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Old 18-01-2013, 22:20
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One of Savile's sisters referred to this on This Is Your Life and said the incident was extremely serious and that he had been unconscious for weeks or something.

Maybe this is more significant than we imagine as he certainly became a cold, calculating sociopath as an adult.
Is this the same time as when the doctor issued a death certificate? I heard that was pneumonia, the same condition he died of in the end.

Its interesting how such traumas may alter a person in such a way - I can only guess to do with certain parts of the brain, emotions must be controlled by a certain area which is interrupted/loses blood flow there during the head trauma? something like that. I've read some strange things such as people waking up from comas or after transplants with a completely different dialect or being able to speak other languages, though thats pretty rare. It makes me wonder what we're capable of that for whatever reason, we don't 'tap into', both good and bad I suppose. Could we all potentially be able to speak other languages and change our thoughts and emotions, if we knew how to tap into the right areas of ourselves? ok thats probably sci-fi mumbo jumbo but its interesting none the less...
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Old 18-01-2013, 22:34
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I've read some strange things such as people waking up from comas or after transplants with a completely different dialect or being able to speak other languages, though thats pretty rare.
Foreign accent syndrome. It's caused by partial paralysis of the vocal chords. It only sounds like a foreign accent to people who don't know what that particular accent really sounds like - someone who sounds Spanish after an accident really doesn't sound Spanish to someone from Spain.

My dad had this, after a very serious accident (although I was too young to really remember it in any detail. He got a little better after a year, but right up to his death people sometimes thought he sounded vaguely Irish...
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Is this the same time as when the doctor issued a death certificate? I heard that was pneumonia, the same condition he died of in the end.

Its interesting how such traumas may alter a person in such a way - I can only guess to do with certain parts of the brain, emotions must be controlled by a certain area which is interrupted/loses blood flow there during the head trauma? something like that. I've read some strange things such as people waking up from comas or after transplants with a completely different dialect or being able to speak other languages, though thats pretty rare. It makes me wonder what we're capable of that for whatever reason, we don't 'tap into', both good and bad I suppose. Could we all potentially be able to speak other languages and change our thoughts and emotions, if we knew how to tap into the right areas of ourselves? ok thats probably sci-fi mumbo jumbo but its interesting none the less...
She said this was very early in his childhood Izzy, possibly as a baby or toddler.

I'm not sure what the evidence says about brain trauma leading to deviant behaviour but it may well be a possibility. Certainly, Savile was a very strange person as an adult and claimed to have "no feelings".
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Old 18-01-2013, 22:57
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Foreign accent syndrome. It's caused by partial paralysis of the vocal chords. It only sounds like a foreign accent to people who don't know what that particular accent really sounds like - someone who sounds Spanish after an accident really doesn't sound Spanish to someone from Spain.

My dad had this, after a very serious accident (although I was too young to really remember it in any detail. He got a little better after a year, but right up to his death people sometimes thought he sounded vaguely Irish...
I suppose we naturally compare voices to the closest equivalent we've heard of, so if it sounds similar to another language then thats what we'd think it is.

I'm sorry to hear about your dad I notice sometimes my dialect changes slightly after watching either Scottish TV shows or American shows or movies, afterwards I'll use more Scottish/British or American slang but I suppose again thats sort of human nature to replicate what you hear, in the same way as they say its much quicker to properly learn another language by going to whichever country speaks it and immerse yourself in the culture, hear it being spoken first hand and take part in conversations, rather than read or hear dialogue in a more sterile classroom environment.

I wish I could change certain things about me but don't really want to go down the serious accident/brain injury route somehow(!) ETA - change things for the better, not anything negative of course! stop being so stubborn and hiding away a start but thats a whole other subject.

She said this was very early in his childhood Izzy, possibly as a baby or toddler.

I'm not sure what the evidence says about brain trauma leading to deviant behaviour but it may well be a possibility. Certainly, Savile was a very strange person as an adult and claimed to have "no feelings".
I don't think its mentioned in the biography, which is a surprise as you'd think something like that would be covered.

For some reason, I tend to think if your a sociopath then your maybe/probably born with a genetic disposition to that - I'd tend to think you were always likely to end up that way, if not like that from birth. I'm not entirely sure why, it seems like such a big difference to other people, to be missing the ability to really feel emotions towards others etc. - it feels a bit of a stretch somehow to be born 'normal' and then have that be changed almost at a flick of a switch. It does seem plausible, there's no doubt some scientific reasoning behind it but when I first read about sociopathy, it seemed very much like something the person is born with a predisposition to...
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Old 19-01-2013, 17:32
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Exaro set to publish further break tonight on alleged VIP paeodphile ring at Elm Guest House/Operation #Fernbridge (spun out of #Fairbank).
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Old 19-01-2013, 17:42
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Good grief, that David Icke forum thread is 2113 pages long.
I know! One day can seem like weeks on there.

Btw can anyone tell us what happened to the FM who started the JS thread(s) on there? Sadly, he died around Christmas time 2012 as far as I can gather.
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Old 19-01-2013, 18:52
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More than 100 British sex offenders have volunteered for chemical castration. But do the drugs make them harmless? http://t.co/fi6wzNf4
https://twitter.com/guardian/statuse...87375585009665

Piano teacher Philip Cunningham(40) who groomed a young pupil by exchanging explicit phone photographs is jailed http://t.co/zW3rJjIQ
https://twitter.com/mwilliamsthomas/...85731862433792

That article taught me a new word - peripatetic. Sounds like a label you could apply to JS too, being 'a person who walks or travels about.' (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/peripatetic), 'Traveling from place to place, esp. working or based in various places for relatively short periods.' (https://www.google.co.uk/#hl=en&suge...w=1366&bih=567)

she must have felt pretty lonely to have sent him so many messages back - 4,000 compared to his 2,000 I know what its like to want to chase after compliments and attention. Nasty guy
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Old 19-01-2013, 19:54
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Police raid home of former co-manager of Elm Guest House, Haroon Kasir (aka Harry), in Operation #Fernbridge. http://www.exaronews.com/articles/48...f-police-probe
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http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showt...=#post61615201

And his details on Wiki have changed. Luckily I took a screen cap of the old page...
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Old 19-01-2013, 20:33
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Police raid home of former co-manager of Elm Guest House, Haroon Kasir (aka Harry), in Operation #Fernbridge. http://www.exaronews.com/articles/48...f-police-probe
I do hope we will be informed, by other sources, of raids connected to Operation Fernbridge, as it would seem that is the only way we might know.

