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Old 01-05-2013, 23:07
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I am concerned about those that are innocent - there are cases where women cry rape and the man is proven innocent. Nobody remembers that bit - families split up etc as a result of the stress. I do take your point on JS. Hard to determine a suitable threshold of victims required before it is made public.
BIB - Not just women, Matthew Kelly's accuser was male.
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Old 01-05-2013, 23:27
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How on earth can you prove rape with one victim 46 years ago?
If that were a hypothetical question one answer could be,
Paternity test + maths + medical records.

This is a joke now.
Not a joke
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Old 01-05-2013, 23:32
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I forgot about Andrew Lancel too, that's 3 Corrie stars Charged with child rape in the space of 5 months, OMG
There was Peter Adamson too (Len Fairclough) in the 80s. He was found not guilty and it pretty much ruined his career/life. There is a story he admitted to it later, but with no sexual intent but he later denied saying that
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Old 01-05-2013, 23:47
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There was Peter Adamson too (Len Fairclough) in the 80s. He was found not guilty and it pretty much ruined his career/life. There is a story he admitted to it later, but with no sexual intent but he later denied saying that
The problem with his case is that it (allegedly) amounted to some groping or inappropriate touching of two girls in a swimming pool. Unless there were credible witnesses to the incident, it's hard to see how it could have ever ended in safe conviction.
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Old 01-05-2013, 23:59
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Apparently its been in the pipeline for a couple of months. I just saw this too:-



https://twitter.com/lucymanning/stat...78850709667840

Can't help but question the chance of a fair trial. I noticed today that again the police don't seem to name the person being arrested but the media do.
I get the feeling the CPS will go to trial whever possible in the current climate , that way they cannot be accused of covering up or protecting It remains to be seen what the sufficient evidence is .
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Old 02-05-2013, 00:28
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If that were a hypothetical question one answer could be,
Paternity test + maths + medical records.
Rape does not equal baby and baby does not equal rape.
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Old 02-05-2013, 02:38
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why are so many celebs involved in these cases?
If they aren't famous then the tabloids aren't interested and the hysteria and bandwagoning can't pick up any steam
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Old 02-05-2013, 07:48
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ridiculous that he is to be taken to court.this woman is obviously lying.its been 46 years so the only evidence would be her word.in court he will denie anything happened and any case will be dissmissed.she is looking to make money out of all the recent goings on.if its true,why has she waited all this time?
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Old 02-05-2013, 07:53
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ridiculous that he is to be taken to court.this woman is obviously lying.its been 46 years so the only evidence would be her word.in court he will denie anything happened and any case will be dissmissed.she is looking to make money out of all the recent goings on.if its true,why has she waited all this time?
I'll ignore how disgustingly, reprehensibly presumptuous you are in the first instance ('obviously lying') and skip to how disgustingly, reprehensibly presumptuous you are a couple of sentences later. What makes you think she's 'waited all this time' and what makes you think that a 15 year old in the 1960s would have been believed and heard if she'd claimed to have been raped by a TV star?
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Old 02-05-2013, 07:59
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ridiculous that he is to be taken to court.this woman is obviously lying.its been 46 years so the only evidence would be her word.in court he will denie anything happened and any case will be dissmissed.she is looking to make money out of all the recent goings on.if its true,why has she waited all this time?
You know this for a fact do you? The court room is the place where they'll decide that.

As it is right now, the Crown Prosecution Service and police decided there had enough information to charge him (that's not to say he's guilty, just that there's just enough for them to go to court).
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Old 02-05-2013, 08:14
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How come these cases are only now coming out after all this time? Also why is it jimmy savile and others when these have absolutely no connection to savile.
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Old 02-05-2013, 08:26
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I'll ignore how disgustingly, reprehensibly presumptuous you are in the first instance ('obviously lying') and skip to how disgustingly, reprehensibly presumptuous you are a couple of sentences later. What makes you think she's 'waited all this time' and what makes you think that a 15 year old in the 1960s would have been believed and heard if she'd claimed to have been raped by a TV star?
With all these celeb cases we are not talking about a man that stalks the streets preying on victims.We are talking about young girls attracted by celibrity who find their way into the path of these 'stars'.
Its always the male that is always expected to quickly process signals of what is being presented in front of him and what the female actually wants, but even then the female may change her mind later.. Obviously if he is much older than it is his resoponsibilty to resist..
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Old 02-05-2013, 08:31
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How come these cases are only now coming out after all this time? Also why is it jimmy savile and others when these have absolutely no connection to savile.
Bill Roache's case is totally separate to the Yewtree investigations, as far as I'm aware.
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Old 02-05-2013, 08:38
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I'll ignore how disgustingly, reprehensibly presumptuous you are in the first instance ('obviously lying') and skip to how disgustingly, reprehensibly presumptuous you are a couple of sentences later. What makes you think she's 'waited all this time' and what makes you think that a 15 year old in the 1960s would have been believed and heard if she'd claimed to have been raped by a TV star?
sh has had plenty of time as an adult to come forward.it only seems to be now when loads of others have come out with stories about other celebrities.i wouldnt be suprised if she was mentaly disturbed if its not chasing after money.
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Old 02-05-2013, 08:40
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Craig Charles was found not guilty of rape and four other charges of indecent assault
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...e-7946138.html
Mr Charles , the comic actor and star of the BBC's Red Dwarf series, spent three-and-a-half months in prison before being allowed bail. Outside the court Mr Charles attacked the "lamentable" case against him and called for a change in the law to give rape defendants anonymity.
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Old 02-05-2013, 08:41
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sh has had plenty of time as an adult to come forward.it only seems to be now when loads of others have come out with stories about other celebrities.i wouldnt be suprised if she was mentaly disturbed if its not chasing after money.
On the other hand, she may have been traumatised by what happened and only now has the confidence to come forward.

