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I've always assumed that sometimes there are gaps of several weeks between episodess as often they follow straight on from each other like a cliffhanger or it is referenced like it Tuesdays being on the Mondday from the previous weeks Friday. If they didn't have lengthy gaps at some stage they wouldn't make the 52 episodes last a year is you see what I mean,
One example I can think of was Sacha still being in Hospital habing been operated on for Sepcus at the end of 1 one week and back at work with no discernable physical symptons only 2 episodes later. Also, Jac's 2 months in San Francisco only took about 4 episodes. Finally, it is the only explanation for Chrissie's pregnancy with Daniel only taking 5 months on screen! |
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Yes that's what I mean about it not really being clear how long she'll have been away for, although I'm sure it'll be mentioned at some point during the episdoe when she returns.
Although realistically the possibility of anybody, even a cardiothoracic surgeon, getting funding from the NHS to go on a course in Japan for any length of time (let alone 4-6 weeks) is so remote as to be almost impossible (particularly in this economic climate). And even if it were the amount of paperwork that would need to be filled out would definitely prohibit someone leaving with only a few days notice. The San Fransico research trip was also a bit of a cop out because the ONLY time people in the NHS have pots of unspent money is towards the end of the financial year (end of Mar/beg of April) which is when we used to (but not so much anymore because there doesn't seem to be any unspent money at the mo) get emails reminding us to make sure we'd ordered all our stationery, paid for any equipment and applied for any courses we were planning to go on before the budget changed from year to year. (Something about how if you didn't spend all the money you'd been allotted you would lose the 'saved' money anyway, and have your budget cut for the next year - crazy really!!!) But then I suppose the finer points of NHS CPD funding wouldn't be particularly interesting viewing and presumably they had to write Jac out for a bit (to give Rosie a break, especially if we're right about the timing re.the trial etc) otherwise she'd have to have been heavily involved in these past few episodes to deal with the fallout from her confession to Jonny. |
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Also, remember thinking at the time that Daniel seemed to come along quite quickly but hadn't realised it was only 5 months of screen time
It must be really inconvenient for the script writers when people get pregnant, particularly in this case, when Chrissie had not long had that miscarriage storyline with Oli |
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Exactly. They could have said that Chrissie was much further along when it was announced but the miscarriage was Sept or Oct (have to check exactly) and Daniel was born April 13th. Realistically, he shouldn't have been conceived for 4 to 6 weeks after the miscarriage as you are advised to not have intercourse until after your first period but Chrissie being Chrissie probably just ignored that!
Of course the real reason is that Rina Hobley didn't tell them until after 12 weeks (fair enough - I woulndn't) and then they had limited time to write it in - the miscarriage having already been fillmed. By our theory, episode transmitted in May (San Fran) could be in March in the HC universe so maybe Jac was having the last piece of finance for the year thrown at her - there is a line in the episode where she says - you've got money you need to spend. I worked for Social Services in my first job and I know that if they hadn't used all their budget, the next years would be cut down. Japan harder to deal with but again we are closing on the end of the Financial Year and perhaps it is being funded partially by Pharmaceutcial or Equipment money? Connie was forever going off on research trips as well. |
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I think, to be honest, the only time we can know that HC is running at the same time line as us is Xmas or if a specific mention is made ot a current event like the Olympics last year.
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Exactly. They could have said that Chrissie was much further along when it was announced but the miscarriage was Sept or Oct (have to check exactly) and Daniel was born April 13th. Realistically, he shouldn't have been conceived for 4 to 6 weeks after the miscarriage as you are advised to not have intercourse until after your first period but Chrissie being Chrissie probably just ignored that!
Of course the real reason is that Rina Hobley didn't tell them until after 12 weeks (fair enough - I woulndn't) and then they had limited time to write it in - the miscarriage having already been fillmed. By our theory, episode transmitted in May (San Fran) could be in March in the HC universe so maybe Jac was having the last piece of finance for the year thrown at her - there is a line in the episode where she says - you've got money you need to spend. I worked for Social Services in my first job and I know that if they hadn't used all their budget, the next years would be cut down. Japan harder to deal with but again we are closing on the end of the Financial Year and perhaps it is being funded partially by Pharmaceutcial or Equipment money? Connie was forever going off on research trips as well. Agree with you on the time thing - they sometimes used to, because of Penny and Oli, make a thing about Valentine's Day too didn't they (but not this year). I suppose that also might explain Jac's ever-changing birthday.......I just always assume (wrongly I guess that they're always round about the same date as I am) Wonder if there'll be any mention of Chrissie and Sacha's first wedding anniversary (assuming they make it that far, although I suppose it could also be mentioned if they don;t??) Was also wondering what the potential Jonny/Mo friendship breakdown might mean for him and Jac?? Am actually (strangely) thinking that it might make it harder for them to get back together, because even though I know Mo doesn't really like Jac think she might be able to see, and would probably tell Jonny, how sorry Jac is and how much she is suffering because of it. I worry that without her steadiness and honesty (remembering how she told Jac how Jonny felt in that radiation man episode) that Jonny won't even be in the mood to look, let alone see, how sad (I'm sure) Jac will be |
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It would explain Jac's moving birthday and I think the only time we have been told the specific date was XY Factor (20th April) - I always just remember it as like you it is near mine (2nd April). Valentines Day did used to be mentioned a fair amount, yes.
