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Old 17-03-2013, 08:26
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Old 17-03-2013, 10:17
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The links others don't want you to read....

Anna Racoon gets her man, Brian Howes...
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it was also revealed that Howes had been accused of child sex offences when he lived in Arkansas, in 1986, and a further accusation had been made against him when he was living in Middlesbrough.
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Old 17-03-2013, 13:56
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I am wavering about it. I've been at Anna's blog and even made a few comments on a thread. It was a very interesting and enlightening discussion. I said disagree with the "witch hunt" or "hysteria" perspective (I still do). IMO, Anna did a great job on the Duncroft accusations, exposing Bebe Roberts and showing things may not have been what appear to be.

Reading the comments at Anna's blgos was also enlightening. I particularly agree the wide variety of Savile's "tastes"and how he apparently went for girls, boys, women, men, dead people, don't ring true. I've already mentioned I don't believe he was a necrophiliac. In my opinion it was just a rumour and never, not once, a person has came forward saying he/she witnessed Savile doing the deed with a dead person. I am also annoyed how people use his relationship with his mother and an anedocted already proven to be untrue (he spent five days together with her corpse) as "evidence" he was a necrophiliac and a child abuser.

The only thing I am certain now is that Savile liked "young girls"and did not exactly cared too much if they were underage or not. Now I am not sure Savile is the monster the press painted him. I must say I found all the testimonies of men Savile "apparently" abused when they were boys dubious at best. And some of the womens' stories weren't much better, like the last one of that women who won't pay for the BBC fees becuase Savile and others abused her.


However, some accusations appears to me to be true. And every time I wave towards "Savile was not as bad as he seemed to be" I remember them. Unfortunately they are the worse of the lot. Like June's Thornton complete story. The story first appear at the Yorkshire Press, but the gutter press, and even the "serious" press, only printed the salacious detais.

http://www.yorkpress.co.uk/news/9968...st____patient/

Then I read some comments at Scarborough News that corraborate's June's testimony about his MO.

http://www.thescarboroughnews.co.uk/...pped-1-5076892

Of course, she could be lying. But what happened apparently to have haunted her late father and she is still disturbed by it. It seems, by her comments, she already talked to the police.

Also, this one (which already appeared here). It is at the botton and fits with a lot his MO's:

http://www.motforum.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=25096

I also believe the non-Duncroft girls he groomed, who appeared at the first Exposure and the girl he abused who showed at the beginning of the second. Also, the story of the young girl (the Elvis fan) he raped at a hotel room rings true to me.

The "Giving Victims a Voice" report was VERY disappointing because they didn't show one shred of evidence, not one. I'm not talking about "material" evidence, but corraborating stories exemples of his MO, and so on. They just took everything as true and apparently did not investigate. What's the point of this report anyway? To show the extending claws of Jimmy the Perv? They didn't need to tell the stories with details, only enough to show some corraboration, not those samples that don't mean anything.

Savile's may very well be the "monster" the press shows him to be, but every groping story and unrealiable "victim" that appears in the press doesn't help the case at all
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Old 17-03-2013, 15:21
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I am wavering about it. I've been at Anna's blog and even made a few comments on a thread. It was a very interesting and enlightening discussion. I said disagree with the "witch hunt" or "hysteria" perspective (I still do). IMO, Anna did a great job on the Duncroft accusations, exposing Bebe Roberts and showing things may not have been what appear to be.

Reading the comments at Anna's blgos was also enlightening. I particularly agree the wide variety of Savile's "tastes"and how he apparently went for girls, boys, women, men, dead people, don't ring true. I've already mentioned I don't believe he was a necrophiliac. In my opinion it was just a rumour and never, not once, a person has came forward saying he/she witnessed Savile doing the deed with a dead person. I am also annoyed how people use his relationship with his mother and an anedocted already proven to be untrue (he spent five days together with her corpse) as "evidence" he was a necrophiliac and a child abuser.

The only thing I am certain now is that Savile liked "young girls"and did not exactly cared too much if they were underage or not. Now I am not sure Savile is the monster the press painted him. I must say I found all the testimonies of men Savile "apparently" abused when they were boys dubious at best. And some of the womens' stories weren't much better, like the last one of that women who won't pay for the BBC fees becuase Savile and others abused her.


