[MC_Satan]

Originally Posted by Sad_BB_Addict

Mark Williams-Thomas‏ @mwilliamsthomas
Op Yewtree #JimmySavile police report will be released tmrow at briefing (10am). I will be tweeting report highlights from the briefing

Oh happy days. Pompous tweets from Mr. Self important.

[escargot]

Yup Izzy, the Survey is totally anonymous. You can read about it on the Government website.

[IzzyS]

Originally Posted by escargot

Yup Izzy, the Survey is totally anonymous. You can read about it on the Government website.

Ok, thanks. I'm Scottish so wasn't aware of it (you mention its England and Wales, so presumably not Scotland).

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Independent: The Rape of Justice #tomorrowspaperstoday pic.twitter.com/iudvbiQl

https://twitter.com/hendopolis/statu...76622938169347

(pehaps not entirely on topic but quite shocking all the same)

[davidnumen]

Originally Posted by What name??

I don't think that matters as long as probation services and the police are also involved who will have more professional experience of offending behaviour and set guidelines.

The Circles just seem to be a community organisation to stop people getting isolated and offer support. I think people often slip into old habits (of any kind) when they are depressed or bored or lonely (smoking, substance abuse, overeating, relationship patterns ) so trying to support sex offenders through those periods makes sense. Who better to do that than do-gooders no matter how naive.

It all depends on how much power they yield. My experience is that childrens panels (the nearest equivalent I can think of) often ignore the advice of police. We hear so much bad stuff about social workers but I rather think that a lot of problems are caused by childrens panels.

[StrmChaserSteve]

Jimmy Savile 'Abused Dying Hospice Patients'
http://news.sky.com/story/1036443/ji...spice-patients

pure evil, simple as

[Keyser Soze]

Originally Posted by StrmChaserSteve

Jimmy Savile 'Abused Dying Hospice Patients'
http://news.sky.com/story/1036443/ji...spice-patients

pure evil, simple as

Beyond awful.


As he seemed to have no boundaries (or whatever it is in most of us that would deem such behaviour as 'wrong'), I wonder how much further he went. Murder?

[IzzyS]

(sorry I hadn't double checked and realised the article had already been posted above)

Originally Posted by StrmChaserSteve

Jimmy Savile 'Abused Dying Hospice Patients'
http://news.sky.com/story/1036443/ji...spice-patients

pure evil, simple as

Noteworthy quotes - (perhaps?)

...Prosecutors are also expected to offer an explanation over why Savile was never charged after some complaints were investigated during his life...

... Peter Saunders, of the National Association for People Abused in Childhood, said: "Savile is one of the worst offenders in history.

"I'd put him alongside killers such ad Fred West, Harold Shipman and the Moors Murderers, because he killed his victims' spirit and soul.

"Everywhere he went was an opportunity to commit his vile crimes against the most vulnerable victims in the most inappropriate places, hospitals, hospices, schools and children's homes."

... Broadmoor patient Steven George said: "For those who had gone while he was still living to the police they must be absolutely furious and there were I understand quite a few, I experienced the same almost cynical laughter when I tried to report him when he was alive and I hated that.

"But I would keep on reporting and I think victims need to come forward."...

[Sad_BB_Addict]

Grauniad take on the rape statistics
http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datab...istics-graphic

[Sad_BB_Addict]

A few leaks from tomorrow's Yewtree report

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2013...uiry-published

[IzzyS]

Originally Posted by Keyser Soze

Beyond awful.


As he seemed to have no boundaries (or whatever it is in most of us that would deem such behaviour as 'wrong'), I wonder how much further he went. Murder?

Apparently the Yorkshire Ripper thinks he's innocent (just ask The Sun)

[skp20040]

Originally Posted by Sad_BB_Addict

Mark Williams-Thomas‏ @mwilliamsthomas
Op Yewtree #JimmySavile police report will be released tmrow at briefing (10am). I will be tweeting report highlights from the briefing

In between polishing his halo and looking for his next cause celebre no doubt.

[skp20040]

Originally Posted by StrmChaserSteve

Jimmy Savile 'Abused Dying Hospice Patients'
http://news.sky.com/story/1036443/ji...spice-patients

pure evil, simple as

Yes that would be, mind you any absue is evil . I do wonder how they know he abused hospice patients ? did staff relatives of the deceased speak out in this investigation ?

[sozzled2day]

Klaus Kinski, the actor (and Nastassja Kinski's father) apparently raped and abused one of his daughter's, Pola - from the age of 5 until she was 19.

"Twenty years after his death the self-taught actor who became something of a German legend, is unable to answer the claims.
But his daughter said that having spent years living in fear that no one would believe her she had finally decided to break her silence".

This is the same kind of thing JS's victims also said, that they were afraid no one would believe them. When someone is that famous and revered, it's almost always going to be difficult for anyone to suddenly portray them as a pervert.

