[dorydaryl]

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Originally Posted by jerseyporter

BIB - forgive me for responding, as it is clear you have a strong drive to 'put things right', but I'm going to try and explain this form a slightly different aspect. It is quite a long explanation - apologies in advance, and I'm not even sure I'll make my point clearly enough, but I'm going to try!

etc.........................................................

That's an absolutely brilliant post. I wish more people would get it and hopefully you've helped them to. Thankyou JerseyPorter.

I thought it was a really considered and reflective post, too.

[inquirer64]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-21543152

Yet more sexual accusations, albeit towards female adults.

Common thread with JS is that prominent powerful people are protected, and not investigated, regardless of whether they might be innocent or guilty.

[occy]

Lord Pattern said Mark Thompson had more senior leaders than China.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2013...ina?CMP=twt_fd

[IzzyS]

BBC panel debate: Ben Bradshaw MP, former BBC journalist and culture sec. says BBC culture 'has to change' http://bit.ly/X1K9AT #c4news

https://twitter.com/Channel4News/sta...61530297319424

[Sad_BB_Addict]

Piers Morgan is interviewing Esther Rantzen on ITV at the moment. Don't know if he's going to ask her about Savile.

[Sad_BB_Addict]

Sky's Nial Paterson criticises the way the Beeb released the documents
http://news.sky.com/story/1055748/de...pollard-review

[Sad_BB_Addict]

searchable PDF versions of the Pollard files:

http://order-order.com/2013/02/22/bb...ollard-review/

[wakey]

Originally Posted by jamtamara

In the interview linked in Saltydog's quote above above he said the same thing and somehow it was never questioned. There are about three remarks which indicate his predilection esp. the one about being discovered in the early hours of the morning with 5 girls in his caravan by the parents of one of them.

It's also of interest to me that he also said he had no favourite singer then to another question no favourite group. Doesn't indicate much interest in the pop scene really, does it?

Why would it be necessarily questioned though? Its not like the term 'Girls' or even 'Young Girls' is one that means underage or is used exclusively to mean underage. While it may be creepy its hardly illegal to have sex with someone say between the ages of 16-21 who will often be referred to as one of those two terms rather than young women.

Its just easy to assume its sinister now due to whats come to light but without that any comments from Saville himself or rumours using such terms could be viewed as not being a concern

And lets be honest people from a certain generation and before refer to every women younger than them as "Young Girl" or "Young lady" and I'm sure we have all seen examples where women in their 30's or 40's are addressed by retirement age men in such terms so its likely it seemed a less unusual choice of phrase than it might today to those under 25.

[Sad_BB_Addict]

The Morgan programme is doing about when they first reported child abuse on Esthers's show and the setting up of Childline, so it should be on ITV+1 10.35pm.

[Sad_BB_Addict]

Independent
'Incapable of getting truth': BBC report reveals chaos in handling Jimmy Savile allegations crisis
Entwistle’s rationale for inaction on reports of abuse laid bare by Pollard transcripts as Key players at the BBC reveal chaos and paralysis in decision-making process
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/me...s-8506832.html

Also video interview with Steve Hewlett

Guardian
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2013...ile-crisis-bbc

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BBC Newsnight‏ @BBCNewsnight
Tonight: UK loses AAA credit rating, Hughes & Tatchell face off 30 years after Bermondsey byelection, and Bradford footy dreams.

No mention of Pollard?

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Piers Morgan's Life Stories with Esther Rantzen
https://www.itv.com/itvplayer/piers-...esther-rantzen

First reporting of child abuse on her programme, and founding Childline, from 27mins in.

[Black Velvet]

Originally Posted by dorydaryl

Not chipped in on the thread for a while but that, for me, is the 'elephant in the room' and summarizes the culture of the BBC 'back in the day' up until relatively recently. It's the whole 'hiding in plain sight' thingy all over again. People just didn't want to see.

When I was young back in the seventies I was a big David Bowie fan and read everything there was to know about him etc. He had loads and loads of girls throwing themselves at him. But recently I was reading about groupies of the time and one girl's name was mentioned that always seemed to be hanging around Bowie with her other groupie friend and that was American Sable Star. The article gave her age at the time as 13 and so was her friend and thinking back I remember reading at the time she was 13 and I just took it as part and parcel and never seemed to think it was out of the ordinary.
Back then anything seemed to go.

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Tory MP warned of powerful paedophile ring 30 years ago
New evidence supports claim former backbencher’s life was threatened
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...o-8507780.html

"For four years between 1981 and 1985, Dickens railed in Parliament against a paedophile ring which he claimed was connected to a trade in child pornography, then controlled by gangsters."

[mikw]

Originally Posted by Black Velvet

When I was young back in the seventies I was a big David Bowie fan and read everything there was to know about him etc. He had loads and loads of girls throwing themselves at him. But recently I was reading about groupies of the time and one girl's name was mentioned that always seemed to be hanging around Bowie with her other groupie friend and that was American Sable Star. The article gave her age at the time as 13 and so was her friend and thinking back I remember reading at the time she was 13 and I just took it as part and parcel and never seemed to think it was out of the ordinary.
Back then anything seemed to go.