Some people don't admit to having being raped/abused for years and years.
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Old 02-05-2013, 08:43
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With all these celeb cases we are not talking about a man that stalks the streets preying on victims.We are talking about young girls attracted by celibrity who find their way into the path of these 'stars'.
Or incidents which have nothing in particular to do with the "celeb" status. We don't really know yet.
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Old 02-05-2013, 08:51
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sh has had plenty of time as an adult to come forward.it only seems to be now when loads of others have come out with stories about other celebrities.i wouldnt be suprised if she was mentaly disturbed if its not chasing after money.
What a stupid, ignorant and insensitive remark. It really is no wonder that some victims of rape and sexual abuse still find it difficult to come forward when people still have this kind of disgusting attitude towards them.If you have been raped or abused it stays with your for your entire life, and you don't ever really get over it. It doesn't matter if it was six months ago, five years ago or 30 years ago it stays with you.

Maybe, just maybe, this woman found the strength to come forward after seeing all of the Jimmy Saville stuff in the media?
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Old 02-05-2013, 09:29
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Bill Roache's case is totally separate to the Yewtree investigations, as far as I'm aware.
Maybe not this case but there are other cases like max clifford which they have said it has no connection to savile so why have it mentioned. people hear jimmy savile and others they start thinking its connected to that. them cases shouldn`t be linked with savile if its nothing to do with him.
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Old 02-05-2013, 09:34
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sh has had plenty of time as an adult to come forward.it only seems to be now when loads of others have come out with stories about other celebrities.i wouldnt be suprised if she was mentaly disturbed if its not chasing after money.
Get the **** off the internet. Just go.

It's people like you that prevent the victims from finding the strength to come forward. Rape is rape: regardless of how long ago it took place and how long it takes a person to come forward. You don't know the woman, and you don't know Bill Roache, so why don't you keep your disgusting attitude to yourself?
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Old 02-05-2013, 09:38
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What a stupid, ignorant and insensitive remark. It really is no wonder that some victims of rape and sexual abuse still find it difficult to come forward when people still have this kind of disgusting attitude towards them.If you have been raped or abused it stays with your for your entire life, and you don't ever really get over it. It doesn't matter if it was six months ago, five years ago or 30 years ago it stays with you.

Maybe, just maybe, this woman found the strength to come forward after seeing all of the Jimmy Saville stuff in the media?
Get the **** off the internet. Just go.

It's people like you that prevent the victims from finding the strength to come forward. Rape is rape: regardless of how long ago it took place and how long it takes a person to come forward. You don't know the woman, and you don't know Bill Roache, so why don't you keep your disgusting attitude to yourself?
I think the poster was suggesting that rape might not have taken place, not that it did and because it was so long ago she shouldn't have come forward.
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Old 02-05-2013, 09:41
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sh has had plenty of time as an adult to come forward.it only seems to be now when loads of others have come out with stories about other celebrities.i wouldnt be suprised if she was mentaly disturbed if its not chasing after money.
enough has been written in several threads on DS about why those abused do not come forward, even for decades. However, she may indeed be mentally disturbed, mentally disturbed because she may have had to live with the memories of being raped and not feeling able to tell anyone.

Whilst there may well be a tiny percentage who come forward after all these years to make false or malicious claims, the Police are quite good at weeding out those.

Frankly I find your comments ignorant and insensitive
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Old 02-05-2013, 09:59
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sh has had plenty of time as an adult to come forward.it only seems to be now when loads of others have come out with stories about other celebrities.i wouldnt be suprised if she was mentaly disturbed if its not chasing after money.
Oh dear. What's that saying? Better to say nothing if you don't want people to think you're stupid rather than say something and remove all doubt.
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Old 02-05-2013, 10:02
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enough has been written in several threads on DS about why those abused do not come forward, even for decades. However, she may indeed be mentally disturbed, mentally disturbed because she may have had to live with the memories of being raped and not feeling able to tell anyone.

Whilst there may well be a tiny percentage who come forward after all these years to make false or malicious claims, the Police are quite good at weeding out those.

Frankly I find your comments ignorant and insensitive
I think we all need to be careful here. As far as the "accused" is concerned it was a false, malicious or mistaken claim. As far as the "victim" is concerned it was none of those things. By saying the police weed out the false claims then it is close to saying that the "accused" is guilty before they have had a fair trial.

There are two views, only one can be correct and it has to be the courts that decide that, not keyboard warriors on DS.

ETA. Having said all of that, I do agree that calling someone mentally disturbed is not right either.
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Old 02-05-2013, 10:09
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I think the poster was suggesting that rape might not have taken place, not that it did and because it was so long ago she shouldn't have come forward.
The poster was clearly suggesting that because it allegedly happened such a long time ago it doesn't matter anymore and that she has only come forewad now because she wants a payout. They also claimed that the woman may be "mentally disturbed". If that is not offensive I don't know what is? The fact that this poster has not come back to defend their ignorant views speaks volumes.
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