It reminds me of the Leveson Inquiry,where Alec Owen, who was the lead investigator of Operation Motorman, detailed how he was prevented from making further inquiries, when he had so much evidence of corruption.

Furthermore, during this time, he had his home raided by the police. Fortunately, copies of the Motorman files were with others including Lord Leveson. He phoned LL to tell him what had happened. Why did they raid a retired policeman's home and take him to a police station?

The Motorman files were never released but Paul Staines (Guido Fawkes) released the 'Blue Book' section from the files.

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Old 19-01-2013, 20:49
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If Savile were alive, i suppose he would be delighted

This is a mess, needs to be resolved soon

The corruption of a generation: In a major Mail series, a renowned psychologist argues that our daughters are facing an unprecedented crisis... sexualisiation from primary school age

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/ar...ed-crisis.html
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Old 19-01-2013, 22:42
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It will be a big step forward when the Elm Guest House names are released.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...n-dawn-1546351
and I think it will happen soon.


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Sunday People is running a report on #Fernbridge. Almost entirely compiled from Exaro reports. It even lifts a Moss quote from Exaro.
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Old 20-01-2013, 00:15
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If Savile were alive, i suppose he would be delighted

This is a mess, needs to be resolved soon

The corruption of a generation: In a major Mail series, a renowned psychologist argues that our daughters are facing an unprecedented crisis... sexualisiation from primary school age

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/ar...ed-crisis.html
The Mail's one to talk; under a legal definition I consider them to host pornographic images.

It will be a big step forward when the Elm Guest House names are released.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...n-dawn-1546351

and I think it will happen soon..
I doubt the names will be released. I suspect that we'll only learn of them when the people involved are arrested.
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Old 20-01-2013, 09:05
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Wow - it's happened. Operation Fairbank becomes criminal inquiry. Elm Guest House etc - lots of famous names.
I have just seen this on another forum....I haven't heard anything on the news about this ..(perhaps I missed it) I would have thought it would have been headline news.
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Old 20-01-2013, 13:52
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Jimmy impersonation on a kids show BBC are in hot water for it.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-21108337
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Old 20-01-2013, 14:02
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Jimmy impersonation on a kids show BBC are in hot water for it.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-21108337
Trying desperately not to laugh.
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Old 20-01-2013, 15:05
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For God's sake, why are they apologising?
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Old 20-01-2013, 16:37
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I think the BBC are going to have problems with their TOTP reruns. I know Savile's appearances ended around 1980, but rumours surrounding John Peel will make it difficult for eighties repeats.
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Old 20-01-2013, 16:45
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I think the BBC are going to have problems with their TOTP reruns. I know Savile's appearances ended around 1980, but rumours surrounding John Peel will make it difficult for eighties repeats.
The 'rumours' around Peel were just the Mail getting its knickers in a twist about a long-term consensual relationship. Not necessarily to condone it but it is a long, long way from Savile was up to, and something which many, many rock stars and celebrities were up to in the period. It certainly hasn't stop the BBC broadcasting a shedload of Peel Session material in the last couple of months.
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Old 20-01-2013, 16:49
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The 'rumours' around Peel were just the Mail getting its knickers in a twist about a long-term consensual relationship. Not necessarily to condone it but it is a long, long way from Savile was up to, and something which many, many rock stars and celebrities were up to in the period. It certainly hasn't stop the BBC broadcasting a shedload of Peel Session material in the last couple of months.
are you saying there are different levels of pedophilia?

it doesn't matter of its 1 abused over a length or time, or numbers over shorter periods surely?
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Old 20-01-2013, 17:21
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The problem with Peel is he was seen as the serious side of Radio 1 and many in the music establishment see him as a god even if he is under a lot of suspicion.
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Old 20-01-2013, 17:26
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This has already been discussed at length here....

The difference between Savile & John Peel
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20732805

Also bear in mind that a willing Jane Nevin lied to JP about her age....
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Old 20-01-2013, 17:27
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The problem with Peel is he was seen as the serious side of Radio 1 and many in the music establishment see him as a god even if he is under a lot of suspicion.
He certainly appears to have had a lot of teenage groupies hanging around him in his R1 days, but it's unclear as to what age they actually were.
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Old 20-01-2013, 17:30
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This has already been discussed at length here....

The difference between Savile & John Peel
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20732805

Also bear in mind that a willing Jane Nevin lied to JP about her age....
Agree completely that that story doesn't make him a paedophile or pervert, though there would still be the question of whether there were other Jane Nevins in his life around that time.
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Old 20-01-2013, 17:32
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I haven't posted for a while, yet I have enormous respect for other posters on this thread, who, no matter how overwhelming or harrowing, continue to post intelligent and in depth insights, keeping abreast of latest developments and up to date links.

It's funny you read so much, but occasionally an article still has the power to take you completely off guard. It's encouraging in one respect, yet terribly sad that thanks to the enormous courage of others that have so far come forward, this poor soul has only just felt brave enough to speak out.

No words really.

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