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Old 11-05-2013, 17:26
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The quality of this #savile report seriously concerns me & although WYP has totally exonerated itself perhaps the IPCC can get to the truth.
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Old 11-05-2013, 17:28
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UPSD's dissection of the WYP report, although I'm never quite sure exactly what their agenda is.
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He did what most intelligent, predatory people do - he played and manipulated everyone he met for his own nefarious purposes.
There was clearly reason and method in him befriending so many Police Officers, Politicians and members of the Royal family.
It seems so. From the little I know about it, its the modus operandi of a sociopath, what motivates them is to manipulate other people in a certain way to make them (the sociopath) look better or otherwise for their own selfish purposes, I believe?.

I remember people talking last year about his links to a care home in Jersey but that seems to have been quietly dropped (or are there other investigations going on?). Thinking about certain things such as the above, it does seem like Operation Yewtree is pretty superficial, some would say its just to show face (I think thats the term?) and appease the crowds a bit, to show their acting now but there may well be more sinister things that havent been looked into. It may well also be that there are other investigations going on at the same time though? who knows.
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Old 11-05-2013, 17:53
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Mark Williams-Thomas ‏ @mwilliamsthomas 10 May
The quality of this #savile report seriously concerns me & although WYP has totally exonerated itself perhaps the IPCC can get to the truth.
MWT did a good job in highlighting Savile , but like many lawyers acting for victims he is also looking after his own intersts in all of this carreerwise and financially, and I do think he is incorrect to state that WYP has exonerated itself

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2013...ogise-blunders

police apologise for blunders that left him free to abuse

West Yorkshire force admits to mishandling intelligence, missing chances to stop paedophile decades ago
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Old 11-05-2013, 18:29
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MWT did a good job in highlighting Savile , but like many lawyers acting for victims he is also looking after his own intersts in all of this carreerwise and financially, and I do think he is incorrect to state that WYP has exonerated itself

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2013...ogise-blunders

police apologise for blunders that left him free to abuse

West Yorkshire force admits to mishandling intelligence, missing chances to stop paedophile decades ago
WYP only apologised after the report had been published, in face of backlash from victims and the media.
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Old 11-05-2013, 18:56
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This thread got over 6000 views yesterday; shame the WYP report was such a whitewash.
Hopefully the IPCC will take a hard line with them.
I wonder if you're parroting the words of others there, or whether you have inside information about the investigation.

What you mean is like Yewtree the public provided no evidence of corruption or a paedophile ring.

How excited some people must have been when they read he ferried 3 females to London to "Top of The Pops" no less, but were shocked to read the 3 females said he behaved like a gentleman and did nothing inappropriate...that can't be right it must be a cover up/whitewash.
Yep, a real disappointment to many.

Some people probably would AND some of the present day family members of his victims would probably demand a public apology and compensation for supposed police failures at the time, etc. The clue, of course, is in the word 'compensation', that's the magic word that works wonders!
The faux disgust of the compensation lawyers and the claimants hides the fact that they will seek to raise the amount of compo they're looking for because of the 'further distress at the police not investigating it thoroughly or being sufficiently open about it'. Of course if the circumstances had been different and the police report had revealed that officers had covered up or protected Savile then that would have also served to cause the requisite added 'distress'.

Putting a perspective on this. I don't think DLT, Jim Davidson, Max Clifford & Jimmy Tarbuck did anything wrong. I think women got close to them and they mixed with all people, but no abuse ever happened. It's just cuddles and nothing else.
Nice to see some perspective


Surely if you are privy to information that has been witheld and is obstructing and perverting the course of justice you have a duty to report it ?
Agreed, I think we need to be told just what it is that these FMs know.
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Old 11-05-2013, 19:01
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Still receiving key info abt well known people. Vital this info is carefully investigated by the police- which I am happy 2 help 2 facilitate.
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UPSD's dissection of the WYP report, although I'm never quite sure exactly what their agenda is.
http://www.upsd.co.uk/operation-newgreen-savile-report/
Its all around a couple of sacked police officers who, understandably I guess, hold a grudge against the professional standards unit that dealt with them. They just seem to have too much time on their hands, as from what I can make out, in between trolling twitter accounts they just childishly harrass the police with vexatious complaints and FOI requests. Proper fruitloops.
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Its all around a couple of sacked police officers who, understandably I guess, hold a grudge against the professional standards unit that dealt with them. They just seem to have too much time on their hands, as from what I can make out, in between trolling twitter accounts they just childishly harrass the police with vexatious complaints and FOI requests. Proper fruitloops.
Ah - thanks. Do you have a source for that please?
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Old 11-05-2013, 19:09
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Still receiving key info abt well known people. Vital this info is carefully investigated by the police- which I am happy 2 help 2 facilitate.
He should be telling the police then, shouldn't he, and not his fans. What a berk.
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Ah - thanks. Do you have a source for that please?
Its all revealed in their daft website and in their tweets. If you're going to link to things in the way that you do, I'd have thought you'd have checked just what it is that you're linking to.
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He should be telling the police then, shouldn't he, and not his fans. What a berk.
I agree he's a bit of an egotist, but at the same time victims approach him because they think that they won't be believed if they go to the police.
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Old 11-05-2013, 19:19
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Mark Williams-Thomas ‏ @mwilliamsthomas 10 May
The quality of this #savile report seriously concerns me & although WYP has totally exonerated itself perhaps the IPCC can get to the truth.
He's very bitter and anti-police isn't he. Must be a reason for that
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Old 11-05-2013, 19:21
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I agree he's a bit of an egotist, but at the same time victims approach him because they think that they won't be believed if they go to the police.
oh come on, they can't use that one any more
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Its all revealed in their daft website and in their tweets. If you're going to link to things in the way that you do, I'd have thought you'd have checked just what it is that you're linking to.
I can't see anything on the UPSD site about the background of the people who run it - could you help me out with a link please?
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Old 11-05-2013, 19:38
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Some Women have turned this around from Groping to abuse.
Children aged 5 yo and up to 18 are not women, they're children. Its never ok for anyone to touch other human being unless they want to. Especially not children.
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Old 11-05-2013, 19:56
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Some Women have turned this around from Groping to abuse.
I think Savile had sex with some of his victims. He groped most of them, but some of them were forced into sexual intercourse, I think.
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A blog about age of consent, reacting to Barbara Hewson's controversial article
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Old 11-05-2013, 20:06
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I meant to add -

