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Old 09-06-2013, 07:57
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Throw away the friggin key

'Dangerous' North Devon paedophile jailed for 24 years

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Old 09-06-2013, 11:09
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Now there's an Emmerdale Paedo!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ded-party.html
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Old 09-06-2013, 11:54
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How did a newspaper get this info, the man told the paper?

He is said to have told detectives that he was walking to an amateur drama production at the village where he grew up on the day of the alleged rape.

The actor is claimed to have pulled up in his car near the venue, approached the youngster and asked whether he recognised him.

The man said he told the television star he did know who he was.

He claimed the actor then pulled out a £5 note and said he would be throwing a party at his house that evening and it would be attended by famous actors and several agents.

The man said he got into the actor’s car and was taken to a house.

There he claims he was taken upstairs, pinned down by three men and assaulted by the actor.

The alleged victim told police he then blacked out, saying he finally came round when he was thrown out of the house naked.

He said that his clothes were thrown out behind him then the door of the house was slammed shut.
When did he know who his alleged abuser was?
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Old 09-06-2013, 22:52
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OK so many years ago I decided to get into a stranger's car after being offered money. I was taken to a house where 3 men took me upstairs and pinned me down. I was assaulted by X who had never told me who he was. I blacked out and came round when I was thrown out of the house followed by my clothes.

Right! I really believe all that. I must go to the police and make a similar accusation against someone famous so I can get some compensation.

I have real sympathy with those who were raped by anyone but this seems to be a "bandwagon jumper" to me.
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Old 10-06-2013, 15:25
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Just announced Andrew Lancel found Not Guilty.
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Old 10-06-2013, 15:51
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Just announced Andrew Lancel found Not Guilty.
It was a very quick decision by the jury, took 29 minutes to find him not guilty.
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Old 10-06-2013, 16:14
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Good news! Always liked him in the Bill and other programmes I've seen him in.
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Old 10-06-2013, 16:30
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And it goes on



http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...-no-paedo.html
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Old 10-06-2013, 16:39
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Its just wrong, by anyone's standards, for the media to be doorstepping people before the police have even contacted them
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Old 10-06-2013, 18:29
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Report of the Lancel trial
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Old 10-06-2013, 19:11
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Update on Operation Fernbridge
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Old 10-06-2013, 20:17
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It was a very quick decision by the jury, took 29 minutes to find him not guilty.
A case that can be thrown out by a jury in less than half an hour in hindsight probably shouldn't have been pursued by the CPS in the first place, although it almost sounds like the judge believed the defendant.
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Old 10-06-2013, 22:49
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Its just wrong, by anyone's standards, for the media to be doorstepping people before the police have even contacted them
Its also wrong of anyone to go to the papers if they have given a statement to the police , especially if they are the alleged victim.
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Old 11-06-2013, 00:24
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Apologies I meant the judge seemed to believe the accuser in his comments afterwards saying he was clearly scarred and very strangely said the verdict did not necessarily imply that sexual contact did not take place. Given Lancel denied any sexual contact outright and it took the jury half an hour to accquit him such an interpretation does not seem credible. It seems the judge believed him but the jury clearly did not, despite the judge trying to imply otherwise.
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Old 11-06-2013, 00:37
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Apologies I meant the judge seemed to believe the accuser in his comments afterwards saying he was clearly scarred and very strangely said the verdict did not necessarily imply that sexual contact did not take place. Given Lancel denied any sexual contact outright and it took the jury half an hour to accquit him such an interpretation does not seem credible. It seems the judge believed him but the jury clearly did not, despite the judge trying to imply otherwise.
Judge Clement Goldstone QC said: "The defendant was acquitted on the evidence, and rightly so, but it is important that the complainant, who is clearly scarred by an experience, should understand that the jury verdicts does not necessarily involve rejection of his account of a sexual encounter or encounters with the defendant.

