[johartuk]

Originally Posted by IzzyS

So it was. Whats with the frilly sleeve/hand? peculiar...I also note the keyword 'adults only' although it also says 'one man only' (in relation to the shot?) - so again what event was this? perhaps we don't want to know. Maybe the keywords are purely in relation to the photo itself - that probably would creep out kids

At a guess, I'd say he was attending some kind of Masked Ball - possibly a charity event or some celeb party? The thick (wool?) coat he's wearing looks like an overcoat, so possibly he's just arrived at the event or is leaving.

[IzzyS]

Originally Posted by johartuk

At a guess, I'd say he was attending some kind of Masked Ball - possibly a charity event or some celeb party? The thick (wool?) coat he's wearing looks like an overcoat, so possibly he's just arrived at the event or is leaving.

Were they trendy at the time? I've heard of fancy dress parties but I've only ever heard of one actual masked ball, it doesn't sound like something there's many of - I imagine if it were a charity event, it'd be for mainly the upper classes?.

[Keyser Soze]

Originally Posted by IzzyS

Were they trendy at the time? I've heard of fancy dress parties but I've only ever heard of one actual masked ball, it doesn't sound like something there's many of - I imagine if it were a charity event, it'd be for mainly the upper classes?.

In Venice they are big on masks and once a year have the Carnival where people dress like that and wear those kind of masks.

But it's the kind of thing that you only hear of once in a while over here - posh people having masks as a theme for upmarket fancy dress parties.

There is something quite unnerving about those masks.. Much like clown make-up.

[Essex Angel*]

Originally Posted by IzzyS

Were they trendy at the time? I've heard of fancy dress parties but I've only ever heard of one actual masked ball, it doesn't sound like something there's many of - I imagine if it were a charity event, it'd be for mainly the upper classes?.

Quite a few charities hold Masquerade Balls, even the NSPCC


http://www.nspcc.org.uk/get-involved..._wde92719.html

[IzzyS]

Originally Posted by Keyser Soze

In Venice they are big on masks and once a year have the Carnival where people dress like that and wear those kind of masks.

But it's the kind of thing that you only hear of once in a while over here - posh people having masks as a theme for upmarket fancy dress parties.

There is something quite unnerving about those masks.. Much like clown make-up.

That makes me think of John Wayne Gacy...

Originally Posted by Essex Angel*

Quite a few charities hold Masquerade Balls, even the NSPCC


http://www.nspcc.org.uk/get-involved..._wde92719.html

Sounds like its quite the money spinner! I've been to a charity event which had a silent auction, the bids got to such a high level I was glad I'd accidentally left my debit card at the hotel so I couldn't bid lol I sometimes think people who go to such formal events (there was a dress code etc.) want to prove their status and show off by bidding as much as they can, no matter how much they think the item is actually worth. Fair enough if all the money (or most of it) goes to a charity that could really do with the money but if you really want to give so much to charity then whats wrong with making a donation? people don't get to see your arm fly up during an auction...lol [/vent] heh.

[Keyser Soze]

Originally Posted by IzzyS

That makes me think of John Wayne Gacy...

Me too.

I watched To Catch a Killer again a few weeks back. Scary film, made even more chilling because it's based on true events. Gacy is a good example of someone who seemed like a pillar of the community to many. Until they found the bodies.

[lexi22]

Originally Posted by IzzyS

That makes me think of John Wayne Gacy...

Sounds like its quite the money spinner! I've been to a charity event which had a silent auction, the bids got to such a high level I was glad I'd accidentally left my debit card at the hotel so I couldn't bid lol I sometimes think people who go to such formal events (there was a dress code etc.) want to prove their status and show off by bidding as much as they can, no matter how much they think the item is actually worth. Fair enough if all the money (or most of it) goes to a charity that could really do with the money but if you really want to give so much to charity then whats wrong with making a donation? people don't get to see your arm fly up during an auction...lol [/vent] heh.

Or maybe they just want to have fun and do come good at the same time?

[IzzyS]

Originally Posted by lexi22

Or maybe they just want to have fun and do come good at the same time?

