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Old 11-05-2013, 21:53
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Mark Williams-Thomas ‏@mwilliamsthomas 11m
Still receiving key info abt well known people. Vital this info is carefully investigated by the police- which I am happy 2 help 2 facilitate.
He's a bit boastful isn't he?
I agree he's a bit of an egotist, but at the same time victims approach him because they think that they won't be believed if they go to the police.
Not still, surely?
As we know, children are sometimes women before they report abuse.

Regarding unwanted groping, I do consider that is also abuse however old the victim is and however long ago it was.
Even if it wasn't a crime at he time? Do we also slam almost everybody's parents in jail for smacking and leaving a mark more than thirty years ago? or for drink driving? it was considered normal at one time and so was slight groping of adults.
Nobody does it any more so it doesn't need attention brought to it to effect change. That has already happened.
Sex attacks and child abuse are a different matter.
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Old 11-05-2013, 21:54
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"West Yorkshire later conceded that four of Savile’s victims were aged five. It said two victims had come forward last December and two earlier this year. "

(my italics)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...aged-five.html

looks like some good journalism by the Telegraph.
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Old 11-05-2013, 22:11
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Tomorrows Daily Star front page has a story about Prince Charles and Jimmy Saville and the cover up.

http://news.sky.com/
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Old 11-05-2013, 22:16
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"In 1995, the BBC showed a Michael Cockerell documentary called Westminster’s Secret Service about the role of the chief whip, whose task it is to ensure MPs attend important debates and vote as the party leadership desires. It was revealed that the chief whip kept a little black ‘dirt book’ which contained information about MPs, and this was used as a method of political control."

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Old 11-05-2013, 22:30
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Tomorrows Daily Star front page has a story about Prince Charles and Jimmy Saville and the cover up.

http://news.sky.com/
I saw this tweet about the same thing:- https://twitter.com/GerardTubbSky/st...23036159770624
but the image seems to have been taken down quite quickly, from what I saw of the responses - I had a quick look but cant see any mention of the story on the Sky site either
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Old 11-05-2013, 22:38
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Tomorrows Daily Star front page has a story about Prince Charles and Jimmy Saville and the cover up.

http://news.sky.com/
I have a feeling if Charles was involved in a coverup it would be a paper other than the Daily Star reporting it somehow.
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Old 11-05-2013, 22:42
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Old 11-05-2013, 22:43
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Mark Williams-Thomas ‏@mwilliamsthomas 11m
Still receiving key info abt well known people. Vital this info is carefully investigated by the police- which I am happy 2 help 2 facilitate.
I wonder how many of his facilitations will end up on his new TV series

I agree he's a bit of an egotist, but at the same time victims approach him because they think that they won't be believed if they go to the police.
If that was said a year ago I might believe it, now I don't, whilst he did a great job exposing Savile he should now be telling people to go straight to the police, not offering to facilitate it like some booking agent.
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Old 11-05-2013, 22:55
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This Savile - Prince Charles story has been around a while
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...oyal-aide.html

Don't know if the Star one is an extension of it or something new.
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Old 11-05-2013, 22:55
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I wonder how many of his facilitations will end up on his new TV series



If that was said a year ago I might believe it, now I don't, whilst he did a great job exposing Savile he should now be telling people to go straight to the police, not offering to facilitate it like some booking agent.
Exactly. The way he appears to revel in it all is very distasteful.
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Old 11-05-2013, 22:56
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I wonder how many of his facilitations will end up on his new TV series



If that was said a year ago I might believe it, now I don't, whilst he did a great job exposing Savile he should now be telling people to go straight to the police, not offering to facilitate it like some booking agent.
I like that
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Old 11-05-2013, 23:12
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http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...police-1881453
At least five more household names will be investigated by detectives after a string of alleged victims came forward.

Men and women have brought complaints against two singers, a pair of TV personalities and a comedian.
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Old 11-05-2013, 23:24
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http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...police-1881453
At least five more household names will be investigated by detectives after a string of alleged victims came forward.

Men and women have brought complaints against two singers, a pair of TV personalities and a comedian.
There's a whole thread about that story
http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showthread.php?t=1825569
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Old 11-05-2013, 23:29
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I've been following the Savile stuff and indeed this thread from the off.

I still don't understand the posters/ people who say-

1) They don't know why people who were abused years ago didn't speak up at the time and imply that as they didn't, it's a bit late to come forward now.

2) People who have reported so called 'minor offences' shouldn't really bother as the police investigation should only be focused on major incidents such as rape.

My personal views on the above-

1) It's outrageous to suggest that there should be some kind of time limit on this kind of thing. As many posters have pointed out, victims may have a myriad of reasons for why they perhaps haven't come forward until now- fear, shame being just a couple of possibles.

2) If we truly want a warts and all, transparent enquiry into this, I would think that ALL instances should be reported, regardless of whether they are perceived by some as being 'less important'. If we are to have a fully open and honest investigation, ALL instances, minor and major should surely be taken into account, to give a fully represenatative picture of what went on. Let the police and legal system decided what is 'worthy of prosecution' and what isn't.

