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Old 11-01-2013, 19:41
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Why do they need to keep showing him on the news programmes every time they run a story about him?

Everyone knows what he looks like and the people that suffered because of him don't want to be reminded.
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Old 11-01-2013, 19:45
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I'd like to know how many offences were reported to the Police, what was reported, when, and what was done.

I believe a case was presented to the CPS back in the late 1990's but are there, and could there, have been any more?

I've very quickly scanned the Yewtree report but it seems vague regarding allegations made to the Police and only mentions file/s lost and an investigator now dead so facts can't be verified.

I would also like to know how many official complaints were made to the hospitals and the BBC and whether these were ignored.

I feel I have not got the full details of how JS was able to continue his abuse for decades.
I know the NHS are carrying out their own investigation(s), the BBC as well although the results of theirs won't be made entirely public apparently, im not sure about other organisations he was involved with?.

I haven't read the full report but I read yesterday mention that it would help shed light on why he hadn't been pursued more by the police - is there much news about that?.
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Old 11-01-2013, 19:49
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One just wandered into my single hospital room with no say so from anyone I know a year ago and started chatting to me. No-one in the hospital mentioned it and it made me feel very uncomfortable. So I suppose someone 'known' by the hospital can do this?
Though anyone on the hospital staff can enter a single room without your permission be it a doctor, nurse, member of the cleaning staff or catering staff.

I suppose a hospital chaplain or priest is exactly the same, and if you have no wish to avail of him, you can tell him so.
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Old 11-01-2013, 19:59
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Some interesting tweets from MWT

Surrey Police sent Savile a recorded letter to make contact. An appointment was made & CPS advise was ignored & he was interviewed
https://twitter.com/mwilliamsthomas/...85229885976576

Interview of #Savile lasted 56mins took place at Stoke Mandeville & he denied all the allegations . Stated never alone with any girls
https://twitter.com/mwilliamsthomas/...85782233870336

1 of 2 During interview #Savile explained that he has contact within Leeds police & whenever he receives letters alleging ....
https://twitter.com/mwilliamsthomas/...86485224390657

2 of 2 (cont) that he has done something he gives them to his contacts who ' get rid' of them
https://twitter.com/mwilliamsthomas/...86869363924993

How shady is that, if true...

#Savile concluded the interview explaining he often gets these types of letters & he just gets his lawyers to take these people to court
https://twitter.com/mwilliamsthomas/...91009683034112

And that having taken people to court after getting ' these ' types of letters he has been awarded several hundred thousand pounds #Savile
https://twitter.com/mwilliamsthomas/...91309089239040

Are there records of such cases? people were taken to court and found to be lying and the judge ruled in JSs favour then? were the people alleging things basically bullied into settling out of court, or otherwise convinced they wouldn't win their case?

RT @DailyMirror: 'There may be hundreds more': Jimmy Savile victims total "a mere drop in the ocean" and "could double" http://mirr.im/VQSvYw
https://twitter.com/mwilliamsthomas/...21463912005633

if the number does somehow double, will people believe them or think most of them are money chasers?
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Old 11-01-2013, 20:03
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The CPS report on why Savile wasn't prosecuted
http://www.cps.gov.uk/news/press_sta..._savile_cases/

full CPS report
http://www.cps.gov.uk/news/assets/up...ile_report.pdf

Astonishing - Police dissuaded victim from giving evidence against a 'big celebrity'
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Old 11-01-2013, 20:06
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Some interesting tweets from MWT



https://twitter.com/mwilliamsthomas/...85229885976576



https://twitter.com/mwilliamsthomas/...85782233870336



https://twitter.com/mwilliamsthomas/...86485224390657



https://twitter.com/mwilliamsthomas/...86869363924993

How shady is that, if true...



https://twitter.com/mwilliamsthomas/...91009683034112



https://twitter.com/mwilliamsthomas/...91309089239040

Are there records of such cases? people were taken to court and found to be lying and the judge ruled in JSs favour then? were the people alleging things basically bullied into settling out of court, or otherwise convinced they wouldn't win their case?



https://twitter.com/mwilliamsthomas/...21463912005633

if the number does somehow double, will people believe them or think most of them are money chasers?
Savile would of course have kept denying everything, even if he had been put on trial and sent to prison. He was too arrogant to confess to anything or admit he had done anything wrong. He would have described the women as liars and fantasists and kept doing so until the day he died.