Thats fine if you can afford it - I give what I can afford to charities but I've seen footage of some charity auctions and the amounts that are bid for small(ish) items just seems incredible - I can't help but wonder if their doing it to give back to charity, if they wouldn't have given anywhere near as much money directly to the charity as a donation, but when there's an auction they'll bid a fortune so everyone sees them hold their hand up, in a way to show off about how loaded they are... I have nothing against money going to charity in itself at all though. I've been feeling a bit angry this evening so maybe im being a bit unfair.

[Essex Angel*]

Originally Posted by IzzyS

Thats fine if you can afford it - I give what I can afford to charities but I've seen footage of some charity auctions and the amounts that are bid for small(ish) items just seems incredible - I can't help but wonder if their doing it to give back to charity, if they wouldn't have given anywhere near as much money directly to the charity as a donation, but when there's an auction they'll bid a fortune so everyone sees them hold their hand up, in a way to show off about how loaded they are... I have nothing against money going to charity in itself at all though. I've been feeling a bit angry this evening so maybe im being a bit unfair.

This Masquerade Ball raised nearly 70k for Childline.

http://www.nspcc.org.uk/get-involved..._wde76069.html

[lexi22]

Originally Posted by IzzyS

Thats fine if you can afford it - I give what I can afford to charities but I've seen footage of some charity auctions and the amounts that are bid for small(ish) items just seems incredible - I can't help but wonder if their doing it to give back to charity, if they wouldn't have given anywhere near as much money directly to the charity as a donation, but when there's an auction they'll bid a fortune so everyone sees them hold their hand up, in a way to show off about how loaded they are... I have nothing against money going to charity in itself at all though. I've been feeling a bit angry this evening so maybe im being a bit unfair.

Yes, I think you are. Why does the motivation matter and why does it need to be judged? It's all money in the charity bank and that's all that matters. Surely the simple act of bidding way over the odds for something in itself demonstrates good will towards the beneficiary? I've been at a number of charity-related ones and I can assure you the benefitting charities don't care what the motivation is as long as the auction brings the money rolling in. And if it gets competitive on the floor, and becomes a friendly bidding war, even better. I've also seen - a number of times - the winner of a bid item give the prize back to the charity so they can then re-sell it.

[IzzyS]

Originally Posted by lexi22

Yes, I think you are. Why does the motivation matter and why does it need to be judged? It's all money in the charity bank and that's all that matters. Surely the simple act of bidding way over the odds for something in itself demonstrates good will towards the beneficiary? I've been at a number of charity-related ones and I can assure you the benefitting charities don't care what the motivation is as long as the auction brings the money rolling in. And if it gets competitive on the floor, and becomes a friendly bidding war, even better. I've also seen - a number of times - the winner of a bid item give the prize back to the charity so they can then re-sell it.

What I was thinking of (its a bit off topic, apologies) was one of those BBC2 antiques shows where the experts who are contestants have to sell off items they buy and one of the tasks involves selling at charity related auctions near where they live, I think. I've watched a few such episodes with my parents who have the same opinion that its a bit unfair and biased because it all boils down, at the end of the day, to it being a case of showing face, that whichever expert has more rich contacts, knows people who are well off etc., they'll make more money from their items and win and its not really got much, if anything, to do with the items worth, its who knows who. When you watch the actual auctioning going on, the people who take part often seem quite smug and it can come across as if their doing it to show to everyone else that they can. We agreed that once the price reached past a certain level it was no longer about the item but obviously about giving to the charity (which is fair enough) - I think it was either my mum or dad who once posed the question of if such an auction never took place and a book or something similar was left out for people to write their details in and leave a monetary donation instead, would they give anywhere near so much, or do they visibly bid to show to everyone else in the room that they have money? if you care so passionately about a charity then to me the best thing you can do is give cash directly because more of the money goes straight to the charity, rather than part paying for events or items or anything else.

It does sound pretty harsh to say that though, I know. I'm all for giving donations, buying a few raffle tickets and so on... maybe part of it is I might feel embarrassed if I bid an awful lot on something and got some kind of publicity from it, I'd rather the charity got publicity, not me. I wouldn't like people to criticise me like oh she gave them so much money to make her look good... im not sure if that makes sense though(?).

