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Old 17-06-2013, 05:10
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I'm a big fan of old TOTP clips, particularly Pans People, and wanted to watch them performing a dance to Papa Was A Rolling Stone. As soon as I clicked on the Youtube link, I saw Savile appear and stopped the clip and I feel really revolted now and upset. I wish any of these old clips involving him could be deleted.
I find Savile as repulsive as the next person in light of the revelations, but come on now...
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Old 17-06-2013, 06:47
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Out of interest how do you know about the 'D' notice, what date was it issued and how was it worded?
You've never heard of the 'D' notice?
It was issued around the time of the Iraq invasion.. March 2003).. (Google it - Operation ORE)
Believe it or not, but Operation ORE was massive, much bigger than Op Yewtree.....
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Old 17-06-2013, 06:58
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Well we don't actually know if he really was involved in Yewtree or whether thats just 'spin'. Certainly we don't know that he was involved in interviewing anyone. But again, people have rights and freedom to do what they want, even if that involves making a prat of themselves on reality tv, and that includes ex coppers.
IF what you state is correct, then how sick is the Daily Star the official newspaper of BB to seek publicity on the back of child abuse?

Another Desmond owned paper the Express had this....

But it was former Detective Constable Dan Neal, 33, who caused the biggest stir – quitting his role on Operation Yewtree to become one of the most controversial contestants in the show’s history.

The gay father-of-one, who played a key role in the investigation sparked by the Jimmy Savile scandal until quitting his job a month ago, walked into the house to cheers and applause.

Mr Neal confessed he had told none of his ex-colleagues about his move from the heart of the inquiry into television.

And last night it emerged police were “frantically ringing round” the victims of Savile’s abuse to reassure them their identities will not be revealed by the ex-Met Police detective.
Lawyer Liz Dux, ... represents 62 alleged victims .... said: “This is extremely traumatic for some of the victims.

“They have poured their hearts out to this detective – some of them disclosing details which they haven’t yet told their family. Now they fear that him appearing on Big Brother will mean that some highly *confidential information will be revealed.

“It’s not just the fear of what might come out on national *television. It’s also the fear of what this detective might be telling other housemates when the cameras are not on him which is giving them such torment.
So either Liz Dux is on the joke or she believes he was a policeman interviewing complainants. Scotland Yard issued a statement so they must be in on the joke as well?

Other broadcasters such as ITV have also been fooled into thinking he was a policeman working on Yewtree?

Scotland Yard contacted the broadcaster afterdetails first emerged about Mr Neal's previous career and his work on Operation Yewtree, the investigation into Savile.
The makers of BB know what entertains their audience and what would appeal to them.
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Old 17-06-2013, 07:16
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You've never heard of the 'D' notice?
It was issued around the time of the Iraq invasion.. March 2003).. (Google it - Operation ORE)
Believe it or not, but Operation ORE was massive, much bigger than Op Yewtree.....
I'm aware of what certain fanatical websites claim, isn't the D Notice system a voluntary code, operated by committee?

Do all editors, etc. have to use the system?
No, it is voluntary, and even when they do use the system, they do not have to accept the advice of the DA-Notice Secretary nor accede to his requests.
What is meant by ‘slapping a D-Notice on’ something?
This very dated phrase is still used by some people, and sounds dramatic, but it is no longer what actually happens! DA-Notices are not issued for particular incidents. The 5 standing Notices cover various eventualities, and, if necessary, the DA-Notice Secretary draws and editor's’ attention to the DA-Notice Secretary to the advice in the appropriate Notice.

Is the DA-Notice system a form of censorship?
No, by definition a voluntary system cannot be censorship, and the DA-Notice system is a form of guided media self-regulation. It does sometimes provide reasons for self-regulation by editors and others, in the same way that they are faced with self-regulation for all kinds of other reasons – legal, moral, financial, public taste, etc.
What powers does the DA-Notice Secretary/Committee have?
None, except those of persuasion
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Why does the media follow a voluntary code, surely they want to publish or broadcast their stories in full?
All editors do indeed want to publish or broadcast their story, but most do not want to publish or broadcast something which really would be damaging to national security operations or to lives.

If an editor does publish/broadcast (or threaten to) something which is damaging, what does the DA-Notice system do about it?
Nothing.
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Old 17-06-2013, 07:20
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IF what you state is correct, then how sick is the Daily Star the official newspaper of BB to seek publicity on the back of child abuse?

Another Desmond owned paper the Express had this....





So either Liz Dux is on the joke or she believes he was a policeman interviewing complainants. Scotland Yard issued a statement so they must be in on the joke as well?

Other broadcasters such as ITV have also been fooled into thinking he was a policeman working on Yewtree?



The makers of BB know what entertains their audience and what would appeal to them.
Come on i4u, you are not usually one to be ensnared by sensationalist reporting and to believe all that you read in the papers. Let alone getting your knickers in a twist over it. This is 100% a non event, except for CH5 and the tabloids once again trying to wring every last bit of mileage from the yewtree saga - with some success it would seem, in your case.
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Old 17-06-2013, 10:11
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BBC reporter in court:

Judith Moritz ‏@JudithMoritz 2m
Stuart Hall sentencing hearing has begun. Peter Wright QC speaking for the prosecution #BBCNews

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Old 17-06-2013, 10:41
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Judith Moritz ‏@JudithMoritz 55s
When the TV crew left, Hall was on his own with the girl and he forced a kiss on her

Assault 6: 15 yr old girl in 1976 when Hall presented North West Tonight. A TV crew went to film the girl at her home, with Hall.

