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Old 15-05-2013, 20:46
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Jim Davidson questioned over abuse on Falkland Islands
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Old 15-05-2013, 21:38
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BBC Look North did an item tonight about the proportion of Savile's Yorkshire victims that were in hospitals
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode...e)_15_05_2013/
From 3mins in, although the first item is about abuse too.
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Old 15-05-2013, 21:46
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No reason??? And you know this how?? Maybe these allegations are too serious to be done over a video link! So many posters on here who are blaming the victims, police, CPS or media for this "witch hunt!" Not you personally just in general
I think all of us here are very concerned for children's safety, and for anyone who has been attacked, we are just approaching the matter in different ways and hopefully learning as we go?

The whole of Australia has heard the allegations, unfortunately.

http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/...513-2ji96.html
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Old 15-05-2013, 21:57
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Suspects should have right to anonymity at arrest - Theresa May.

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(I agree with her for once)
I'm minded to agree with her too, but there was a huge shitstorm last time someone suggested this.
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Old 15-05-2013, 22:15
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MWT's programme about the Tia Sharp case: 'Living With A Killer' is on this Thursday 16th May at 7.30pm on ITV1 (instead of advertised prog)
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Old 15-05-2013, 22:48
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I think all of us here are very concerned for children's safety, and for anyone who has been attacked, we are just approaching the matter in different ways and hopefully learning as we go?

The whole of Australia has heard the allegations, unfortunately.

http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/...513-2ji96.html
Paid for interviews BEFORE going to the police apparently and the accusation is;
"Ms Lee alleges Harris inappropriately touched her while they sat with the group at a table and again outside the pubís bathroom."

As far as I am aware inappropriate touching is not a serious sexual assault in the same league as rape or abuse such as those girls in the various rings have suffered. I don't think it is serious enough to send two officers to Australia at least initially.

I also feel annoyed at the implication that I don't care about these accusations. I do when they are serious but not when they appear to be trivial bum pinching etc especially when the "victims" were over 16. I also care that valuable resources are channelled into sending policemen to Australia and possibly to the Falkland Islands. Use video links first and use the savings to help those in current need - and I am sure that there are many.
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WYP releases more details of Savile's hospital abuse
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Old 16-05-2013, 01:10
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No reason??? And you know this how?? Maybe these allegations are too serious to be done over a video link! So many posters on here who are blaming the victims, police, CPS or media for this "witch hunt!" Not you personally just in general
Do you know that this witness who has kept quiet for so many years has information that is worthy of taxpayers cash to fly officers to Asutralia ( when it could have been done via videolink ) , and I mean information that she did not give to the Australian media already for a fee ? Sorry but I do have to question those that see the Media as another option of 999 and take money for it .

Any allegation that is so serious should go to the police first not the media ! and I dont care for any excuses otherwise, unless the police dont listen then you can tell the media then the fact that the police did not take you seriously ( if that was the case ) can be mentioned.,
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Old 16-05-2013, 02:42
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No I am not rambling, I am just not cowtowing to your opinion
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Old 16-05-2013, 07:54
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So what are we saying here? that there was nobody else in the hospitals and Savile just wandered about doing what he liked and there was nobody there to see a thing?..

or are we saying that doctors. nurses,professors specialists,vistors, cleaners and security were so just awe struck by 'the great' Jimmy Savile (who appeared on TOTPS for about 5 minutes every third Thursday) that they just laughed off anything reported to them as he was just to 'great' to be challenged?
One 'victim' says he cannot remember which hospital his incident happened, surely a truamatic event like that would be etched in the memory?

..and of course he visited these hospitals year in year out so was there ever a request (to do things quietly without fuss) that he should not visit anymore?
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Old 16-05-2013, 10:46
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Would not hospitals have staff records and medical records to pinpoint incidents and who may have been informed?

Such as in the events recalled at Leeds Infirmary by Terry Pratt?

Mr Pratt said he became suspicious when Savile began arriving in the middle of the night in the late 1980s with teenage girls who seemed "star-struck" and were "not very streetwise".
Which produced this response from the hospital

"Mr Pratt appears to have been talking about a period in the 1980s before he started work at the hospital in 1990 and not from first-hand knowledge."

The spokesman said the trust had been given an assurance that the porters did not have a key to unlock the nurses' home.