Putting a perspective on this. I don't think DLT, Jim Davidson, Max Clifford & Jimmy Tarbuck did anything wrong. I think women got close to them and they mixed with all people, but no abuse ever happened. It's just cuddles and nothing else.
That could well be the case but we don't have the full details about what these people have been charged with (where applicable), so how can we be sure? someone else on DS (I can't remember their username) has claimed there's more to the DLT claims than groping and that if it was just a case of a quick grope to an adult, the CPS/police wouldn't bother investigating as it wouldn't be worth their time.

Regarding the report yesterday - if the police aren't hiding anything then surely thats a good thing, in as much as not having something sinister to hide, them not purposefully protecting others has to be a positive? maybe people hope or presume for sensational news when the truth is more mundane - as long as it is the truth that comes out, thats the main thing but I don't think most people have much faith in how things are being handled.
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Putting a perspective on this. I don't think DLT, Jim Davidson, Max Clifford & Jimmy Tarbuck did anything wrong. I think women got close to them and they mixed with all people, but no abuse ever happened. It's just cuddles and nothing else.
How is that perspective? It's just opinion. You have no more idea than anyone else, except the people involved.
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Old 11-05-2013, 20:35
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I can't see anything on the UPSD site about the background of the people who run it - could you help me out with a link please?
Sorry, I honestly aren't being unhelpful or dismissive of your request but I can't bring myself to dignify them with a link. I've seen their abusive tweets to all sorts of decent respected twitterers, and they should clearly be ignored. ETA:I'm not going to repeat their libel either.

Like you, i found them quite by accident, some time ago. However, as with most things I find, i explore and read thoroughly. I can only suggest that you do the same and then consider whether you wish to bring propoganda to the DS readers, and if so, why.
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Old 11-05-2013, 20:51
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Putting a perspective on this. I don't think DLT, Jim Davidson, Max Clifford & Jimmy Tarbuck did anything wrong. I think women got close to them and they mixed with all people, but no abuse ever happened. It's just cuddles and nothing else.
That isn't putting a perspective on anything - it's sheer speculation on your part.
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Old 11-05-2013, 21:02
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Sorry, I honestly aren't being unhelpful or dismissive of your request but I can't bring myself to dignify them with a link. I've seen their abusive tweets to all sorts of decent respected twitterers, and they should clearly be ignored.

Like you, i found them quite by accident, some time ago. However, as with most things I find, i explore and read thoroughly. I can only suggest that you do the same and then consider whether you wish to bring propoganda to the DS readers, and if so, why.
I also enjoy reading various opinions but what makes you think I/we need to be monitored?

You seem to suggest you are above being influenced with propoganda, whilst the rest of us perhaps are not. You do a disservice to DS readers.
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Old 11-05-2013, 21:09
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Occy did specify women.


One charge that Stuart Hall confessed to would be considered trivial by many.
He put his arm around a seventeen year old promo girl and touched her breast outside her clothing.In public. I have no idea how they could know it was intentional because it happens accidentally all the time, especially if you move your arm. and I am surprised that he could remember the incident, as the meeting was only for a minute or so, but we have to take his word for it.

Groping was never good, but we have moved on from the times when it was considered normal to pinch bottoms, or thrust your tongue in someone's mouth "for a laugh" and I dont think it happens now.
As we know, children are sometimes women before they report abuse.

Regarding unwanted groping, I do consider that is also abuse however old the victim is and however long ago it was.
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Old 11-05-2013, 21:12
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I also enjoy reading various opinions but what makes you think I/we need to be monitored?

You seem to suggest you are above being influenced with propoganda, whilst the rest of us perhaps are not. You do a disservice to DS readers.
You've got the wrong end of the stick.
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