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Old 25-05-2013, 17:59
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Very good critique of the Platell article
http://stirthebeans.com/2013/05/25/poor-journalism/
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Old 25-05-2013, 18:37
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Seen the Platell article. Paedophiles will print it out so they can read it over and over.
As dorydaryl says she should have done her research, with lots of screen caps etc, and given it to the authorities, She could ask to tag along with the police raiding a house for example and write it up as proper journalism.
But that would involve actual time and effort on her part. People would rather make a quick buck - even out of something like this - than do the right thing.

I can't decide if this woman is one of the most naive and clueless people on the planet, or is trolling on behalf of the Fail. I actually think it's the former.
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Old 25-05-2013, 18:51
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I'll bet my left arm she was looking at regular porn sites..ie legal



If she's been looking at the sites I think she has, then it will be plainly obvious these are not child porn sites...Personally I think she's either being very nieve after finding a few role play porn movies...or she's knowingly exaggerating what she's actually seen...ie journalistic licence.

I agree. And MWT really ought to be au fait with the 'lets pretend we went on the computer' type story......

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereport...aily_mail.html
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Old 25-05-2013, 19:20
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"The Metropolitan Police says it is "liaising" with the Daily Mail after a journalist wrote about visiting child pornography sites."
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013...n_3335486.html
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Old 25-05-2013, 19:47
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MWT may not have used Facebook for the article but...

...I wasn't surprised that a vulnerable teenager, Ashleigh Hall, was groomed on Facebook before being brutally raped and killed.
He seems to have written that Facebook was just as dangerous.

Yes, my 14-year-old daughter uses Facebook, but with stringent privacy settings and a maximum of 30 friends, all of whom she must know genuinely - and I am one of them.
In MWT's article he gives advice to paedophiles how to con a young child.
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Old 25-05-2013, 21:28
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Mark Watts ‏@MarkWatts_1
Catholic Church and child sex abuse: police launch ‘Operation #Torva’ into British schools of #Salesian order. http://www.exaronews.com/articles/49...hild-sex-abuse
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Old 25-05-2013, 21:38
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"The Metropolitan Police says it is "liaising" with the Daily Mail after a journalist wrote about visiting child pornography sites."
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013...n_3335486.html
Liaising my arse. The police should throw the book at the Mail. This sort of "journalism" should never, ever be acceptable.
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Old 25-05-2013, 23:09
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Police investigate allegations of sex abuse at Catholic boarding school

Police are investigating allegations of abuse at a Catholic boarding school in the Scottish Highlands,
following complaints of a brutal regime in which boys were physically beaten, psychologically tortured and sexually assaulted. The school closed in 1993.

Cardinal Keith O'Brien, who resigned as Archbishop of St Andrews and Edinburgh in February after allegations of sexual misconduct, was a visitor to the school and guest of honour at last year's old boys' dinner.

Jimmy Savile, who owned a house in the Highlands, was also an occasional guest
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Was there any school/home/hospital that pervert didn't visit to get his kicks?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/ma...se-allegations
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Old 25-05-2013, 23:11
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more on Operation Torva

http://davidhencke.wordpress.com/201...atholic-order/

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...ols-20-1911825
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Huff Post article about Platell
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Steve Messham has started tweeting again
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Old 26-05-2013, 02:57
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Why I'm right to work with sex offenders
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Old 26-05-2013, 08:58
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First Yewtree case in court
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Old 26-05-2013, 09:49
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An old law may stop women in England and Wales, who were groomed for sex as teenage girls before 2004, from bringing charges against the people who took advantage of them. The issue was highlighted when two women were told they could not press charges because they did not report the abuse to the police within 12 months of it happening.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22640368#
I am confused. If this law is called into effect for these two women, why isn't it being used for the historic abuse accusations about Rolf Harris etc?
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Old 26-05-2013, 11:35
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Mark Williams Thomas has tweeted that he has reported the whole thing to the Police and CEOP. They are looking into it.

Here are some of his tweets:
I think he has done the right thing, however many of his own re-tweets have given too much detail of how to find sites featuring child pornography.
To give him his due, I haven't seen him link in this way for a while so perhaps he has realised the need for caution. If so, good for him.
I am confused. If this law is called into effect for these two women, why isn't it being used for the historic abuse accusations about Rolf Harris etc?
I hope someone who knows will come and explain (slowly and carefully please ) because I am confused about it too.
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Old 26-05-2013, 13:59
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March 2011 - 'Memories' of historic abuse leading to justice errors
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12881097

Memory On Trial
Do we understand enough about how memory works to properly assess evidence in sex abuse cases when allegations date back decades
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00zshnz
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Old 26-05-2013, 16:50
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I hope someone who knows will come and explain (slowly and carefully please ) because I am confused about it too.
I think this is down to the fact that the only available charge under the laws existing at the time of these two alleged offences by the schoolteachers against these pupils was:

1956 Sexual Offences Act, S6. Unlawful sexual intercourse by a man with a girl under 16. For a prosecution under this offence the offence had to be reported to police within 12 months.
(If the girl was under 13 it fell under S5 and there wasn't any deadline for reporting).