However, some accusations appears to me to be true. And every time I wave towards "Savile was not as bad as he seemed to be" I remember them. Unfortunately they are the worse of the lot. Like June's Thornton complete story. The story first appear at the Yorkshire Press, but the gutter press, and even the "serious" press, only printed the salacious detais.

http://www.yorkpress.co.uk/news/9968...st____patient/

Then I read some comments at Scarborough News that corraborate's June's testimony about his MO.

http://www.thescarboroughnews.co.uk/...pped-1-5076892

Of course, she could be lying. But what happened apparently to have haunted her late father and she is still disturbed by it. It seems, by her comments, she already talked to the police.

Also, this one (which already appeared here). It is at the botton and fits with a lot his MO's:

http://www.motforum.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=25096

I also believe the non-Duncroft girls he groomed, who appeared at the first Exposure and the girl he abused who showed at the beginning of the second. Also, the story of the young girl (the Elvis fan) he raped at a hotel room rings true to me.

The "Giving Victims a Voice" report was VERY disappointing because they didn't show one shred of evidence, not one. I'm not talking about "material" evidence, but corraborating stories exemples of his MO, and so on. They just took everything as true and apparently did not investigate. What's the point of this report anyway? To show the extending claws of Jimmy the Perv? They didn't need to tell the stories with details, only enough to show some corraboration, not those samples that don't mean anything.

Savile's may very well be the "monster" the press shows him to be, but every groping story and unrealiable "victim" that appears in the press doesn't help the case at all
I agree with everything you have said here Linda. I think the same as you.
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Old 17-03-2013, 15:52
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I am wavering about it. I've been at Anna's blog and even made a few comments on a thread. It was a very interesting and enlightening discussion. I said disagree with the "witch hunt" or "hysteria" perspective (I still do). IMO, Anna did a great job on the Duncroft accusations, exposing Bebe Roberts and showing things may not have been what appear to be.

Reading the comments at Anna's blgos was also enlightening. I particularly agree the wide variety of Savile's "tastes"and how he apparently went for girls, boys, women, men, dead people, don't ring true. I've already mentioned I don't believe he was a necrophiliac. In my opinion it was just a rumour and never, not once, a person has came forward saying he/she witnessed Savile doing the deed with a dead person. I am also annoyed how people use his relationship with his mother and an anedocted already proven to be untrue (he spent five days together with her corpse) as "evidence" he was a necrophiliac and a child abuser.

The only thing I am certain now is that Savile liked "young girls"and did not exactly cared too much if they were underage or not. Now I am not sure Savile is the monster the press painted him. I must say I found all the testimonies of men Savile "apparently" abused when they were boys dubious at best. And some of the womens' stories weren't much better, like the last one of that women who won't pay for the BBC fees becuase Savile and others abused her.


However, some accusations appears to me to be true. And every time I wave towards "Savile was not as bad as he seemed to be" I remember them. Unfortunately they are the worse of the lot. Like June's Thornton complete story. The story first appear at the Yorkshire Press, but the gutter press, and even the "serious" press, only printed the salacious detais.

http://www.yorkpress.co.uk/news/9968...st____patient/

Then I read some comments at Scarborough News that corraborate's June's testimony about his MO.

http://www.thescarboroughnews.co.uk/...pped-1-5076892

Of course, she could be lying. But what happened apparently to have haunted her late father and she is still disturbed by it. It seems, by her comments, she already talked to the police.

Also, this one (which already appeared here). It is at the botton and fits with a lot his MO's:

http://www.motforum.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=25096

I also believe the non-Duncroft girls he groomed, who appeared at the first Exposure and the girl he abused who showed at the beginning of the second. Also, the story of the young girl (the Elvis fan) he raped at a hotel room rings true to me.

The "Giving Victims a Voice" report was VERY disappointing because they didn't show one shred of evidence, not one. I'm not talking about "material" evidence, but corraborating stories exemples of his MO, and so on. They just took everything as true and apparently did not investigate. What's the point of this report anyway? To show the extending claws of Jimmy the Perv? They didn't need to tell the stories with details, only enough to show some corraboration, not those samples that don't mean anything.