Out of interest, Kinski allegedly abused Pola over a 14-year period. Does that make him a paedophile initially, but something else as the daughter got older? JS seemed to have little interest in anyone over about the age of 15. If paedophilia is a sexual attraction to children, what's the term (apart from depraved) that describes someone like Kinski who continued the abuse until Pola was 19 and no longer a child?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013...laims-daughter

[Sad_BB_Addict]

Mark Williams-Thomas ‏@mwilliamsthomas
Far too early & very cold outside . On my way to @itvdaybreak to discuss #Savile ahead of the police report being released later


Annoyingly it doesn't show on the Daybreak schedule when he's on, thought it may be updated later.
http://www.itv.com/daybreak/

[Sad_BB_Addict]

Daybreak are doing Yewtree now, but will probably repeat it later I guess.

[Sad_BB_Addict]

Sky News are doing Yewtree now, but will probably repeat it later I guess.

[occy]

The report will be released and now we will see the victims selling there story to the papers.

[Sad_BB_Addict]

I didn't realise the CPS report is coming out today too

"The Crown Prosecution Service will also publish a review of a decision in 2009 not to charge Savile with sexual offences after investigations by police in Surrey and Sussex."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20981611#

[Sad_BB_Addict]

German Bishops Cancel Study Into Sexual Abuse by Priests
http://eassurvey.wordpress.com/2013/...se-oppression/
(2nd item)

[Sad_BB_Addict]

Victims' lawyer on Sky News c. 7.10am.
Esther Rantzen on BBC Breakfast c. 8.10am.

[Sad_BB_Addict]

Sky News item starting now. Liz Dux, lawyer for some of the survivors.
She's saying some of the victims thought they were the only one; they were very young at the time.

[Dancing Girl]

The question that has to be answered if WHY Saville was allowed to wander wards in hospitals and children's homes alone? WHY. Even a children's hospice?? Where were the staff? If I was in hospital I would not want a total stranger to be wandering around the wards. It is so bizarre that Saville got apartments in these hospitals and keys!! It is appalling and yet nobody seems to be able to answer these questions. It seems it is (yet again) somebody else's fault!!! The buck is being passed. Where were the police??

[Dancing Girl]

Originally Posted by sozzled2day

Klaus Kinski, the actor (and Nastassja Kinski's father) apparently raped and abused one of his daughter's, Pola - from the age of 5 until she was 19.

"Twenty years after his death the self-taught actor who became something of a German legend, is unable to answer the claims.
But his daughter said that having spent years living in fear that no one would believe her she had finally decided to break her silence".

This is the same kind of thing JS's victims also said, that they were afraid no one would believe them. When someone is that famous and revered, it's almost always going to be difficult for anyone to suddenly portray them as a pervert.

Out of interest, Kinski allegedly abused Pola over a 14-year period. Does that make him a paedophile initially, but something else as the daughter got older? JS seemed to have little interest in anyone over about the age of 15. If paedophilia is a sexual attraction to children, what's the term (apart from depraved) that describes someone like Kinski who continued the abuse until Pola was 19 and no longer a child?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013...laims-daughter

ather

Yes, rather conveniently she has written a book and NOW decides to discuss the abuse she experienced at the hands of her famous father. He is dead of course so he cannot defend himself. I just find it sickening when people write books about abuse but never reported it to the police and wait until the parent/family friend/uncle or whatever are dead before speaking out. I cannot help but be very cynical about this. The book will now sell because of the claim of child abuse.

The Ulrika Johnson book is typical of the kind of behaviour I really dislike. She made claims about a date rape, never went to the police but asked us to believe she had to go ot hospital due to her injuries and never named the TV personality who raped her. She made a fortune from her book due to the media frenzy.

[stargazer61]

Originally Posted by Dancing Girl

The question that has to be answered if WHY Saville was allowed to wander wards in hospitals and children's homes alone? WHY. Even a children's hospice?? Where were the staff? If I was in hospital I would not want a total stranger to be wandering around the wards. It is so bizarre that Saville got apartments in these hospitals and keys!! It is appalling and yet nobody seems to be able to answer these questions. It seems it is (yet again) somebody else's fault!!! The buck is being passed. Where were the police??

Because it happens gradually. A big star, volunteers his time to help others, helps raise money and publicity, gradually gets the trust of the staff,etc, etc. He slowly becomes a 'fixture'...everyone smiles and says hello when they see him. A devious personality becomes trusted over time. The person helps out with the mundane tasks ', pushes trolleys, helps feed patients...........becomes trusted.

I was a volunteer (as a teenager) in a geriatric hospital in the 1970's and we helped out on all sorts of things including having up to 30 patients in our sole care as we showed films or took them out for a drink in a nearby pub. It was a different world. People were not viewed with suspicion in the way they are today ,,.....and overly so IMO.

Plus you must take on board that security on such premises was very different 40 years ago and there was almost no such thing as a 'background check'. Very few security passes existed. May have just been a porter on the front door who knew everyone. Most security came about as a result of increased terrorist threats, increasing theft, and violent and abusive behaviour from casual visitors. Hospitals were open to all ....which they still are. It really was a different time

[jack patterson]

Originally Posted by skp20040

I do wonder how they know he abused hospice patients ? did staff relatives of the deceased speak out in this investigation ?

Perhaps MWT went to a seance and got told while he was having his halo polished?