His real number of victims had to be well into the thousands considering he was abusing for perhaps 60 years.
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Old 11-01-2013, 20:06
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Out of all the Abuse, accusations, victims and apparent gut feelings but no firm evidence, even though the police were nationally aware of the abuse but not in a joined up way, even with Esther Ransid stating she had a bad gut fooling about him and the BBC apparently employing chaperones for young people from the 1980's onwards, in part due to rumours and possible witnesses to him and his glittery buddy and other 'Stars' ... abusing girls on BBC premises - in the changing rooms after TOTP etc.....

How the hell was he able to abuse again, ironically on the final airing of Top Of The Pops in 2006 ?
For me, this is the single most serious case because 'Hindsight' or 'ignorance' cannot possibly be a shield to corporate neglect, .

The BBC has serious questions to answer (within it's report which we, the public are not entitled to see)... As do all the other institutions that wilfully and criminally failed.
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Old 11-01-2013, 20:11
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Though anyone on the hospital staff can enter a single room without your permission be it a doctor, nurse, member of the cleaning staff or catering staff.

I suppose a hospital chaplain or priest is exactly the same, and if you have no wish to avail of him, you can tell him so.
Only if you are well enough to think rationally and have an adult conversation (which I wasn't) - and assuming that person leaves when/if you ask them to. Makes me realise how vulnerable many people in this position must be

ETA I don't mean the chaplain type person, thinking more of the JS scenario; ok just seen below
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Old 11-01-2013, 20:16
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Only if you are well enough to think rationally and have an adult conversation (which I wasn't) - and assuming that person leaves when/if you ask them to. Makes me realise how vulnerable many people in this position must be
I imagine staff have to be vetted these days though, and that would include chaplains. Anyone with a criminal conviction (and certainly not one with a conviction for a sexual offence) wouldn't be allowed work in a hospital.
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Old 11-01-2013, 20:23
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Some interesting tweets from MWT



https://twitter.com/mwilliamsthomas/...85229885976576



https://twitter.com/mwilliamsthomas/...85782233870336



https://twitter.com/mwilliamsthomas/...86485224390657



https://twitter.com/mwilliamsthomas/...86869363924993

How shady is that, if true...



https://twitter.com/mwilliamsthomas/...91009683034112



https://twitter.com/mwilliamsthomas/...91309089239040

Are there records of such cases? people were taken to court and found to be lying and the judge ruled in JSs favour then? were the people alleging things basically bullied into settling out of court, or otherwise convinced they wouldn't win their case?



https://twitter.com/mwilliamsthomas/...21463912005633

if the number does somehow double, will people believe them or think most of them are money chasers?
Personally I am more likely to believe those who go to the polcie and give statements and are believed by police (though there will always be exceptions ie one discussed here about a Rolls Royce ) , I would have my doubts about anyone claiming compensation via a lawyer who has not been to the police at all.
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Old 11-01-2013, 20:28
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voiceforchildren‏ @TheVoiceJersey

Discredited & disgraced #BBC were leaked this document 1 year 3 months & 21 days ago yet they keep it buried. http://voiceforchildren.blogspot.com...w-and-bbc.html #Police
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Old 11-01-2013, 20:29
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Anna Raccoon (for it is she!) has blogged on the report
http://www.annaraccoon.com/politics/nonce-sense/
Interesting article; thanks for that. It's good to see someone trying to dig a bit deeper into the facts rather than just glibly parrot the party line.
Always a good read and writes well - picking up on the inconsistencies.

I don't doubt that Jimmy Savile and Others connected to him have a lot to answer for on their behaviour and conduct and also sexual abuse of children and vulnerable people but the facts need to add up.

Facts need to be cohesive and concise without room for doubt and that means dates, places and names i.e. timeline and checking out the background.