Savile's may very well be the "monster" the press shows him to be, but every groping story and unrealiable "victim" that appears in the press doesn't help the case at all
Well put..
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Old 17-03-2013, 18:47
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I am wavering about it. I've been at Anna's blog and even made a few comments on a thread. It was a very interesting and enlightening discussion. I said disagree with the "witch hunt" or "hysteria" perspective (I still do). IMO, Anna did a great job on the Duncroft accusations, exposing Bebe Roberts and showing things may not have been what appear to be.

Reading the comments at Anna's blgos was also enlightening. I particularly agree the wide variety of Savile's "tastes"and how he apparently went for girls, boys, women, men, dead people, don't ring true. I've already mentioned I don't believe he was a necrophiliac. In my opinion it was just a rumour and never, not once, a person has came forward saying he/she witnessed Savile doing the deed with a dead person. I am also annoyed how people use his relationship with his mother and an anedocted already proven to be untrue (he spent five days together with her corpse) as "evidence" he was a necrophiliac and a child abuser.

The only thing I am certain now is that Savile liked "young girls"and did not exactly cared too much if they were underage or not. Now I am not sure Savile is the monster the press painted him. I must say I found all the testimonies of men Savile "apparently" abused when they were boys dubious at best. And some of the womens' stories weren't much better, like the last one of that women who won't pay for the BBC fees becuase Savile and others abused her.


However, some accusations appears to me to be true. And every time I wave towards "Savile was not as bad as he seemed to be" I remember them. Unfortunately they are the worse of the lot. Like June's Thornton complete story. The story first appear at the Yorkshire Press, but the gutter press, and even the "serious" press, only printed the salacious detais.

http://www.yorkpress.co.uk/news/9968...st____patient/

Then I read some comments at Scarborough News that corraborate's June's testimony about his MO.

http://www.thescarboroughnews.co.uk/...pped-1-5076892

Of course, she could be lying. But what happened apparently to have haunted her late father and she is still disturbed by it. It seems, by her comments, she already talked to the police.

Also, this one (which already appeared here). It is at the botton and fits with a lot his MO's:

http://www.motforum.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=25096

I also believe the non-Duncroft girls he groomed, who appeared at the first Exposure and the girl he abused who showed at the beginning of the second. Also, the story of the young girl (the Elvis fan) he raped at a hotel room rings true to me.

The "Giving Victims a Voice" report was VERY disappointing because they didn't show one shred of evidence, not one. I'm not talking about "material" evidence, but corraborating stories exemples of his MO, and so on. They just took everything as true and apparently did not investigate. What's the point of this report anyway? To show the extending claws of Jimmy the Perv? They didn't need to tell the stories with details, only enough to show some corraboration, not those samples that don't mean anything.

Savile's may very well be the "monster" the press shows him to be, but every groping story and unrealiable "victim" that appears in the press doesn't help the case at all
I think its almost inevitable that there will be inaccuracies or overly exaggerated claims out there, partly/mainly due to the fact that the scandal has been played out through the press so much. I'm not sure about the necrophilia aspect either - from what I've read and heard, it seems like he almost created those rumours himself from things he said but, like you say, nobody has claimed to witness anything to back it up. It was perhaps a smokescreen, if people wanted to look into him they may have looked into those rumours, which may have been a dead end and taken them off the scent of what was really going on, if you know what I mean?. Perhaps anyway, its just a theory but all we have now are guesses and theories anyway.

The more I've heard, the more I question if the abuse wasn't more to do with power play than sexuality as such - he liked the ability to control other people, do what he did with the knowledge that to other people it was morally wrong but he could get away with it because of his status and this eccentric happy-go-lucky type character he'd created. It seems like he was quite an opportunistic person, he'd make small moves on people when filming TOTP and apparently carry out worse attacks on others when (obviously) away from the cameras, again knowing that he was presumably trusted. If thats what he really 'got off on' then its possible he wouldn't care a great deal about if the victim was pre or post pubescent or possibly their gender but im not sure about the male victims stories either - the only one I can really remember many details from seemed to keep changing said details and it didn't add up, that seemed suspicious. I think if he did have a sexual preference then it was for younger girls.

Probably the most disturbing aspect of it has been talk of assaults carried out at the various hospitals and even a hospice. That, to me, would indicate its the vulnerability of the victim that would have probably attracted him to carrying out the attacks but its all guesswork.