I gave a couple of large donations, one over a couple of hundred pounds, in the lead up to Christmas and they offered to send thanks letters and correspondence but I opted out of it because I knew it'd cost them to send it and I'd rather save them the expense - I know I gave them the money and I have the email receipt, to me thats enough. To some people thats quite a large donation but to others it could be thought of as pocket money, it depends - to me it was a large amount though. Having said that, even when I can give decent donations, nowadays they try to persuade you to not give one off donations but to set up direct debits for regular donations, which I cant really afford as I try to support multiple charities when I can and then sometimes they send things in the post anyway but I try to opt out when I can, to save them the bother and cost.

ETA - Mind you, maybe they would donate as much if the 'book' was publically available and everyone could see the names and amounts, it'd be the same thing I suppose...what if names were somehow kept anonymous then? I don't know. As long as the charity does well out of it then I suppose thats all that matters but its a shame if some do really well mainly/purely because people with deep pockets are affiliated with it, rather than because the cause is particularly deserving :-/ maybe its twisted thinking? im not sure...

[i4u]

Was the number 54 important to Jimmy savile, his original personalised number plate was JS 954, is it a coincidence he rode a racing motorbike which had the number 54?

Here's Jimmy Savile with his two secretaries back in 1966.

[IzzyS]

Originally Posted by i4u

Was the number 54 important to Jimmy savile, his original personalised number plate was JS 954, is it a coincidence he rode a racing motorbike which had the number 54?

Here's Jimmy Savile with his two secretaries back in 1966.

I thought 954 was the frequency for Radio 1 in the 60s?. He bought the personalised numberplate and used it on most of his cars until quite recently I think...its mentioned in the authorised biography.

[i4u]

Originally Posted by IzzyS

I thought 954 was the frequency for Radio 1 in the 60s?. He bought the personalised numberplate and used it on most of his cars until quite recently I think...its mentioned in the authorised biography.

Radio 1 didn't begin til 1967 and was 247 on the medium wave.

He had JS 954 years before Radio 1 as this picture shows.

Was this Savile's first convertible in 1963.

In the sixties he worked for Radio Luxembourg, did they cover up for him?

From all the photos before he joined the BBC it would seem he was already known nationally via Radio Luxembourg & ITV.

He'd already adopted the big cigars in 1956.

[IzzyS]

Thats strange, the plate is definitely mentioned in the book - I remember when the story about the boy in the 1970s allegedly being assaulted in the back of the Rolls Royce was published in papers, they also mentioned the car had that 954 plate, saying it related to the Radio 1 frequency...I'll see if I can find the reference to the plate in the book later but I'm heading out right now.

Oh a couple of other things - I read elsewhere a mention of him being at sea during the pirate radio days but I thought people confirmed that pirate radio didn't actually happen literally out at sea? lol I'm not very knowledeable about that though... also I still wonder about how he had quite so much money particularly in the early days - how much would a (part time?) DJ have earnt - I also read that over the 20 years or so he was a presenter of TOTP, since they varied who presented the show he was only on some shows, apparently he did a total of 40 shows, so I wonder how much he could have earnt from that given he wasn't on it every week? yet he got the Roller quite early on in his career, where did some of that money come from? the dance hall days I suppose. It sounds like there was some shady moving of money going on in the 50s perhaps?...hmmm....

[i4u]

Could the mask ball been a New Years Eve party as the photo is dated 1 Jan 1960 at Radio Luxembourg?

From the perforated wall tiles the photo looks like it was taken in a radio studio, see what I mean?

[IzzyS]

Ok I've got a moment and I just checked - your right; it says

Roger Perkins, Jimmy's favourite salesman from car showroom JCT 600, which specialises in luxury cars, estimated that he had owned around 29 Rolls-Royces: 'Sir Jim loved cars and it was always a pleasure to see him. His personalised number plate 'JS 247' was a play on the old Radio 1 frequency.'

(from page 107).

I guess I got the numbers mixed up

[Keyser Soze]

Things have gone quiet on the arrest front. Must be due another one or two soon. Will there be more (in the 'others' strand, perhaps?).

Those already spoken to who were released on bail might be getting nervous after the Stuart Hall charges the other day.

[Phoenix Lazarus]

Originally Posted by IzzyS

Oh a couple of other things - I read elsewhere a mention of him being at sea during the pirate radio days but I thought people confirmed that pirate radio didn't actually happen literally out at sea?

Radio Caroline was broadcast by DJs actually on a ship, but Radio Luxembourg's programmes were recorded on the mainland, weren't they?