I have a horrible feeling that our poor little Jac is going to be very isolated when she comes back as I suspect that Jonny is going out drowning his sorrows a lot - it's the only reason I can think of he'd be keeping on letting Mo down. |
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I hope that Jac comes back with renewed vigour after the Japan course, full of confidence in her surgical abilites and that Hannsen continues to back her up, especially in front of Elliot and Mo.
I think she and Jonny will circle around each other for a while whether she is pregnant or not. And Elliot never mentioned going to Joseph's wedding, after all the hoo ha over the invitation - talk about a contrived plot that went nowhere really and was not remotely needed! They did not need to invent Joseph getting married to have Jac do something "regrettable" - she was alway quite capable of doing that of her own accord!!! |
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The wedding might not have happened yet - I think the standard form is to send invites 3 months prior to the day which would mean April time but I agree that the liklihood is it will never be mentioned again.
It was contrived and I resent them ++++ing over Joseph's memory like that but Jac had got much better re self sabotage - I think it did need to be something pretty huge to make her foul up that badly. The only other thing would probably have been news about her mother. |
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I have this fantasy that JY was reading the forums and thinking "some people want Jac with Joseph STILL and some would have liked a romance with Sean and this is not where I want them to be I want them to be behind Jac-Jonny 100% so I know what I'll do - I'll get rid of the notions of Joseph and Sean in one go" - and he did!!!!
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I have this fantasy that JY was reading the forums and thinking "some people want Jac with Joseph STILL and some would have liked a romance with Sean and this is not where I want them to be I want them to be behind Jac-Jonny 100% so I know what I'll do - I'll get rid of the notions of Joseph and Sean in one go" - and he did!!!!
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It would explain Jac's moving birthday and I think the only time we have been told the specific date was XY Factor (20th April) - I always just remember it as like you it is near mine (2nd April). Valentines Day did used to be mentioned a fair amount, yes.
I have a horrible feeling that our poor little Jac is going to be very isolated when she comes back as I suspect that Jonny is going out drowning his sorrows a lot - it's the only reason I can think of he'd be keeping on letting Mo down. - bad scriptwriters! !
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I think that there are definately starting to give Jonny more depth with that line last night about him over compensating and needing approval due to an unhappy childhood. It'll be interesting to see where they take it and what the full story is as he has mentioned his Gran, Aunts and Sister so he is clearly not as alone as Jac, even if he did lose his parents young.
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Have already posted this on the main thread but thought it was worth putting it on here too. It's a very short 'behind the scenes' piece fronted by Chizzy (who's sporting a fab new haircut) that Daybreak did as part of ITV's campaign to get more organ donors.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOsyRD7tJBg However, the main reason I'm posting it on here is because in the background there are some Jac/Jonny scenes that I'd like to be able to discuss somewehere the potential pregnancy storyline can be discussed more openly. Firstly, Jac and Jonny ARE talking (although presumably about work things) but suppose they have to start somewhere Also, from what I can see Jac doesn't appear to be wearing bigger scrubs than normal (although this could have been filmed some time ago so she might not have been showing yet - after all Kate M. is 4months+ gone and if you hadn't known she was pregnant you might have thought that she'd just had a big lunch even though she was wearing quite a figure hugging outfit) Interestingly though did notice that in the background there was a scene where Rosie was holding what I'm sure is a hot water bottle which seemed a bit odd (although there was snow on the ground so maybe she was cold) and later on there's a very brief clip where Jonny is talking to her whilst she's sitting down and she's definitely got her hooded jacket on, which she normally only wears outside. Only mention this because when my sister was pregnant (both times) she was always cold (especially at the start before the bump got big) even when nobody else in the house (even my mum) was. So am wondering if rather than going for the obvious symptoms of pregnancy (morning sickness being the most obvious) with Jac they might (especially at the start) use the more subtle signs (feeling cold, increased sensitivity to smells etc). Of course the other alternative is that I am reading far too much into these tiny little clips which is probably just as likely, but I quite like doing it too so think I will continue Roll on the 5th of March when the speculation really can take off (Also, noticed a clue as to where Holby's timeline is at the moment as Dean said he'd been sober for over 8 months starting June 5th so the Holby-verse must still be somewhere in February) |
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I think that there are definately starting to give Jonny more depth with that line last night about him over compensating and needing approval due to an unhappy childhood. It'll be interesting to see where they take it and what the full story is as he has mentioned his Gran, Aunts and Sister so he is clearly not as alone as Jac, even if he did lose his parents young.
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I thought that was interesting too (loved that Professor!) and was wondering if they've added the 'orphan' aspect to his back story as time has gone on, or if it's always been there??