It wouldn't surprise me if, among the alleged victims, there are some liars and a proportion of whats been reported has been either overly exaggerated or it came from the mind of a fantasist but even so, I don't think that he's any victim of the press or anything like that. Given what evidence we do have in terms of footage, interviews and quotes, I think its fair to presume that he was quite predatory and probably did have a propensity to assault people opportunisticly (if thats a word?).

At the end of the day, whether he raped one, tens or hundreds of people, it shouldn't have been allowed to happen and he should have been brought to justice.

I also agree about the report, in that it didn't seem to contain much in the way of new information or corroborating evidence. It must be reassuring for those who contacted the police and reported incidents, that their being taken seriously and indeed I think thats what the main purpose of that report was, to acknowledge the allegations and put it in writing that they were being believed now, as a form of apology for the people who had been dissuaded from taking their cases further, incorrectly by the relevant police forces etc. but I think your right that it didn't really add much in terms of providing hard evidence of the alleged assaults themselves having taken place, or more details to prove a precise pattern of offending, which might help sceptics to change their mind. I'm not sure how they could prove conclusively that such things happened so long ago but perhaps there was more detail they could have provided? I don't know.

One of the latest reports, one from the BBC I think? had alot of redacted information, so that probably fuelled speculation that things are being hidden from public view, making people sceptical, which doesn't help either (ok im shutting up now, pardon the long post).
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Old 17-03-2013, 22:36
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Transcription of Cardinal Napier's interview with Stephen Nolan on Friday night
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Dunno if it's been mentioned here yet, but there's likely to be stuff in the papers about Doctor Who in the 1980's at the end of the month, as a result of this book. Not necessarily about paedophilia, though there are people on the Gallifrey Base website message board claiming a 15 year old had to forcibly escape from production manager Gary Downie at a convention in the 90's. (He's dead now so it's not libelous).
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Yes I saw Linda_Danvers trying to argue her point but it became very obvious to me that those posting were ex pupils from the Early 1960's at Duncroft. They were worried about the reputation of 'their' school, careful that other famous visitors were not implicated, all of whom had been invited by an ageing 91 yr old headmistress. I agree with many of the comments but if someone makes a report anonymous why did this blog feel it was correct to try and GUESS who was who, and they still got it wrong. I do not know much about a lot of the detail but a friend sent me the following link to cheer me up.
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Old 18-03-2013, 04:11
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I think its almost inevitable that there will be inaccuracies or overly exaggerated claims out there, partly/mainly due to the fact that the scandal has been played out through the press so much. I'm not sure about the necrophilia aspect either - from what I've read and heard, it seems like he almost created those rumours himself from things he said but, like you say, nobody has claimed to witness anything to back it up. It was perhaps a smokescreen, if people wanted to look into him they may have looked into those rumours, which may have been a dead end and taken them off the scent of what was really going on, if you know what I mean?. Perhaps anyway, its just a theory but all we have now are guesses and theories anyway.

The more I've heard, the more I question if the abuse wasn't more to do with power play than sexuality as such - he liked the ability to control other people, do what he did with the knowledge that to other people it was morally wrong but he could get away with it because of his status and this eccentric happy-go-lucky type character he'd created. It seems like he was quite an opportunistic person, he'd make small moves on people when filming TOTP and apparently carry out worse attacks on others when (obviously) away from the cameras, again knowing that he was presumably trusted. If thats what he really 'got off on' then its possible he wouldn't care a great deal about if the victim was pre or post pubescent or possibly their gender but im not sure about the male victims stories either - the only one I can really remember many details from seemed to keep changing said details and it didn't add up, that seemed suspicious. I think if he did have a sexual preference then it was for younger girls.

Probably the most disturbing aspect of it has been talk of assaults carried out at the various hospitals and even a hospice. That, to me, would indicate its the vulnerability of the victim that would have probably attracted him to carrying out the attacks but its all guesswork.

It wouldn't surprise me if, among the alleged victims, there are some liars and a proportion of whats been reported has been either overly exaggerated or it came from the mind of a fantasist but even so, I don't think that he's any victim of the press or anything like that. Given what evidence we do have in terms of footage, interviews and quotes, I think its fair to presume that he was quite predatory and probably did have a propensity to assault people opportunisticly (if thats a word?).