I am also concerned within this investigation we have 'a DJ groped me' business the real crimes of sexual abuse against children are getting lost in the mire, not to say that type of behaviour is okay its certainly not its wrong but it appeared that Operation Yewtree were being distracted by media intervention and the shock value.

But read the reports:-

http://content.met.police.uk/cs/Sate...&ssbinary=true


http://www.cps.gov.uk/news/assets/up...ile_report.pdf
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Old 11-01-2013, 20:38
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C4 News starting; IMO they've done the best reporting of this unpleasant affair.

He assauled someone at the final Top of the Pops recording.
Also on - Edwina Currie and M W-T.

Yeah of course when your old,frail and have a carer close by the first thing you think of is groping somebody.
Observers at the time said he acted for the cameras but as soon as they switched off he became this somewhat vacant headed old man who could not stand for too long.
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Old 11-01-2013, 20:40
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Out of all the Abuse, accusations, victims and apparent gut feelings but no firm evidence, even though the police were nationally aware of the abuse but not in a joined up way, even with Esther Ransid stating she had a bad gut fooling about him and the BBC apparently employing chaperones for young people from the 1980's onwards, in part due to rumours and possible witnesses to him and his glittery buddy and other 'Stars' ... abusing girls on BBC premises - in the changing rooms after TOTP etc.....

How the hell was he able to abuse again, ironically on the final airing of Top Of The Pops in 2006 ?
For me, this is the single most serious case because 'Hindsight' or 'ignorance' cannot possibly be a shield to corporate neglect, .

The BBC has serious questions to answer (within it's report which we, the public are not entitled to see)... As do all the other institutions that wilfully and criminally failed.
... failed the very people they should have protected I think we all know what Jimmy Savile was and all his 'mates' too but I want to know about all these people who should have protected the very people he was allowed access to. Where are they I want to hear what they have to say on the subject. I want to hear their reasons for turning a blind eye or not keeping their eye on the ball and at the very worst co-conspirators and enablers mmmm where are they, who are they?
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Old 11-01-2013, 20:50
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If there is any solace in this absolute debacle and mind numbing of a nation by one person and his subsequent death and disclosure is this:-

"Since the Savile scandal broke we have seen a surge in contacts about child abuse, both past and present, with many victims speaking out for the first time."

Watt continued: "Almost 800 additional children have been protected from abuse because the publicity around this case prompted people to contact our helpline.

"We are optimistic that this signals a watershed moment for child protection in this country. We must seize the opportunity if we are to make a lasting change."

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/showbiz/...#ixzz2HfoyI0mh
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Old 11-01-2013, 20:50
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Though anyone on the hospital staff can enter a single room without your permission be it a doctor, nurse, member of the cleaning staff or catering staff.

I suppose a hospital chaplain or priest is exactly the same, and if you have no wish to avail of him, you can tell him so.
Just as well the doctors and nurses can if there were to be an emergency, of course lol

Out of curiosity - are such staff vetted, or only those with access to childrens wards?. Are there many cases of adult patients in hospital being assaulted? I'd never really thought of it before... not that most cleaning staff or chaplains are dodgy at all but I wonder how many other people may have tried to get access to vulnerable people like that. Hopefully not many(!) such scandals could make you a bit paranoid.

ETA - I agree with Eurostars post, I'd presume such staff have to be vetted...
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Old 11-01-2013, 20:58
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Officer who made indecent images of child dismissed by Metropolitan Police http://bbc.in/13oc9Q0
https://twitter.com/BBCNews/statuses/289827433279012864

Good to know...
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Old 11-01-2013, 21:01
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Just as well the doctors and nurses can if there were to be an emergency, of course lol

Out of curiosity - are such staff vetted, or only those with access to childrens wards?. Are there many cases of adult patients in hospital being assaulted? I'd never really thought of it before... not that most cleaning staff or chaplains are dodgy at all but I wonder how many other people may have tried to get access to vulnerable people like that. Hopefully not many(!) such scandals could make you a bit paranoid.
For what they're worth some private companies do CRB checks these days mine does and we don't have access to or need access to children or vulnerable people but we work in an extended industry that supply UK schools so we do it every two years so we can say to our clients 'its okay' we CRB check all out staff - its about integrity.

