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Old 04-06-2013, 15:54
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A popular singer who likes to partake in certain festive activities per chance?!
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Old 04-06-2013, 15:56
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Have you just based that on someone being 72, Ken Clark is 72 ???
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Old 04-06-2013, 15:57
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Lucy Manning's twitter feed suggest's it's not a "Hold the Front Page" name so probably not a celeb.
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Old 04-06-2013, 16:03
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03 Oct 2012  Exposure programme
09 Oct 2012  Jimmy Savile declared a “predatory sex offender” by police

28 Oct 2012  Gary Glitter                arrested       no charges

01 Nov 2012  Freddie Starr               arrested       no charges
24 Apr 2013  Freddie Starr     	         re-arrested    no charges

11 Nov 2012  Wilfred D'Ath               arrested       cleared

15 Nov 2012  Dave Lee Travis             arrested       no charges
13 Mar 2013  Dave Lee Travis             re-arrested    no charges

29 Nov 2012  A Berkshire man             questioned
29 Mar 2013  A Berkshire man             arrested       no charges
19 Apr 2013  Berkshire man named as Rolf Harris 

06 Dec 2012  Max Clifford                arrested       no charges
26 Apr 2013  Max Clifford                Charged with 11 indecent assaults

10 Dec 2012  A South London man          arrested       no charges 
03 Apr 2013  Named as David Smith        charged with 5 sexual offences

19 Dec 2012  Ted Beston                  arrested       no charges
14 May 2013  Ted Beston                  released without charge

02 Jan 2013  Jim Davidson                arrested       no charges

02 Jan 2013  A man                       arrested       no charges

05 Feb 2013  A South London man          arrested       no charges
03 Jun 2013  A South London man          released without charge

04 Apr 2013  A Somerset man              arrested       no charges

  
03 Jun 2013  72yr old East Londoner      arrested       no charges
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Old 04-06-2013, 16:08
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Lucy Manning's twitter feed suggest's it's not a "Hold the Front Page" name so probably not a celeb.
Which is unfortunate for a certain celeb, because if you search his name on Twitter, the Kitty seems to be well and truly out of the bag.

The anonymity of those arrested can work against people in cases like this, where there's a huge amount of gossip going on, sadly.
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Old 04-06-2013, 16:16
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Indications from journos on twitter are that it's not a 'hold the front page' arrest. Not anyone famous.
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Old 04-06-2013, 16:17
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Which is unfortunate for a certain celeb, because if you search his name on Twitter, the Kitty seems to be well and truly out of the bag.

The anonymity of those arrested can work against people in cases like this, where there's a huge amount of gossip going on, sadly.
Bit like a certain Market Trader when JT was arrested everyone thought it was him.
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Old 04-06-2013, 16:28
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03 Jun 2013  72yr old East Londoner      arrested       no charges
In fairness, we don't actually know he's an East Londoner, just that he was arrested in East London.
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Old 04-06-2013, 17:03
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In fairness, we don't actually know he's an East Londoner, just that he was arrested in East London.
True...the BBC must be pleased I didn't refer to him as an East ender.
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Old 04-06-2013, 18:18
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Bit like a certain Market Trader when JT was arrested everyone thought it was him.
Who's JT?
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Old 04-06-2013, 18:20
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Old 04-06-2013, 18:25
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Old 04-06-2013, 18:27
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Have you just based that on someone being 72, Ken Clark is 72 ???
As are Tom Jones and Ringo Starr. All this plucking 72 year old celebs at random is pure speculation and the general description of '72' could apply to any number of people.
Leave them alone, nothing worth publishing until it's fact not rumour.
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Old 04-06-2013, 19:09
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Tonight BBC1 10.35pm, The Unspeakable Crime: Rape

30 mins later in Wales and N.E.

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Old 04-06-2013, 19:29
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"Retired High Court judge Dame Linda Dobbs is to lead an investigation for the BBC into broadcaster Stuart Hall's conduct at the corporation."

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Old 04-06-2013, 20:24
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You could not make it up !!