At the end of the day, whether he raped one, tens or hundreds of people, it shouldn't have been allowed to happen and he should have been brought to justice.

I also agree about the report, in that it didn't seem to contain much in the way of new information or corroborating evidence. It must be reassuring for those who contacted the police and reported incidents, that their being taken seriously and indeed I think thats what the main purpose of that report was, to acknowledge the allegations and put it in writing that they were being believed now, as a form of apology for the people who had been dissuaded from taking their cases further, incorrectly by the relevant police forces etc. but I think your right that it didn't really add much in terms of providing hard evidence of the alleged assaults themselves having taken place, or more details to prove a precise pattern of offending, which might help sceptics to change their mind. I'm not sure how they could prove conclusively that such things happened so long ago but perhaps there was more detail they could have provided? I don't know.

One of the latest reports, one from the BBC I think? had alot of redacted information, so that probably fuelled speculation that things are being hidden from public view, making people sceptical, which doesn't help either (ok im shutting up now, pardon the long post).
The "smokescreen" theory of the necrophilia rumours may be close to the truth. Other people had already put it foward. As you said, it seems JS himself fanned the flames of it. I mean, it is a ridiculous rumour, which may have been created to make all the other rumours seem ridiculous as well. Well, it is a theory.

I'm not 100% sure the image I painted in my mind of JS is the right one. Your profile of him could be spot on if he is guilty of all he is accused of. It is a good analysis. But the media got all the stories they could get, from unrealible and reliable victims and witnesses without bothering to check them. In the end we are left with a mess of exaggerated claims, possible lies, "Savile the groper"(why even print that?), and possibly real victims and witnesses in the mix. However most of the witnesses stories, people who knew him and worked with him, tells stories of (probably) willing teenage girls who may or may not be underage. These types of stories together with "Savile the groper" stories are the most common. The truth may lie on these stories. Savile was an opportunistic man, who obviously enjoyed sex with young girls. He may have been very well a predator (some stories do seem believable) and rapist, I do think he was, but I can't tell that with certainty.

If there are any male vicitms of Savile, I feel bad for them. The ones who talked to the media ( the Rolls Royce boy, the Cub Scout, the Paperboy, etc) seem opportunists to me, and I feel bad even of thinking that. But their stories could be easily challenged.

The problem with the report is it contains very little info on Savile's activities and evidence for the claims. It contains only numbers and locations. It seems they couldn't bother any longer. What is the point of it? That kind of report won't give any comfort for the vicitms. It should have contained evidence and explained why the police was so sure Savile is guilty of what he is accused of.

Saying this, I have no sympathy for the man. He is dead is not suffering any consequences of this scandal. If he is guilty he got away with it. If he is innocent he is not suffering anything. In the end he is dead.

Yes I saw Linda_Danvers trying to argue her point but it became very obvious to me that those posting were ex pupils from the Early 1960's at Duncroft. They were worried about the reputation of 'their' school, careful that other famous visitors were not implicated, all of whom had been invited by an ageing 91 yr old headmistress. I agree with many of the comments but if someone makes a report anonymous why did this blog feel it was correct to try and GUESS who was who, and they still got it wrong. I do not know much about a lot of the detail but a friend sent me the following link to cheer me up.
Why don't you show up in the next Savile thread and give your side of the story.? It'll be nice to hear. The problem with the 70's girls who appeared at those threads is that they are very defensive and don't join the discussions.
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The "smokescreen" theory of the necrophilia rumours may be close to the truth. Other people had already put it foward. As you said, it seems JS himself fanned the flames of it. I mean, it is a ridiculous rumour, which may have been created to make all the other rumours seem ridiculous as well. Well, it is a theory.

I'm not 100% sure the image I painted in my mind of JS is the right one. Your profile of him could be spot on if he is guilty of all he is accused of. It is a good analysis. But the media got all the stories they could get, from unrealible and reliable victims and witnesses without bothering to check them. In the end we are left with a mess of exaggerated claims, possible lies, "Savile the groper"(why even print that?), and possibly real victims and witnesses in the mix. However most of the witnesses stories, people who knew him and worked with him, tells stories of (probably) willing teenage girls who may or may not be underage. These types of stories together with "Savile the groper" stories are the most common. The truth may lie on these stories. Savile was an opportunistic man, who obviously enjoyed sex with young girls. He may have been very well a predator (some stories do seem believable) and rapist, I do think he was, but I can't tell that with certainty.