Under the 1956 Act there is an offence of indecent assault. There is no deadline for reporting of this offence. But it has been ruled that prosecutors cannot use this offence to try to bypass the time limit in what should be a S6 Unlawful Sexual Intercourse offence.
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Old 26-05-2013, 18:43
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I think this is down to the fact that the only available charge under the laws existing at the time of these two alleged offences by the schoolteachers against these pupils was:

1956 Sexual Offences Act, S6. Unlawful sexual intercourse by a man with a girl under 16. For a prosecution under this offence the offence had to be reported to police within 12 months.
(If the girl was under 13 it fell under S5 and there wasn't any deadline for reporting).

Under the 1956 Act there is an offence of indecent assault. There is no deadline for reporting of this offence. But it has been ruled that prosecutors cannot use this offence to try to bypass the time limit in what should be a S6 Unlawful Sexual Intercourse offence.
So if this is the case can we assume those being arrested or interviewed etc are being accused of crimes not of having unlawful underage sex with a girl aged 13 toi 16 but of an assault other than intercourse with a girl aged 13 to 16 or of unwanted intercourse with a person over 16 ? or under 13 ?

That probably sounds as clear as mud but I know what I mean .
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Old 26-05-2013, 19:25
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The Mail on Sunday published a sensationalised and selective account of Crimewatch's Nick Ross's new book Crime

http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/news/a...ng-men-on.html

forcing the publisher to put the whole chapter about sex crimes online

https://www.bitebackpublishing.com/p...-on-sex-crimes

so we can read what he actually wrote.
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Old 26-05-2013, 20:52
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Nick Ross will be on #5live Nolan tonight regarding his comments about rape.

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here
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Former Crimewatch presenter Nick Ross provokes fury with rape comments
Nick Ross appeared to claim that rape victims were partly responsible if they were drunk or provocatively dressed
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...s-8632730.html

There's a thread about it
http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showthread.php?t=1830391
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Old 26-05-2013, 21:57
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March 2011 - 'Memories' of historic abuse leading to justice errors
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12881097

Memory On Trial
Do we understand enough about how memory works to properly assess evidence in sex abuse cases when allegations date back decades
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00zshnz
Some interesting stuff in there and something that could also apply to the way others have come forward to accuse celebs.

So if this is the case can we assume those being arrested or interviewed etc are being accused of crimes not of having unlawful underage sex with a girl aged 13 toi 16 but of an assault other than intercourse with a girl aged 13 to 16 or of unwanted intercourse with a person over 16 ? or under 13 ?

That probably sounds as clear as mud but I know what I mean .
I know what you mean and that was my thoughts too.

The Mail on Sunday published a sensationalised and selective account of Crimewatch's Nick Ross's new book Crime

http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/news/a...ng-men-on.html

forcing the publisher to put the whole chapter about sex crimes online

https://www.bitebackpublishing.com/p...-on-sex-crimes

so we can read what he actually wrote.
So typical of the sensation seeking DM It is the same as the small piece extracted from the Barbara Hewson(?) article where she said the age of consent should be reduced. By reading the whole of the article as by reading the full chapter, it is obvious that the context is all important.

Much of what Nick Ross wrote is true and whilst there is NEVER an excuse for rape there MAY be mitigating circumstances which should be taken into account.

I also saw an article where it was said that soccer stars were the next in line for Yewtree. Why on earth the important cases like the North Wales care homes can't be dealt with before listening to women accusing celebs etc for what we do not know? Touching etc may be offensive and unwanted but is not in the same league as rape and genuine sexual abuse yet seems to be so treated by the police.
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Old 26-05-2013, 22:01
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I think this is down to the fact that the only available charge under the laws existing at the time of these two alleged offences by the schoolteachers against these pupils was:

1956 Sexual Offences Act, S6. Unlawful sexual intercourse by a man with a girl under 16. For a prosecution under this offence the offence had to be reported to police within 12 months.
(If the girl was under 13 it fell under S5 and there wasn't any deadline for reporting).

Under the 1956 Act there is an offence of indecent assault. There is no deadline for reporting of this offence. But it has been ruled that prosecutors cannot use this offence to try to bypass the time limit in what should be a S6 Unlawful Sexual Intercourse offence.
Thank you for taking the time to explain.
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Old 26-05-2013, 22:40
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The information in this thread is so well resourced.

I read bits here and here but never contribute so I just wanted to thank the regulars for their efforts.

You sure have stamina for this dreadful sad saga.
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Old 27-05-2013, 01:00
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So if this is the case can we assume those being arrested or interviewed etc are being accused of crimes not of having unlawful underage sex with a girl aged 13 toi 16 but of an assault other than intercourse with a girl aged 13 to 16 or of unwanted intercourse with a person over 16 ? or under 13 ?

That probably sounds as clear as mud but I know what I mean .
I think I know what you mean , but if this clarifies it a bit more:-

- They can't be prosecuted for sexual intercourse with anyone over 12.
- They could be prosecuted for sexual intercourse with anyone up to 12.
- They could be prosecuted for rape of anyone of any age.
- They could be prosecuted for indecent assault of anyone of any age.

Complaints seem most likely to fit the indecent assault offence, for which there can be a Defence of Consent in cases where the complainant was 16 or over but not where the complainant was under 16.

ETA: The above are all assuming female complainants - theres loads more variations when it comes to male complainants
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Old 27-05-2013, 03:11
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Nick Ross being interviewed by Stephen Nolan tonight
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode...an_26_05_2013/
1hr 6mins in

Nolan has him wriggling.
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