The 13 yr old girl told another adult at the house what had happened. No action was taken

Assault 5: a 13 year old girl in 1976. Was at social evening with Hall. She had been sick. Hall put her in the bath, touched and kissed her

In interview in Jan 2013 Stuart Hall said this girl was a liar

Assault 4: in 1975 Hall indecently assaulted a 17 yr old girl who was working as a nanny for a family he knew

3rd assault happened in Blackpool against a girl who was 16/17. She was at event at Winter Gardens with Hall.

Hall told police the cheerleader assault was also a lie

Court hearing detail of Hall's second assault in 1973 after filming It's A Knockout in Ely. He forced himself on a 17 year old cheerleader

In police interview Stuart Hall said the girl's allegation was a lie

After the assault the girl refused to watch It's A Knockout and hated seeing Stuart Hall on TV

The girl recalls that the 'recording session' seemed amateurish. Hall drove her home, bought her vodka, then touched her indecently

Hall met his first victim when he presented prizes at her school speech day. He offered her a recording session at the BBC studios

Court now hearing detail of the first of Hall's indecent assaults, against a 16 yr old schoolgirl in late 1967 or early 1968.

Prosecution say Hall is eligible to receive a max sentence of 5 years. No sentence passed yet. Will be later this morning.

Stuart Hall has headphones to help with hearing in the dock, but is not currently wearing them

Pros: Hall indecently assaulted 13 girls aged 9 - 17 between 1967 - 87
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Old 17-06-2013, 11:30
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Defence: "in the dock today is a frightened and bewildered 83 year old man"
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Old 17-06-2013, 12:22
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Sentencing to be at 12.40 pm, apparently.
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Old 17-06-2013, 13:05
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Prison it is! Judge has confirmed Stu Hall's going down!

EDIT fifteen months, it seems.
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Old 17-06-2013, 13:13
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Defence: "in the dock today is a frightened and bewildered 83 year old man"
Not the impression he gave before he decided to admit his guilt
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Old 17-06-2013, 13:13
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Prison it is! Judge has confirmed Stu Hall's going down!

EDIT fifteen months, it seems.
I thought I heard 14 months on the radio just now.
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Old 17-06-2013, 13:17
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Prison it is! Judge has confirmed Stu Hall's going down!

EDIT fifteen months, it seems.
On the BBC website it says 15 months, so I heard wrong

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-22932222
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Old 17-06-2013, 13:25
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Only 15 months, what an effing joke, still, it is the UK were in, so its as expected i guess
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Old 17-06-2013, 13:28
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Only 15 months, what an effing joke, still, it is the UK were in, so its as expected i guess
The complete and utter destruction of his reputation in 60 years of broadcasting is probably a greater punishment than any judge could mete out. the judge would have to take into account his age, how long ago the offences took place, and the seriousness of the offences, so IMO the judge got it right
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Old 17-06-2013, 13:29
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I did wonder if Hall would get a suspended sentence - because of his age. Glad he's been sent to prison. It might not be a particularly long sentence, but prison will be tough for someone of his age.

And, as stargazer61 says, Hall's reputation being ruined is punishment in itself.

Wonder how long Savile would've got?
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Old 17-06-2013, 13:32
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Only 15 months, what an effing joke, still, it is the UK were in, so its as expected i guess
The imprisonment rate in England and Wales is the highest of any major country in western Europe.
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Old 17-06-2013, 13:33
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The complete and utter destruction of his reputation in 60 years of broadcasting is probably a greater punishment than any judge could mete out. the judge would have to take into account his age, how long ago the offences took place, and the seriousness of the offences, so IMO the judge got it right
And just who's fault is that??

I don't understand when people say things like this.

He deserves everything he gets....and more
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Old 17-06-2013, 13:40
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And just who's fault is that??

I don't understand when people say things like this.

He deserves everything he gets....and more
It was his own fault!!! I was merely pointing out that the destruction of his reputation as a broadcaster is also a punishment. I was not suggesting that he should not be jailed as well. The majority of people who go to jail are relatively anonymous and their crimes go unnoticed by all but their local community. Hall's career and reputation was nationwide and thus his humiliation greater.....and humiliation can be a form of punishment in itself
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Old 17-06-2013, 13:48
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It was his own fault!!! I was merely pointing out that the destruction of his reputation as a broadcaster is also a punishment. I was not suggesting that he should not be jailed as well. The majority of people who go to jail are relatively anonymous and their crimes go unnoticed by all but their local community. Hall's career and reputation was nationwide and thus his humiliation greater.....and humiliation can be a form of punishment in itself
Good!!

I used to be a big fan of Mr Hall and loved hearing his eloquent words about a football game.

He was very derisory of the victims before he admitted his guilt and called them liars....:..what a guy...
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Old 17-06-2013, 13:54
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Well that's another job for the editors who will no doubt be busy removing clips of a certain tv show from all the historical montages.....
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Old 17-06-2013, 14:00
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As he's led into the entrance hall of jail, perhaps they could play a recording of him laughing in that raucous drawn-out way he used to on It's a Knockout.
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Old 17-06-2013, 14:03
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I get the feeling some would like to have played "The Joker" and had his score doubled.
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Old 17-06-2013, 14:15
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IF what you state is correct, then how sick is the Daily Star the official newspaper of BB to seek publicity on the back of child abuse?

Another Desmond owned paper the Express had this....





So either Liz Dux is on the joke or she believes he was a policeman interviewing complainants. Scotland Yard issued a statement so they must be in on the joke as well?

Other broadcasters such as ITV have also been fooled into thinking he was a policeman working on Yewtree?



The makers of BB know what entertains their audience and what would appeal to them.
Was Liz Dux gearing up to claim further compensation from Channel 5 maybe ? whilst we all know all lawyers do it from the goodness of their heart maybe she thought of the extra commission she would make from another claim.
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Old 17-06-2013, 14:34
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The BBC have apologised for the appalling acts as a fair number of them took place on BBC property . Does this mean that they are culpable in any way?
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