If there are any male vicitms of Savile, I feel bad for them. The ones who talked to the media ( the Rolls Royce boy, the Cub Scout, the Paperboy, etc) seem opportunists to me, and I feel bad even of thinking that. But their stories could be easily challenged.

The problem with the report is it contains very little info on Savile's activities and evidence for the claims. It contains only numbers and locations. It seems they couldn't bother any longer. What is the point of it? That kind of report won't give any comfort for the vicitms. It should have contained evidence and explained why the police was so sure Savile is guilty of what he is accused of.

Saying this, I have no sympathy for the man. He is dead is not suffering any consequences of this scandal. If he is guilty he got away with it. If he is innocent he is not suffering anything. In the end he is dead.



Why don't you show up in the next Savile thread and give your side of the story.? It'll be nice to hear. The problem with the 70's girls who appeared at those threads is that they are very defensive and don't join the discussions.
Ok so say the truth ultimately is that he rarely, if ever, went further than to commit fairly minor (or what the law may perceive as fairly minor) assaults, such as groping, with no rapes having taken place. If its the case that there's no 'real' proof to back up the claims of those who have come forward alleging the more grave offences, almost as if the police haven't questioned these claims and taken them as is - why would they be so quick to do that? what I mean is, their being implicated in the scandal, with particular police forces under heavy scrutiny for the role they may have played in apparently not chasing up reported allegations in the past etc. - surely they would prefer it if they could turn it the other way around and downplay it, putting forward that the truth appears to be only a smaller number of fairly minor offences really 'add up', as it were.

I wonder if their keeping information to themselves at the moment while Operation Yewtree is still ongoing, since I presume it is still an active investigation, working on the 'others' strand(s)?. There are still many reports and investigations going on, so there will be more findings to be published in the future - perhaps things will become more clear then? or maybe im very naive? I do think a totally independent inquiry would be a good thing, something we can have more trust in that there isn't any degree of trying to cover anything up (in this case it doesnt seem like that was happening since the police/CPS seem to hold their hands up and say that they got it wrong).

If the truth was somehow revealed down the line to be that an overwhelming majority of allegations had clearly been fabricated then I'd have sympathy for his family. I can't imagine how awkward it must be for them but then I suppose you start to wonder well didn't they know anything and why didn't they do something, yadda yadda. He came from a big family though... your definitely right that its a mess, I certainly agree with that. You can only really guess what went on based on what we have access to and it does certainly seem like some rather sinister things were hinted at but then is that a psychological reaction, that if your given hints that there may have been some very disturbing things going on then you almost automatically read way too far into passing comments? perhaps in some instances, maybe not every time?.

I can also understand the frustration that must be felt in response to the report if it makes genuine victims feel that it somehow gives the green light to other fantasists to think they can chip in about such historical events, be believed with perhaps minimal questioning and have the chance to claim monetary compensation fraudulently. If it is proven that there's been alot of that going on, thats going to cause things to turn the other way around and people will become suspicious of who could be genuine abuse victims.

Its the (alleged) hospital and hospice attacks that are most shocking and emotive to the public, I'd have thought. If he did carry out numerous attacks in such places then to me he was a bit of a monster its unpalatable, although thats not to say that any assault or inappropriate behaviour is alright. I read those links you posted earlier as well, ugh. I can't fathom making up stories like that, claiming you saw such attacks when you didn't, but I suppose in fairness, I can't know the mindset of every other person I suppose. I don't like to doubt others without good reason though but then there's the whole 'innocent until proven guilty' principle too, so, who knows! its all a bit of a mess... its a bizarre story/scandal, whatever term you want to use.
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Old 18-03-2013, 18:07
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I can't beleive you're still talking about this! Granted, it's still making the headlines here and there, but there are some people I've seen when I have a cursory glance at this thread who seem, in my view, dangerously obsessed with this discussion. What Jimmy allegedly did was disgusting, no doubt about that, but some people on here, in my view, take their interest levels in it to extremes! It was a fascinating case, though, but not in a good way.

