[jamtamara]

"If I can get away with only going half way around a track, I will."

"I don't always tell the truth."

"I can get anything, me."

"I can get anything, and I can do anything."

[Asmo]

Originally Posted by jamtamara

I have just found this link which denies that JS was ever a Knight of Malta despite media reports.

http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles...f-Malta.453376

He was given a decoration by people in this country but not made a member honorary or otherwise.

Not a 'member' per se, but he was apparently given an 'honorary' title of some sort:

http://maltastar.com/dart/20121027-w...night-of-malta

Jimmy Savile is listed as one of the recipients of the Order pro merito Melitensi of the Sovereign Military Order of Malta published in the Annual Report of the British Association, Sovereign Military Order of Malta, 2010

Although, strictly speaking, honorees become knights or dames, they are not invested in a religious ceremony as knights and dames of the Order of Malta itself

So there would have been many opportunities for him to blag, or grab, a robe for his customary gurning photo commemorating the event!

There were all sorts of suggestions that there was a 'Masonic' contingent at his funeral, and as I recall, it turned out it was a Knights of Malta contingent that had turned out in their outfits.

[Phoenix Lazarus]

Originally Posted by jamtamara

"If I can get away with only going half way around a track, I will."

"I don't always tell the truth."

"I can get anything, me."

"I can get anything, and I can do anything."

Also, frequent allusions to himself being 'The Godfather', as well as women giving you 'brain damage'.

[Sad_BB_Addict]

Tom Watson MP
http://www.tom-watson.co.uk/2013/01/...-been-launched

I urge any witnesses or victims to come forward if they think they can help with the inquiry.
No matter what has happened in the past, now is the time for your voice to be heard.

[IzzyS]

Originally Posted by whatever54

true and if you performed badly in exams at school (I think that's what they mean) then be worried....I'd bet my life the majority of criminals have a bad memory

Go for it, you have a lovely writing style btw

Oh? thank you. I feared I waffle on a bit much(!).

Originally Posted by jamtamara

My OH is short and ambidextrous. He is very good at spoonerisms and Countdown and Scrabble. He can do those better than I can. I agree that left-handedness/ambidextrousness is a red herring and a bit thoughtless. Left-handed people have enough trouble already, already!

Still, it's good that we can discuss it. Izzy, I too think you should do the creative writing. It has your name on it.

My mum loves Countdown but she always shouts out the words/anagrams or solves the maths problems out loud when its on, which infuriates my dad (and me when im on holiday and watch it ocassionally) because it gives us no time to try and attempt it ourselves

Thanks - I don't know if there's anything on offer but ill have a look in the local paper tomorrow.

[IzzyS]

I just spotted this:-

Sex Ring Trial: Girl Talked Out Of Complaint http://news.sky.com/story/1039430/se...t-of-complaint

(apologies if already posted/referred to above but I don't think so?).

Horrible stories, its shocking such things go on.

She claimed she had been "sold" to Karrar by an unnamed man to "cure her bad attitude", Mr Lucas said.

Cure her bad attitude indeed(!) the mind boggles.

[IzzyS]

Regarding the Knights of Malta label, I found the following from the biography (obviously can't verify authenticity though):-

Jimmy is also one of 250 Knights of Malta from the UK and proudly wore his distinctive Maltese Cross around his neck, especially when calling at the island during a cruise. Nephew Roger Foster recalled that Jimmy was given the award for his charity work. The aims of the Order of Malta are to live by Christian example and to help the poor and the sick, regardless of religion or race. They also help provide emergency aid to disaster areas throughout the world.

Originally Posted by jamtamara

...Was he even a member of Mensa I wonder or was that 'honorary' membership as well.

The book says the following about Mensa -

He became a member of Mensa in 1977, with an IQ of 150, putting him in the top one per cent of highly intelligent people.

However, the book also claims he was the only person to get two This Is Your Life shows/books, which others here have already pointed out to be untrue.

Flicking through the next few pages out of curiosity, I notice it goes on to talk about his final interview on October 25th 2011 and I noticed it states that one of three other people in his flat with him was

Mick Starkey, a just-retired West Yorkshire police inspector, who had popped in.

oh aye? and a couple of paragraphs on it goes on to say

He always said: 'Go on, ask me anything, I'll talk about anything you want.' If he didn't want to answer me he would usually change the subject with a zany comment. When I asked him how it felt to be reaching 85, he was oddly reticent, but then joked: 'So many women, so little time.'

*balk*.

[stationeryfan]

Originally Posted by Eurostar

I'd never even heard some of this stuff about paedophiles being left handed with low IQ etc,, and yet it would seem to match a lot of these guys that get caught and imprisoned.....quite a few of them appear to be socially isolated misfits alright and not the most articulate of people.

My humble theory would be that there are paedophiles who are left handed and those who are right handed, short and tall, etc etc. There are also paedophiles with low IQs and paedophiles with high IQ. I imagine the ones who get caught and get caught more easily are the ones with lower IQs, which probably skews any sample somewhat. Savile is certainly one example of a higher-IQ paedophile who managed to get away with it for much longer

[Sad_BB_Addict]

The Elm Guest House inquiry
http://www.itv.com/news/story/2013-0...-abuse-claims/

[luckylegs]

Originally Posted by jamtamara

Thanks for your post. I have looked at the type of robes but there is nothing like the one i saw on the DI site.

I have just found this link which denies that JS was ever a Knight of Malta despite media reports.

http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles...f-Malta.453376

He was given a decoration by people in this country but not made a member honorary or otherwise.