Just my tuppence worth.
I agree with you entirely; this sums up my thoughts on it all.
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Old 11-05-2013, 23:37
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This Savile - Prince Charles story has been around a while
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...oyal-aide.html

Don't know if the Star one is an extension of it or something new.
It was around for a while as you say as he visited his place in Scotland in full view of many people though.

Mind you if you go to the DI forum( I look every now and again to see what madness is rearing its ehad ) its all new and this is the reason the Queen is scaling back her duties as she is preparing to abdicate. When in fact she is 87 and cutting back on overseas travel.
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Old 12-05-2013, 00:27
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The Star on Sunday story
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/posts/vie...NKS-TO-SAVILE/
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Old 12-05-2013, 00:57
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Quite silly of anyone to redact anything about Prince Charles and Stoke Mandeville, as is said it was public knowledge he was a Patron, unless someone redacted it to make it look suspicious.
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Old 12-05-2013, 01:21
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Independent on Sunday has another account of abuse in a music school
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...l-8612402.html
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Old 12-05-2013, 01:46
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"West Yorkshire later conceded that four of Savile’s victims were aged five. It said two victims had come forward last December and two earlier this year. "

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...aged-five.html

looks like some good journalism by the Telegraph.
Where are those "masterminds" on here, who claimed savile was not a true "paedo" because he only attacked pubescent girls, when the truth is he went after anything that moved,and in all probability even some that couldn't move.
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Old 12-05-2013, 01:58
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Where are those "masterminds" on here, who claimed savile was not a true "paedo" because he only attacked pubescent girls, when the truth is he went after anything that moved,and in all probability even some that couldn't move.
I think you will find that earlier on in this case the attacks did not appear to be on children that young which is why some people pointed out the difference between a paedophile and what was being reported at the time which Savile was both a Hebephile and Ebephile in addition to being a molestor of adults.

Yes now we can say he was a Paedophile as well as there are cases being reported, but before giving someone the wrong label you find out the facts, if a man raped a 16 / 17 year old girl tomorrow you would call him a rapist , you wouldnt call him a paedophile if at that point you did not know he had also attacked young children.

The case and its discussion is not about point scoring.
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Laurie Penny in the New Statesman
http://www.newstatesman.com//broadca...uld-applaud-it
Another response to the Barbara Hewson article


Stuart Hall: A relative of the paedophile tells how the star groped her when she was eight
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/stuart-...#ixzz2T31bkfzK
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Old 12-05-2013, 10:27
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Surely if you are privy to information that has been witheld and is obstructing and perverting the course of justice you have a duty to report it ?
What makes you think I haven't?

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I wasn't going to elaborate but my cousin is an Inspector in the WYP. I reported what I knew to him some time ago (even though this is not his remit- he works in a different field). Turned out he was already aware of what I told him, as were some of his colleagues so I left it at that. I cannot say any more because it would involve naming names, which I will not be drawn into doing so on here.
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Old 12-05-2013, 10:32
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What twaddle...someone in their 40's in the 1960's would be in their 90's now. What they going to do threaten to mow down with their mobility scooters anyone who speaks out?
Not twaddle at all. Some of the more 'newly retired' aren't quite ready for their zimmer frames yet and where have I said that this relates to incidents that only took place in the 60's??? Savile carried on long after that.

I have stated clearly on DS, numerous times, how strongly I feel about 'no smoke without fire' allegations and rumour so I'm hardly likely to throw out spurious accusations.

I have accepted the outcome of the WYP enquiry and know that the issue I was concerned with has been investigated but it doesn't mean I'm happy with it.
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Old 12-05-2013, 11:33
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I think you will find that earlier on in this case the attacks did not appear to be on children that young which is why some people pointed out the difference between a paedophile and what was being reported at the time which Savile was both a Hebephile and Ebephile in addition to being a molestor of adults.

Yes now we can say he was a Paedophile as well as there are cases being reported, but before giving someone the wrong label you find out the facts, if a man raped a 16 / 17 year old girl tomorrow you would call him a rapist , you wouldnt call him a paedophile if at that point you did not know he had also attacked young children.

The case and its discussion is not about point scoring.
so you were wrong then!
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Old 12-05-2013, 12:42
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I think you will find that earlier on in this case the attacks did not appear to be on children that young which is why some people pointed out the difference between a paedophile and what was being reported at the time which Savile was both a Hebephile and Ebephile in addition to being a molestor of adults.

Yes now we can say he was a Paedophile as well as there are cases being reported, but before giving someone the wrong label you find out the facts, if a man raped a 16 / 17 year old girl tomorrow you would call him a rapist , you wouldnt call him a paedophile if at that point you did not know he had also attacked young children.

The case and its discussion is not about point scoring.
Excuse me missy you are over the age of consent, i wouldn,t want to rape no "underage" I,m not a "bleedin" paedo. errrr "hebe". errrr "ebe" .... (you couldn't make it up!!!)
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