You'd be surprised how vulnerable most hospitals are security wise regarding the general public and their access and I'm not sure every member of staff auxilliary or medical staff are vetted bearing in mind some services are tendered out to private companies and agencies.

The last time I was in hospital it wasn't secure at all it was 2006 however in 2000 when my mum was in hospital (she had dementia and Parkinsons Disease) I insisted she was put on a ward with security and it appeared there were a few wards with key code access, maternity wards, vulnerable patients and intensive care patients not all wards though by any means.

But of course if Jimmy Savile had visited they'd have given him the code wouldn't they

As for adult patients being assaulted yes I have heard of some also before 2000 when my mum was in hospital in 1995 she had her bag which included spectacles, purse with money, ciggarettes and lighter stolen from her bedside! I was livid she was a vulnerable patient then too but it was the first time in hospital for her I wised up after that big time. Its the time when vulnerable people are at their most vulnerable.
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Old 11-01-2013, 21:05
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Personally I am more likely to believe those who go to the polcie and give statements and are believed by police (though there will always be exceptions ie one discussed here about a Rolls Royce ) , I would have my doubts about anyone claiming compensation via a lawyer who has not been to the police at all.
Fair enough. It just seems a shame if people dismiss claimants simple due to the high number - even if there are some false claims, there will be genuine ones as well.

Is it possible for someone to claim compensation from his estate without any proof their claim is legally valid? seems a bit shady indeed...
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Old 11-01-2013, 21:10
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Just as well the doctors and nurses can if there were to be an emergency, of course lol

Out of curiosity - are such staff vetted, or only those with access to childrens wards?. Are there many cases of adult patients in hospital being assaulted? I'd never really thought of it before... not that most cleaning staff or chaplains are dodgy at all but I wonder how many other people may have tried to get access to vulnerable people like that. Hopefully not many(!) such scandals could make you a bit paranoid.

ETA - I agree with Eurostars post, I'd presume such staff have to be vetted...
Don't presume or assume anything I think you'd be shocked at the truth.
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Old 11-01-2013, 21:31
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Charles Moore in the Telegraph dissects today's report
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...s-justice.html
A good read.
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Old 11-01-2013, 21:38
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Don't presume or assume anything I think you'd be shocked at the truth.
I tend to think im paranoid enough as it is. The only bad thing thats happened to my family regarding hospitals, that I can think of anyway, was when my late grandfathers wallet seemed to disappear when he was in hospital - it was never found but he had it when he was admitted. Oh and when I was a toddler/young child and I was taken through to see my mum when she was in a bad state after getting a lump taken out of her breast, after she'd expressly asked staff not to bring me through as it would scare me and I've been a hypocondriact and rather phobic of doctors ever since(!).
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Old 11-01-2013, 22:09
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Just as well the doctors and nurses can if there were to be an emergency, of course lol

Out of curiosity - are such staff vetted, or only those with access to childrens wards?. Are there many cases of adult patients in hospital being assaulted? I'd never really thought of it before... not that most cleaning staff or chaplains are dodgy at all but I wonder how many other people may have tried to get access to vulnerable people like that. Hopefully not many(!) such scandals could make you a bit paranoid.

ETA - I agree with Eurostars post, I'd presume such staff have to be vetted...
I imagine all hospital staff have to be vetted Izzy. Nobody with a criminal conviction would be allowed work in a hospital, and I'd say they are extra vigilant about who they employ in children's hospitals.
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Old 11-01-2013, 22:24
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Anna Raccoon (for it is she!) has blogged on the report
http://www.annaraccoon.com/politics/nonce-sense/
Anna first articles were the best, these last ones were ok, but it was a work similar of a lawyer. Picking up inconsistencies of something that happened 30 years ago and speculations.
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Old 11-01-2013, 22:33
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Newsnight starting; covering Savile. A former DPP and a victims' spokesperson.

CPS report - victims weren't told by police that there were others.
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