Yeah, it was by no means unique to the BBC.

We've all heard stories of very famous rockstars who refused to go on stage until someone had found them a young groupie.

Happened all the time across society - thankfully it happens a lot less now.

[Sad_BB_Addict]

Originally Posted by Black Velvet

When I was young back in the seventies I was a big David Bowie fan and read everything there was to know about him etc. He had loads and loads of girls throwing themselves at him. But recently I was reading about groupies of the time and one girl's name was mentioned that always seemed to be hanging around Bowie with her other groupie friend and that was American Sable Star. The article gave her age at the time as 13 and so was her friend and thinking back I remember reading at the time she was 13 and I just took it as part and parcel and never seemed to think it was out of the ordinary.
Back then anything seemed to go.

Sable Starr's wiki
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sable_Starr

[Jo March]

Originally Posted by Sad_BB_Addict

BBC Newsnight‏ @BBCNewsnight
Tonight: UK loses AAA credit rating, Hughes & Tatchell face off 30 years after Bermondsey byelection, and Bradford footy dreams.

No mention of Pollard?

Yes,conspicous by its absence.

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C4 News report on the Pollard documents
http://www.channel4.com/news/pollard...ble-is-the-bbc

[Black Velvet]

Originally Posted by Sad_BB_Addict

Sable Starr's wiki
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sable_Starr

Thanks SBBA. I should have checked Sable out on Wiki before. Did not know she had died. And fairly young.

[Linda_Danvers]

Originally Posted by Black Velvet

When I was young back in the seventies I was a big David Bowie fan and read everything there was to know about him etc. He had loads and loads of girls throwing themselves at him. But recently I was reading about groupies of the time and one girl's name was mentioned that always seemed to be hanging around Bowie with her other groupie friend and that was American Sable Star. The article gave her age at the time as 13 and so was her friend and thinking back I remember reading at the time she was 13 and I just took it as part and parcel and never seemed to think it was out of the ordinary.
Back then anything seemed to go.

These were the "Baby Groupies" from early 70's, an unique thing from LA. These groupies, Sable and Lori Maddox were part of that group, but these groupies were NOT the rule. They were a "thing" that lasted about two or three Summers. Of course, there were the one or two odd groupies of early teens later, but there weren't many. People talk as if they were usual, but they were not. Most groupies from then were in the late teens to early twenties. I've read about these "baby groupies", and what I could tell is having sex with a 13 or 14 year old was not "accepted " back then.

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Publication of the Pollard documents, as it happened
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2013...al-transcripts

People found absurdities to tweet eg

Peter Horrocks begins sentence for #Pollard: "It is not any secret that..." [Rest of sentence redacted].

Another corking #Pollard redaction from Horrocks evidence: "I think this is something that is not confidential. [sentence redacted]

[Black Velvet]

Originally Posted by Linda_Danvers

These were the "Baby Groupies" from early 70's, an unique thing from LA. These groupies, Sable and Lori Maddox were part of that group, but these groupies were NOT the rule. They were a "thing" that lasted about two or three Summers. Of course, there were the one or two odd groupies of early teens later, but there weren't many. People talk as if they were usual, but they were not. Most groupies from then were in the late teens to early twenties. I've read about these "baby groupies", and what I could tell is having sex with a 13 or 14 year old was not "accepted " back then.

Lori Maddox was the other girl I was trying to remember.

http://www.stryder.de/rest/Groupie_C...%20Maddox.html

It says in the article that when she met Jimmy Page they had to keep things quiet because Lori was underage and didn't want Page to be arrested.
But remembering the seventies they were promiscuous times we were living in. I'm not saying for everyone though.

[Sad_BB_Addict]

Bill Rogers finds interesting bits in the Pollard transcripts
http://tradingaswdr.blogspot.co.uk/

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Video of Telegraph Chief Reporter Gordon Raynor on Paxman, Newsnight etc
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/t...detonated.html


The Mail loves kicking the BBC, although this time with good reason
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/ar...hames-BBC.html

"The editor of Channel 4 News, which was denied a request to speak to Mr Davie on air, said it was only the fourth time he had been asked to accept an interview provided in advance by that person’s own organisation.
The other three were Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe, President Ahmedinejad of Iran and Charles Taylor of Liberia!"

[Linda_Danvers]

Originally Posted by Black Velvet

Lori Maddox was the other girl I was trying to remember.

http://www.stryder.de/rest/Groupie_C...%20Maddox.html

It says in the article that when she met Jimmy Page they had to keep things quiet because Lori was underage and didn't want Page to be arrested.
But remembering the seventies they were promiscuous times we were living in. I'm not saying for everyone though.

It says she lost her virginity to David and Angie Bowie at 13. From what I've read, this is not true, but old gossip. She met Bowie later than Jimmy Page, when she was already 14 and Angie was not with him. IIRC, she keeps changing her story whether she lost her virginity with Page or not . I think she did.