I think they might be doing it to highlight his and Jac's similarites. I think we are definately late February in the time frame because Nate said he and Malick had been together 7 weeks and they met at the New Years Eve party. Oh I hope she is pregnant - it'dd be sooooo disappointing if she isn't after all this. |
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You could be right about the cold thing - they all usually only wear those hoodies in outside scenes.
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I don't know. It does seem odd that he has mentioned his family several times, even his parents although he did specify it was a story from when he was very small, and it had always seemed like he was quite close to them until the line at Christmas. Maybe they have changed it or perhaps his parents died and he was brought up by his Gran (she of the Clogs) - he might still have been with family but unhappy if say his parents were killed suddenly in a car crash or something.
I think they might be doing it to highlight his and Jac's similarites. I think we are definately late February in the time frame because Nate said he and Malick had been together 7 weeks and they met at the New Years Eve party. Oh I hope she is pregnant - it'dd be sooooo disappointing if she isn't after all this. I'd forgotten about that mention of Jonny's parents and his irresistibility to girls (remember thinking how sweet it was at the time) and think you could be right about them trying to draw parallels between him and Jac. It'll definitely be interesting to see where they take it as they seem to be subtly flagging it up (if that's possible?) quite a bit now. |
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She didn't look pregnant to me in that clip!
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She didn't look pregnant to me in that clip!
I do remember my sister saying that if you were very slim (like Jac) sometimes, for some reason, it's not so noticeable as if you're slightly larger to start with. |
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No, nor to me either but could still be in the early stages when you wouldn't necessarily be showing (or perhaps Jac'll be like Nina was and only have a tiny, almost unnoticeable bump at 26 weeks!!)
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Fingers crossed that tomorrow's spoilers may give away something re the potential pregnancy... (though I'll be happy if anything Jac/Jonny-wise is mentioned!).
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As I mentioned on the other thread, I think that they are taking Jonny down the unhappy childhood route to show how alike he and Jac are but I'm not really sure it is necessary, I came across a comment I made in my ramblings about Double bubble back in May on this very subject (please see below)
Also, far from the pre publicity about Jonny being the opposite of Jac, I actually think they are quite similar. Both sarcastic, intolerant of other's failings - Jonny tidying the reception area, Elliot's timekeeping, Mo letting the donor relative and recipient meet and did you notice the tight smile to Tara when she came bounding along like an Andrex puppy? Also both caffeine junkies. Plus it's another Scot, J and did anyone notice he has a slight bald patch like the Worlds most Handsome heart surgeon did! |
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As I mentioned on the other thread, I think that they are taking Jonny down the unhappy childhood route to show how alike he and Jac are but I'm not really sure it is necessary, I came across a comment I made in my ramblings about Double bubble back in May on this very subject (please see below)
Also, far from the pre publicity about Jonny being the opposite of Jac, I actually think they are quite similar. Both sarcastic, intolerant of other's failings - Jonny tidying the reception area, Elliot's timekeeping, Mo letting the donor relative and recipient meet and did you notice the tight smile to Tara when she came bounding along like an Andrex puppy? Also both caffeine junkies. Plus it's another Scot, J and did anyone notice he has a slight bald patch like the Worlds most Handsome heart surgeon did! Also, hadn't really twigged that Joseph was (of) Scottish (descent) although now you've said, it was plain from Lord Byrne's accent that he was Scottish (amazing the things you don't think about/notice). I suppose it's much more obvious with Jonny because of his (lovely) accent. |
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I'm not sure that he has really changed that much deep down but perhaps he was keen to make an impression amd just didn't like the way the nursing side of the Ward was being managed - now he has presumbably got things running the way he likes he can be more of the nice guy. Also, I assume Jonny knew that Jac was going to be there (introductions at the People Conference course and he didn't look surprised to see her) so was nervous or over compensating in a different way.
Of course the other thing as well as the settling into the acting side which MT has mentioned is that I'm convinced that TPTB introduce characters fairly ambiguously so they can choose which direction to take them in once they've seen how they are on screen and who they interact well with so perhaps if viewers hadn't liked Jonny and Jac together, they'd have made him harder, more of a ladies man / wide boy player type and brought out the compulsive liar aspect. However, they like him and Jac so have gone with the all round good guy that is a laugh and genuinely cares route. If you think about it, a lot of the best characters have had a bit of a personality change about 9 months in once the writers have got a real handle on them but it isn't always that obvious if the writing and acting has been good. For example, Jac really wasn't a bitch in season 8 but they evidently decided to take her that way and phased out Joseph's OCD and upgraded the relationship with his father at about the same time. Similiarly, Faye suddenly became a tragic Madonna type rather than Black Widow 9 months in once they decided to go with her and Joseph's 'love' story. Of course if they were monitoring audience reaction that much they'd have jettisonned Tollie by now so my theory does have flaws!!!! |
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- bad scriptwriters!
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which is probably just as likely, but I quite like doing it too so think I will continue