"The building had a warden on duty 24 hours a day and we understand access was very strictly controlled to protect the staff living there."
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Old 16-05-2013, 14:19
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Mark Robson reveals Michael Jackson forced him to have sex between the ages of 7 and 14.
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Old 16-05-2013, 15:08
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Do you not get it ????? When the Savile case came out last year everyone was appalled, but at that time people stated whilst a prolific sex attacker at that time it did not appear he was a paedophile as there were no reports of attacks on children that young , later it has emerged he did attack children so people have said yes in additopn to being a sex attacker , a hebephile and ebophile he was also a paedophile.

You think that the latest news and an article from the 16th may this year means everyone else was wrong and you were right and its ok for you to take some moral high grounb because people waited for facts before labelling him ????

Do you think its ok to label people in advance , I mean surely someone is not a paedophile until they are proven to be one or should we follow your line and call all sex attackers paedophiles ? thats what you seem to be saying in your " I was right everyone else was wrong" routine.
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Old 16-05-2013, 15:12
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Mark Robson reveals Michael Jackson forced him to have sex between the ages of 7 and 14.
http://www.tmz.com/2013/05/16/wade-r...ay-show-video/
It is not unusual for an abused person to deny it and defend their attacker for many years afterwards. As children we accept as normal whatever is presented to us as "normal" and that idea can be hard to shift.
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Old 16-05-2013, 15:19
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I dont like headlines like this because it implies that it is somehow "worse" if the child is younger, as if an older child is somehow complicit or more able to prevent it.

If the hospital staff who apparently allowed a sex offender into a hospital knowing that the patients would be attacked and even advising them to "pretend to be asleep" actually exist, I would like to see them prosecuted!
But it all sounds rather far fetched.
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Old 16-05-2013, 15:47
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Wade Robson reveals Michael Jackson forced him to have sex between the ages of 7 and 14.
http://www.tmz.com/2013/05/16/wade-r...ay-show-video/
Oops that should be Wade Robson
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2 more N. Ireland arrests
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Sally Bercow pleads innocence over Lord McAlpine Twitter storm
Speaker's wife says she was merely sharing random thought over Newsnight show that wrongly linked peer to abuse scandal

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Old 16-05-2013, 17:00
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Woman who failed to report seeing Savile abusing, condemns report for being slightly less than clear on victims' ages.

Hmmm.
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Old 16-05-2013, 17:09
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Do you not get it ????? When the Savile case came out last year everyone was appalled, but at that time people stated whilst a prolific sex attacker at that time it did not appear he was a paedophile as there were no reports of attacks on children that young , later it has emerged he did attack children so people have said yes in additopn to being a sex attacker , a hebephile and ebophile he was also a paedophile.

You think that the latest news and an article from the 16th may this year means everyone else was wrong and you were right and its ok for you to take some moral high grounb because people waited for facts before labelling him ????

Do you think its ok to label people in advance , I mean surely someone is not a paedophile until they are proven to be one or should we follow your line and call all sex attackers paedophiles ? thats what you seem to be saying in your " I was right everyone else was wrong" routine.
Of course I'm not saying everyone else was wrong, just you!...............................http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...e-sick-1891672
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Old 16-05-2013, 17:43
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Woman who failed to report seeing Savile abusing, condemns report for being slightly less than clear on victims' ages.

Hmmm.
Last October the Mirror reported...

'I saw Jimmy Savile grope brain surgery patient': Ex-nurse claims she saw sex attack on teenage girl in hospital.

In the latest shocking allegation against the TV star, June Thornton, 80, said he fondled the young woman while working as a volunteer porter in 1972
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Old 16-05-2013, 18:01
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Of course I'm not saying everyone else was wrong, just you!...............................[url]http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...e-sick-1891672[/url]
So we have gone from

Where are those "masterminds" on here, who claimed savile was not a true "paedo" because he only attacked pubescent girls, when the truth is he went after anything that moved,and in all probability even some that couldn't move.
To it just being me who was wrong in your mind . Oh well you keep to your agenda I will stick to waiting for facts (not gossip, guessing games or assumptions) before labelling anyone.
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Old 16-05-2013, 19:19
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Indeed.

This woman failed to tell the authorities about the incident in 1972.

It's no use coming up and reporting these things 40 years later.

A victim saying nothing is understandable. A witness saying nothing is inexcusable.
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Old 16-05-2013, 19:35
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Tia Sharp prog just starting on ITV.
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Old 16-05-2013, 20:14
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So we have gone from



To it just being me who was wrong in your mind . Oh well you keep to your agenda I will stick to waiting for facts (not gossip, guessing games or assumptions) before labelling anyone.
...http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...e-sick-1891672
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