some point but seems a strange place to start.

I appear to be completely new as several of my posts mysteriously disappeared. It is not a strange place for me to start on DS though, as I only joined for Lizard discussions.

My name is Liv and I confess to my morbid fascination with La Lizard. I think I've become addicted to seeing just how low a person can stoop before somebody, (somebody, anybody, please???) stops her.

I do wonder about other new posters' agenda though.
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Old 07-11-2013, 09:44
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Fatsia, don't forget Holly Willoughby who she's had a few nasty swipes at:

"I appeared on This Morning on Thursday to discuss this very topic. I was being interrogated by Holly Willoughby, who has either just given birth, or is just about to, I couldn’t be sure (I know that is a terrible thing to say, but she riled me)."

That's one of a few examples, This particular one I find particularly disgusting as Lizard has proclaimed herself a champion for plus-size models and claims to be borderline anorexic. She has also slagged off other celebs about their weight/size. As I recall, Holly looked lovely, normal, and healthy in that interview. I've never met Lizard, but I hate her with a passion.
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Old 07-11-2013, 09:46
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I also remembered that Lizard said quite recently that she couldn't understand Philip Schofield's vitriol towards her as she's "never said anything nasty about Holly" (!!!)
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Old 07-11-2013, 10:06
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I really enjoy this thread. There are quite a few writers on here who are much wittier than some DM columnists.
Sometimes people disagree,( and there are some LJ supporters who post here), but mainly the debate remains amicable.

I finally read up on the Mills & Boon poop...maybe I shouldn't have.
Nirpal got abuse for his fat thighs ( never looked fat to me ) Is DisScrace going to get slated for leaving his long grey hairs around the house? but heck they could belong to LJ or one of her fanimals.
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