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Old 06-06-2013, 18:39
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The story is breaking now about Bill Roache

Won't be seeing him on Coronation Street again

Further charges to come tomorrow
From where ?
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Old 06-06-2013, 20:14
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Latest scores: #yewtree 13 - #fernbridge 0. Related to the amount of police resources allocated to each maybe?
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Old 06-06-2013, 20:26
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So is anyone accused automatically guilty in your mind ? even after the original accuser states publicly he made a mistake on identity ?
Sometimes an accuser can be paid off or made to change their accusations.
Not saying it happened with Mr Messham.
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Old 06-06-2013, 21:02
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Re Steven Messham- I have some questions

The police/ CPS surely seem to be missing the point. If the person in the photo was NOT Lord M then who was it? What has been done to investigate, identify and prosecute the person who DID abuse him?

The whole Bercow ruling just seems to be a distraction/ getting in the way of actually persuing the story that newsnight originally ran with.
You're assuming there really was a photograph.

No records of such a thing. Everybody except Newsnight knew all about Messham and his wild claims.. .
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Old 06-06-2013, 21:16
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They say that "Mud sticks" and there appear to be a slinger or two around.
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Old 06-06-2013, 21:28
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Jimmy Savile operating camera on Top of The Pops.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISEcCWpPeUk

Isn't she lovely?..with Lewis Collins before he was in the Professionals
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Old 06-06-2013, 23:38
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Re Steven Messham- I have some questions

The police/ CPS surely seem to be missing the point. If the person in the photo was NOT Lord M then who was it? What has been done to investigate, identify and prosecute the person who DID abuse him?

The whole Bercow ruling just seems to be a distraction/ getting in the way of actually persuing the story that newsnight originally ran with.
Was the abuser not Jimmie McAlpine - http://google-law.blogspot.co.uk/201...ild-abuse.html and http://theneedleblog.wordpress.com/2...immy-mcalpine/ - who died in 1991 a cousin of Lord Alistair McAlpine.
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Old 07-06-2013, 09:26
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03 Oct 2012  Exposure programme
09 Oct 2012  Jimmy Savile declared a “predatory sex offender” by police

28 Oct 2012  Gary Glitter                arrested       no charges

01 Nov 2012  Freddie Starr               arrested       no charges
24 Apr 2013  Freddie Starr     	         re-arrested    no charges

11 Nov 2012  Wilfred D'Ath               arrested       released without charge

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19 Apr 2013  Berkshire man named as Rolf Harris 

06 Dec 2012  Max Clifford                arrested       no charges
26 Apr 2013  Max Clifford                Charged with 11 indecent assaults

10 Dec 2012  Man in South London         arrested       no charges 
03 Apr 2013  Named as David Smith        charged with 5 sexual offences

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02 Jan 2013  Jim Davidson                arrested       no charges

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Old 07-06-2013, 14:04
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Was the abuser not Jimmie McAlpine - http://google-law.blogspot.co.uk/201...ild-abuse.html and http://theneedleblog.wordpress.com/2...immy-mcalpine/ - who died in 1991 a cousin of Lord Alistair McAlpine.
Thanks- an interesting read. I still don't really understand why so many people focus on the libel trial with Bercow and the 'mis-identification' from Messham as opposed to asking the questions that really need answers.

If it wasn't him in the photo, who was it?
Messham claimed the police gave him the wrong name- has this been investigated? Who gave him the name? are their records of the police procedure at the time? Why hasn't the identity of the actual person in the photo been investigated and reported in the main stream media seeing as the Bercow trial was such big news?

It's all gone rather quiet on that front and the law suit just seems like a complete distraction from the more important issues here. Just my opinion of course.
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Old 07-06-2013, 16:19
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Thanks- an interesting read. I still don't really understand why so many people focus on the libel trial with Bercow and the 'mis-identification' from Messham as opposed to asking the questions that really need answers.

If it wasn't him in the photo, who was it?
Messham claimed the police gave him the wrong name- has this been investigated? Who gave him the name? are their records of the police procedure at the time? Why hasn't the identity of the actual person in the photo been investigated and reported in the main stream media seeing as the Bercow trial was such big news?
Really, are you sure about that, do you have a link where he said it?
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Old 07-06-2013, 16:27
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Really, are you sure about that, do you have a link where he said it?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20269114

Steve Messham said police had shown him a picture of his abuser but incorrectly told him the man was Lord McAlpine
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Old 07-06-2013, 19:03
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20269114

Steve Messham said police had shown him a picture of his abuser but incorrectly told him the man was Lord McAlpine
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Sorry, I meant before 9 Nov 2012.