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Old 18-03-2013, 18:48
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I'm sure I saw a post from Anna Racoon earlier. Does anyone else remember seeing it? Why did it disappear?
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Old 18-03-2013, 18:50
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I can't beleive you're still talking about this! Granted, it's still making the headlines here and there, but there are some people I've seen when I have a cursory glance at this thread who seem, in my view, dangerously obsessed with this discussion. What Jimmy allegedly did was disgusting, no doubt about that, but some people on here, in my view, take their interest levels in it to extremes! It was a fascinating case, though, but not in a good way.

But don't worry-as long as you stay away from the gold tracksuits and the cigars, you'll be alirght!
If you think this is unhealthy, you should have seen me at the time I was obsessed in reading about serial killers .
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Old 18-03-2013, 19:04
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I'm sure I saw a post from Anna Racoon earlier. Does anyone else remember seeing it? Why did it disappear?
I saw it. I don't know why it disappeared, I can only guess that an argument started (which I didn't see) after someone saw and replied to it and so mods had to delete all related posts.
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Old 18-03-2013, 19:10
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If you think this is unhealthy, you should have seen me at the time I was obsessed in reading about serial killers .
As long as your just reading and not following them around or writing love letters to them I think its fairly normal to have an interest in things like that at some point or another. I used to watch crime shows as a teenager, yet I'm not at all violent or anything like that. I just found it interesting to learn about the people involved, motives and so on. I can't really be bothered watching those shows nowadays, I can barely concentrate on TV these days :-/ unless I watch it on youtube

Sometimes I question some things about me and then I learn things about other people which put it in perspective. Someone recently suggested I write to people on death row - I don't think I'd like to do that somehow. Anyway that would have to be overseas presumably, we don't have a death row here(?!). I can, in a sense, understand why it was suggested (the person said that such people really appreciate the contact) but I think its maybe best not to. I'm not good at writing letters apart from anything else lol seriously.
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Old 18-03-2013, 20:09
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I'm surprised someone hasn't come forward to say Hughie Green abused them, as until Savile he was the most disliked dead television celebrity in the country.
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Old 18-03-2013, 21:12
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I saw it. I don't know why it disappeared, I can only guess that an argument started (which I didn't see) after someone saw and replied to it and so mods had to delete all related posts.
Thanks Izzy. I didn't see any related posts after it, but I saw the one from a Duncroft pupil which preceeded it and is still there. A 'puzzlement'.
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Old 18-03-2013, 21:59
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Thanks Izzy. I didn't see any related posts after it, but I saw the one from a Duncroft pupil which preceeded it and is still there. A 'puzzlement'.
Thats true. I didn't either, I was just guessing...
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Old 18-03-2013, 23:12
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Thanks Izzy. I didn't see any related posts after it, but I saw the one from a Duncroft pupil which preceeded it and is still there. A 'puzzlement'.
If you saw Anna Racoon's post did you not see the offensive post that prompted her reply, which she quoted in her post?

I guess Digital Spy would have deleted just the post which breeched the T&Cs but because Anna quoted it in her reply her message was also removed.
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Old 18-03-2013, 23:25
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Some interesting points in Anna's latest blog
http://www.annaraccoon.com/
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Old 18-03-2013, 23:28
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As long as your just reading and not following them around or writing love letters to them I think its fairly normal to have an interest in things like that at some point or another. I used to watch crime shows as a teenager, yet I'm not at all violent or anything like that. I just found it interesting to learn about the people involved, motives and so on. I can't really be bothered watching those shows nowadays, I can barely concentrate on TV these days :-/ unless I watch it on youtube

Sometimes I question some things about me and then I learn things about other people which put it in perspective. Someone recently suggested I write to people on death row - I don't think I'd like to do that somehow. Anyway that would have to be overseas presumably, we don't have a death row here(?!). I can, in a sense, understand why it was suggested (the person said that such people really appreciate the contact) but I think its maybe best not to. I'm not good at writing letters apart from anything else lol seriously.
Nah. It is just a topic that draws my attention. To wonder what makes a person act like that.
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Old 18-03-2013, 23:38
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If you think this is unhealthy, you should have seen me at the time I was obsessed in reading about serial killers .
Documentaries and dramas about serial killers nearly always get big audiences. Not to mention women writing to them in prison offering to marry them. It seems pretty "normal" to be interested in them.
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