"It is a statement that the prosecution have failed to make the jury sure that abuse of the type alleged occurred during the period covered by the indictment and in particular before the complainant's 16th birthday, now more than 18 years ago."
It sounds as if the illegality of the alleged acts depended on the complainants age at the time. In that case, the judge is quite correct. A "Not Guilty" veredict does not necessarily (and the judge does say 'not necessarily') mean that the jury disbelieved the complainant. Indeed, to his credit, he was honest in saying that he could not be certain when some encounters had happened.

It is not established at all whether or not the encounters as described did happen.

IF they occurred now, the age difference between the two, plus the fact that the older person could be argued to be in a position of power over the younger one (a 'mentor', as he said), MAY have led the jury to a different verdict if the encounters had happened more recently. However, the power balance between two parties is only a recent introduction to the law. You can't be tried for something that was not an offence at the time that it occurred so the prosecution would have had to concentrate solely on the age of the complainant in this case. .
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Old 11-06-2013, 13:07
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It sounds as if the illegality of the alleged acts depended on the complainants age at the time. In that case, the judge is quite correct. A "Not Guilty" veredict does not necessarily (and the judge does say 'not necessarily') mean that the jury disbelieved the complainant. Indeed, to his credit, he was honest in saying that he could not be certain when some encounters had happened.

It is not established at all whether or not the encounters as described did happen.

IF they occurred now, the age difference between the two, plus the fact that the older person could be argued to be in a position of power over the younger one (a 'mentor', as he said), MAY have led the jury to a different verdict if the encounters had happened more recently. However, the power balance between two parties is only a recent introduction to the law. You can't be tried for something that was not an offence at the time that it occurred so the prosecution would have had to concentrate solely on the age of the complainant in this case. .
Lancel's defence was not based on his accuser's age, he denied anything took place at all. For some reason (probably because he believed him) the judge has raised the issue of age as a red herring in the jury's verdict. The fact they accquited him in half an hour makes it very hard to draw any reasonable conclusion other than they simply did not believe his accuser's story.
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Old 11-06-2013, 13:39
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Lancel's defence was not based on his accuser's age, he denied anything took place at all. For some reason (probably because he believed him) the judge has raised the issue of age as a red herring in the jury's verdict. The fact they accquited him in half an hour makes it very hard to draw any reasonable conclusion other than they simply did not believe his accuser's story.
I would imagine the fact that they apparently continued to socialise until relatively recently ( most abuse victims have no choice but to be near their abuser as they are young and they have no choice about where they go and often it is a family member or friend, adults have more choice about where they go ) , the issue of rent arrears owed by the complainant ( it would make you think would an abuse victim once an adult choose to rent from their abuser) and the fact that he did not make a complaint until encouraged to do so by a current girlfriend would have made a large impact on the jurys decision.
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Old 11-06-2013, 17:32
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New abuse trial guidelines
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22857257
Includes pre-recording witness and victim statements, to reduce stress in court.
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Old 11-06-2013, 20:46
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Victims may pre-record evidence
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Old 12-06-2013, 11:01
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Lancel's defence was not based on his accuser's age, he denied anything took place at all. For some reason (probably because he believed him) the judge has raised the issue of age as a red herring in the jury's verdict. The fact they accquited him in half an hour makes it very hard to draw any reasonable conclusion other than they simply did not believe his accuser's story.
It doesn't matter what his defence was. If the jury was not convinced that the boy was under 16 at the time of the encounters, they would be obliged to acquit, whatever they thought of Lancel's defence.
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Old 12-06-2013, 17:06
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Max Clifford sex assaults trial set for 4 March

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Old 12-06-2013, 17:31
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Couldn't this make witness intimidation quite a lot easier?
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Old 12-06-2013, 18:02
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I wonder if it could backfire and leave some jurors emotionally detached.

It may just seem like watching an episode of a TV drama, actors on a screen performing from a script rather than real people.
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Old 12-06-2013, 18:24
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http://davidhencke.wordpress.com/201...itting-friend/
Michael Gove; the minister who doesn't want child sexual abuse in schools officially reported
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Old 12-06-2013, 18:47
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Liberal Democrat leader Nick Clegg has said a report into how allegations of sexual harassment involving Lord Rennard were handled makes for "sobering reading".
http://news.sky.com/story/1102803/li...plaints-report
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