So we are clear this is from that article and is part of Steve Messham's statement...

...this [is] not the person I identified by photograph presented to me by the police in the early 1990s, who told me the man in the photograph was Lord McAlpine."
Steve didn't know the name of his abuser until the police showed him a photograph and wrongly identified the person.

Steve Messham told Pariac O'Brien on Nov 6 on C4 News there were photos he stole in 1979 of abusers....

Q: And you saw other mens faces?

SM: Mmmm (nod)

Q: Clearly?

SM: Very Clearly, as clear as you can see mine.

Q: Who’s face?

SM: The prominent Tory member for one

Q: His face, you could clearly see his face in one of those photographs?

SM: Yes

Q: How did you know who he was?

SM: By the threats I got. When he threatened me he said, he told me who he was for a start and number two he’d have me killed if I spoke out. But that was their standard way of doing stuff, most abusers are like that.
No mention of the police telling him who it was 10-12 years later.

From the Waterhouse Report in 2000, this appears to be the only allegation made connected to the family...

52.16 ......The alleged abuser referred to by B, whom we will call X, has the surname of a well known and large non-Welsh family and he is said to be dead now..... According to B's statement to the police, X had several different motor cars and would wait for him at the bottom of Bryn Estyn Lane.... B alleged that he was buggered by X on four or five of these occasions....he knew the christian name of X but that he was unwilling to disclose it.

B was unable to say who had told him X's name.

Both Detective Superintendent Ackerley and Dean Nelson, a journalist to whom X had been mentioned, were asked about any further enquiries that they made to establish his identity.

Ackerley said that it was difficult to identify which member of the family was being referred to: he never had anything tangible to get hold of.

Nelson was more outspoken. He said that the name was mentioned to him but he never received any proper allegation about X. He added: "So far as I was concerned the X thing was a distraction."
Again no mention of police identifying anyone from a photograph.

Steve has a habit of retrospectively pointing the finger at others.
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Old 07-06-2013, 21:13
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Panel lets 11 teachers who showed improper behaviour towards pupils stay in profession
Eleven teachers who behaved inappropriately towards pupils have escaped being struck off by the same conduct panel that said a man who viewed child abuse images could return to the classroom.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education...rofession.html
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Old 07-06-2013, 22:03
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Panel lets 11 teachers who showed improper behaviour towards pupils stay in profession
Eleven teachers who behaved inappropriately towards pupils have escaped being struck off by the same conduct panel that said a man who viewed child abuse images could return to the classroom.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education...rofession.html
The panel clearly dont give a monkeys about the safety of the children!
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Old 07-06-2013, 22:49
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Panel lets 11 teachers who showed improper behaviour towards pupils stay in profession
Eleven teachers who behaved inappropriately towards pupils have escaped being struck off by the same conduct panel that said a man who viewed child abuse images could return to the classroom.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education...rofession.html
The major question has got to be whether any of them actually got teaching jobs. If they did then there's going to be a major scandal, if not then I think it'll blow over.
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Old 07-06-2013, 23:00
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The panel clearly dont give a monkeys about the safety of the children!
No wonder reporters make plenty of money. They write sensationalist articles about perfectly ordinary matters and people become 'outraged' taking the headlines at face value and not actually reading the 'not quite so sensational' details.

The panel will have made an adverse decision in very many cases. These ones they have considered carefully and with possession of the actual facts which we don't have and nor do the reporters and the self appointed moral hitlers like the odious Williams-Thomas.
One of these cases for example, was a gent who had befriended a pupil and who, it was very clear, had no improper or untoward interest in her at all. He had simply been unwise in behaving in a way that could be wrongly perceived.
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Old 07-06-2013, 23:13
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The panel clearly dont give a monkeys about the safety of the children!
But is this reason to be struck off ?

Others who escaped being struck off included a headmaster who asked a girl who thought she might be pregnant “inappropriate” personal questions

Is it innappropriate for a teacher to ask questions in order to find things out in such a situation ? What were the questions and were they really inappropriate or just felt so by the pupil and parents ?

a teacher who had pictures of female pupils from social networking sites on his school laptop

Were they there alone for a sexual nature or was it that he was silly and befriended his pupils and had pics of his friends on his laptop.
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Old 07-06-2013, 23:25
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Thanks- an interesting read. I still don't really understand why so many people focus on the libel trial with Bercow and the 'mis-identification' from Messham as opposed to asking the questions that really need answers.