Graham Ovenden sex crimes: Artist gets suspended jail term

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-22763701

I thought Cottle had a reputation for being harsh on sex offenders
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Old 04-06-2013, 21:21
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03 Oct 2012  Exposure programme
09 Oct 2012  Jimmy Savile declared a “predatory sex offender” by police

28 Oct 2012  Gary Glitter                arrested       no charges

01 Nov 2012  Freddie Starr               arrested       no charges
24 Apr 2013  Freddie Starr     	         re-arrested    no charges

11 Nov 2012  Wilfred D'Ath               arrested       cleared

15 Nov 2012  Dave Lee Travis             arrested       no charges
13 Mar 2013  Dave Lee Travis             re-arrested    no charges

29 Nov 2012  A Berkshire man             questioned
29 Mar 2013  A Berkshire man             arrested       no charges
19 Apr 2013  Berkshire man named as Rolf Harris 

06 Dec 2012  Max Clifford                arrested       no charges
26 Apr 2013  Max Clifford                Charged with 11 indecent assaults

10 Dec 2012  A South London man          arrested       no charges 
03 Apr 2013  Named as David Smith        charged with 5 sexual offences

19 Dec 2012  Ted Beston                  arrested       no charges
14 May 2013  Ted Beston                  released without charge

02 Jan 2013  Jim Davidson                arrested       no charges

02 Jan 2013  A man                       arrested       no charges

05 Feb 2013  A South London man          arrested       no charges
03 Jun 2013  A South London man          released without charge

04 Apr 2013  A Somerset man              arrested       no charges

  
03 Jun 2013  72yr old East Londoner      arrested       no charges
Anyone know the legal distinction between 'cleared' and 'no charge'?
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Old 04-06-2013, 21:52
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Anyone know the legal distinction between 'cleared' and 'no charge'?
I seem to remember something on the legal programme on Radio 4 (name escapes me) about cleared being no crime and "no charge" basically meaning insufficient evidence.
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Old 04-06-2013, 21:57
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You could not make it up !!

Graham Ovenden sex crimes: Artist gets suspended jail term

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-22763701

I thought Cottle had a reputation for being harsh on sex offenders
Its hardly worth the bother of a trial!
What on earth is the judge talking about? ......"Ovenden had a sexual interest in children "at that time". At that time? Does it ever change?
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Old 04-06-2013, 22:19
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Anyone know the legal distinction between 'cleared' and 'no charge'?
This ain't a legal definition but...

In my chart, the first line is date of event, usually arrest and if a charge was brought on that day.

If you believe innocent until proven guilty then it's fair to say they've been cleared if someone is released from arrest or the charges dropped.

The oppressive state machine does not like to admit it arrested the wrong person so someone will not often be 'cleared' unless they go to trial, they will instead be released due to insufficient evidence.
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Old 04-06-2013, 22:24
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This ain't a legal definition but...

In my chart, the first line is date of event, usually arrest and if a charge was brought on that day.

If you believe innocent until proven guilty then it's fair to say they've been cleared if someone is released from arrest or the charges dropped.

The oppressive state machine does not like to admit it arrested the wrong person so someone will not often be 'cleared' unless they go to trial, they will instead be released due to insufficient evidence.
Which can often mean a complaint was made but there is no evidence at all to back it up, it could mean the person is innocent entirely or it could be they are guilty but have got away with it . However if they are inncoent and named there will be the "no smoke without fire" brigade for ever more.
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Old 04-06-2013, 22:25
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You could not make it up !!

Graham Ovenden sex crimes: Artist gets suspended jail term

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-22763701

I thought Cottle had a reputation for being harsh on sex offenders
He (Cottle) also said he had to consider Ovenden's age, health self-inflicted punishment, such as the damage to his reputation as an artist which had been "severely tarnished".

What rubbish is that?

That shouldn't be a consideration in his summing up.

Reading this has made me very
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Old 04-06-2013, 22:32
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He (Cottle) also said he had to consider Ovenden's age, health self-inflicted punishment, such as the damage to his reputation as an artist which had been "severely tarnished".

What rubbish is that?

That shouldn't be a consideration in his summing up.

Reading this has made me very
Me too. Where on earth do they find these idiot judges? It really makes me wonder why so many of them treat child abuse so lightly.
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Old 04-06-2013, 22:48
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"The woman at the centre of allegations against the MP for Portsmouth South, Mike Hancock, has been speaking exclusively to the BBC. The 37 year-old woman has brought a High Court civil case, claiming sexual assault."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politic...05#TWEET778542
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Old 04-06-2013, 22:53
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Sometimes arrested people are named, sometimes not.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/ju...ration-yewtree
Operation Yewtree: 65-year-old man will not face prosecution
Metropolitan police say there is insufficient evidence against man arrested in February on suspicion of sexual offences
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