Was he even a member of Mensa I wonder or was that 'honorary' membership as well.

The V sash collars are regalia of the Knights of Saint Columba which is a Catholic fraternal service which was founded in Glasgow in 1919

http://www.colinspiller.pwp.blueyond...Summer2009.htm


http://www.colinspiller.pwp.blueyond...dsP5/index.htm

[jamtamara]

It was the pic on here. Later on there will be the same pic with another of JS in a mask but it's an epic trawl and I haven't got time at the moment. Hope link works.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showt...222773&page=21

Just a kaftan you might say but the question is why is he wearing it: as some kind of statement perhaps - and then there is the mask. It's no proof of anything in itself but could indicate a predilection for ritual and dark matter.

(No connection with Knights of any kind intended.)

[Asmo]

Looks pretty standard issue for the late 60s/early 70s to me!
An Uncle of mine had loads of outfits like that, but with the mountain of hair he had I doubt he'd have been able to put the hood up.
Sort of thing a Led Zep fan out to impress would have in their arsenal when entertaining at home

[Sad_BB_Addict]

David Icke on Operation Fernbridge
http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/7...ll-be-watching

[Sad_BB_Addict]

More about child abuse cover-ups on Jersey
http://voiceforchildren.blogspot.co....heory-and.html

[BeethovensPiano]

Good grief, that David Icke forum thread is 2113 pages long.

[IzzyS]

Originally Posted by Phoenix Lazarus

Also, frequent allusions to himself being 'The Godfather', as well as women giving you 'brain damage'.

Out of curiosity, is there a link between the two?

[Phoenix Lazarus]

Originally Posted by IzzyS

Out of curiosity, is there a link between the two?

No-I just mentioned them as two other Savillisms, which betray possibly suspect attitudes, and that were not included in the list that I quoted.

[Sad_BB_Addict]

Another victim comes forward
http://www.miltonkeynes.co.uk/news/l...vile-1-4697752

[jamtamara]

Originally Posted by Phoenix Lazarus

No-I just mentioned them as two other Savillisms, which betray possibly suspect attitudes, and that were not included in the list that I quoted.

That reminds me - apparently JS had an incident in his childhood where he hurt his head badly in a fall. There was also the pit accident. Perhaps someone else could find a link.

Fred West had a bad injury to the head and it is thought to be significant in some cases.

Yes, you're right he did call himself The Godfather and refer to women as 'brain damage', both of these evidenced in the Louis Theraux doc. He also said he was the 'eminence grise', working behind the scenes and in the shadows and getting things done.

[i4u]

Originally Posted by Sad_BB_Addict

Another victim comes forward
http://www.miltonkeynes.co.uk/news/l...vile-1-4697752

Badly written?

After breaking her 38-year silence to assist police, she is now furious that officials did not bring Savile to justice before he died.

These people who knew what he was up to need to be punished,” she said.

Maybe people didn’t want to face the truth. Now, with so many victims, I hope they are thinking ‘I could have stopped this’. I hope they are hanging their heads in shame.”

[IzzyS]

Originally Posted by Phoenix Lazarus

No-I just mentioned them as two other Savillisms, which betray possibly suspect attitudes, and that were not included in the list that I quoted.

Ok fair enough; just curious.

Originally Posted by Sad_BB_Addict

Another victim comes forward
http://www.miltonkeynes.co.uk/news/l...vile-1-4697752

Sounds a curious project to be involved in perhaps? people have questioned whether he was gay, though the majority of the allegations were made by females.

[Linda_Danvers]

Originally Posted by jamtamara

That reminds me - apparently JS had an incident in his childhood where he hurt his head badly in a fall. There was also the pit accident. Perhaps someone else could find a link.

Fred West had a bad injury to the head and it is thought to be significant in some cases.

IIRC, another serial-killer, David Berkowitz (Son of Sam), also had a head injury when they let him drop as a small child. And, if I'm not mistaken, another one, Kenneth Bianchi, suffered a head injury as a baby.

Here it is a good link about the subject: http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/s...s/tick/9b.html

I read that sociopathy may be linked to head injuries or brain damage. According to his father, the behaviour of Philip Garrido, the child abuser who kidnapped Jaycee Duggard, radically changed after an accident where his head was seriously injured, and began abusing children

[BeethovensPiano]

Brain tumours have been known to do this too.

[Eurostar]

Originally Posted by jamtamara

That reminds me - apparently JS had an incident in his childhood where he hurt his head badly in a fall. There was also the pit accident. Perhaps someone else could find a link.

Fred West had a bad injury to the head and it is thought to be significant in some cases.

Yes, you're right he did call himself The Godfather and refer to women as 'brain damage', both of these evidenced in the Louis Theraux doc. He also said he was the 'eminence grise', working behind the scenes and in the shadows and getting things done.

One of Savile's sisters referred to this on This Is Your Life and said the incident was extremely serious and that he had been unconscious for weeks or something.

Maybe this is more significant than we imagine as he certainly became a cold, calculating sociopath as an adult.

[Phoenix Lazarus]

Originally Posted by Eurostar

One of Savile's sisters referred to this on This Is Your Life and said the incident was extremely serious and that he had been unconscious for weeks or something.

I have to say I've never heard of Savile having a serious head-injury as a child-and I always thought of myself as something as a repository of Savile-trivia. Everyone knows of his pit accident, of course, and there is also an incident he often mentions where he supposedly recovered to life, on his deathbed, at about a year old, due to prayers of intercession, which is often mentioned. Savile called for the women who did the prayers to be beatified en route to canonisation, I believe.