[jamtamara]

Originally Posted by lexi22

Yes, I think you are. Why does the motivation matter and why does it need to be judged? It's all money in the charity bank and that's all that matters. Surely the simple act of bidding way over the odds for something in itself demonstrates good will towards the beneficiary? I've been at a number of charity-related ones and I can assure you the benefitting charities don't care what the motivation is as long as the auction brings the money rolling in. And if it gets competitive on the floor, and becomes a friendly bidding war, even better. I've also seen - a number of times - the winner of a bid item give the prize back to the charity so they can then re-sell it.

Because some people have less than charitable motives? Because they are doing it for themselves? To give themselves power and prestige which they can hide behind? Jimmy S for example said he wasn't interested in charity, and we can see what his motivations were. But it's all money in the charity bank and that's all that matters.

I don't see anything wrong in someone questioning motives. On the contrary, it's a pity that it wasn't done before in certain cases.

ETA I have two relations both who donate similar amounts to charity. One always tell you about every penny and the other doesn't. Guess whose character I respect the most and whose motives I find questionable. It sets an example, or not, to others. It's a question of ethics! Similarly, many of us on here may give to charity, work for charity, fund-raise or whatever else.

[jamtamara]

Originally Posted by Phoenix Lazarus

Radio Caroline was broadcast by DJs actually on a ship, but Radio Luxembourg's programmes were recorded on the mainland, weren't they?

That's right. That's why Luxembourg faded in and out. Sound had to bounce off the mountains!

[jamtamara]

Originally Posted by i4u

Radio 1 didn't begin til 1967 and was 247 on the medium wave.

He had JS 954 years before Radio 1 as this picture shows.

Was this Savile's first convertible in 1963.

In the sixties he worked for Radio Luxembourg, did they cover up for him?

From all the photos before he joined the BBC it would seem he was already known nationally via Radio Luxembourg & ITV.

He'd already adopted the big cigars in 1956.

Has anyone made the correlation between big cigars and ahem. Freud said that 'sometimes' a cigar is just a cigar, but in the case of JS it could be power and Godfather glory along with obvious phallic symbol.

Weird how in that interview he peeled a banana and ate it. Presumably he wasn't allowed his cigar.

[lexi22]

Originally Posted by jamtamara

Because some people have less than charitable motives? Because they are doing it for themselves? To give themselves power and prestige which they can hide behind? Jimmy S for example said he wasn't interested in charity, and we can see what his motivations were. But it's all money in the charity bank and that's all that matters.

I don't see anything wrong in someone questioning motives. On the contrary, it's a pity that it wasn't done before in certain cases.

ETA I have two relations both who donate similar amounts to charity. One always tell you about every penny and the other doesn't. Guess whose character I respect the most and whose motives I find questionable. It sets an example, or not, to others. It's a question of ethics! Similarly, many of us on here may give to charity, work for charity, fund-raise or whatever else.

? Above has nothing to do with the post I responded to. If you're going to quote me, then at least do so in context. If you want to relate everything to Savile, fine, my response was to do with the benefit of auctions to charities, nothing to do with Savile. I hate gereralisations about people, regardless of their status, and found that poster's take on those who give at these events distasteful and quite petty.

[Saltydog1955]

Originally Posted by Phoenix Lazarus

Radio Caroline was broadcast by DJs actually on a ship, but Radio Luxembourg's programmes were recorded on the mainland, weren't they?

Radio Luxembourg wasn't a pirate station, but it was a forerunner of them. The programmes were recorded in London.

Most of the programmes before midnight were recorded in the Radio Luxembourg studio in London; at 38 Hertford Street, W1.

http://www.offringa.nl/radioluxembourg.htm

Interesting that convicted paedophile Chris Denning was there at the same time as Savile. Wonder what these two might have been cooking up between them?

[jamtamara]

Originally Posted by Keyser Soze

Things have gone quiet on the arrest front. Must be due another one or two soon. Will there be more (in the 'others' strand, perhaps?).

Those already spoken to who were released on bail might be getting nervous after the Stuart Hall charges the other day.

I'm sure i'm not the only one who wishes there were no announcements about imminent arrests. It sets people agog for names and gives time for people to set their affairs in order if there is anything to hide or defend - which would defeat the object.