If it wasn't him in the photo, who was it?
Messham claimed the police gave him the wrong name- has this been investigated? Who gave him the name? are their records of the police procedure at the time? Why hasn't the identity of the actual person in the photo been investigated and reported in the main stream media seeing as the Bercow trial was such big news?

It's all gone rather quiet on that front and the law suit just seems like a complete distraction from the more important issues here. Just my opinion of course.
Jimmie McAlpine lived at Gerwyn Hall near Wrexham, owned a fleet of veteran cars including Rolls Royce and 1934 Hispano Suiza. He also had boys from local Homes to play cricket at his home and to do "gardening" there. It is very easy to see that someone (even local police) could confuse Jimmie McAlpine and Lord McAlpine considering the former's considerable wealth and local status. It is quite conceivable that Messham was told the original photograph was of McAlpine and his memory added the "Lord" to that over the years.
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Old 08-06-2013, 01:10
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Thanks- an interesting read. I still don't really understand why so many people focus on the libel trial with Bercow and the 'mis-identification' from Messham as opposed to asking the questions that really need answers.

If it wasn't him in the photo, who was it?
Messham claimed the police gave him the wrong name- has this been investigated? Who gave him the name? are their records of the police procedure at the time? Why hasn't the identity of the actual person in the photo been investigated and reported in the main stream media seeing as the Bercow trial was such big news?

It's all gone rather quiet on that front and the law suit just seems like a complete distraction from the more important issues here. Just my opinion of course.
Everything you say I echo.
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Old 08-06-2013, 09:04
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Jimmie McAlpine lived at Gerwyn Hall near Wrexham, owned a fleet of veteran cars including Rolls Royce and 1934 Hispano Suiza. He also had boys from local Homes to play cricket at his home and to do "gardening" there. It is very easy to see that someone (even local police) could confuse Jimmie McAlpine and Lord McAlpine considering the former's considerable wealth and local status. It is quite conceivable that Messham was told the original photograph was of McAlpine and his memory added the "Lord" to that over the years.
Sounds like Mr X in Message #3312.
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Old 08-06-2013, 09:53
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You could not make it up !!

Graham Ovenden sex crimes: Artist gets suspended jail term

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-22763701

I thought Cottle had a reputation for being harsh on sex offenders
Could this be the reason for the suspended jail term?
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Old 08-06-2013, 12:19
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Providing links others choose to ignore...

Millionaire Darren Laverty who was one those who were in childrens homes in North Wales, offers a challenge connected to The Jillings Report and a website that doesn't like the truth?

Here Darren explains how the Jillings Report has made him a millionaire.
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Old 08-06-2013, 22:31
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Gove blocks plans to make schools report sexual abuse
http://www.exaronews.com/articles/49...port-sex-abuse
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Old 08-06-2013, 23:33
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No wonder reporters make plenty of money. They write sensationalist articles about perfectly ordinary matters and people become 'outraged' taking the headlines at face value and not actually reading the 'not quite so sensational' details.

The panel will have made an adverse decision in very many cases. These ones they have considered carefully and with possession of the actual facts which we don't have and nor do the reporters and the self appointed moral hitlers like the odious Williams-Thomas.
One of these cases for example, was a gent who had befriended a pupil and who, it was very clear, had no improper or untoward interest in her at all. He had simply been unwise in behaving in a way that could be wrongly perceived.
And the one who drove the young pupil down a country lane and kissed him or her? And the one who had downloaded child pornography?
Obviously there will be many cases where the offence (or complaint) was trivial and they did their job correctly but we are not discussing those cases are we? And there is no reason for them to be mentioned in the press.

But is this reason to be struck off ?

Others who escaped being struck off included a headmaster who asked a girl who thought she might be pregnant “inappropriate” personal questions

Is it innappropriate for a teacher to ask questions in order to find things out in such a situation ? What were the questions and were they really inappropriate or just felt so by the pupil and parents ?

a teacher who had pictures of female pupils from social networking sites on his school laptop

Were they there alone for a sexual nature or was it that he was silly and befriended his pupils and had pics of his friends on his laptop.
I think there are strict guidelines now for discussing matters such as pregnancy with pupils, and if he failed to follow the rules we should question why.

The facebook guidelines for teachers are very well known and anyone who disregards them either has a sinister purpose or is such a ridiculous fool that they should not be teaching anyway.
Every teacher is well informed about child protection.
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Paedophile Ian Edwards caged thanks to the Sunday Mirror

8 Jun 2013 20:07
Our investigation caught him trading vile child sex abuse images with other perverts on Twitter

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...#ixzz2VfXkHdiF
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