It looks to be that it will be sooner rather than later.

In a way

Agreed!!!

Yes god forbid Jac should be happy for more than half of one episode. I agree, watching her act out whilst they are the perfect nuclear family is just going to be too horrible to bare but we're going to have to put up with it.

So much for my theory of Jonny putting off the wedding date and yes suspect it will be a quick registry do. It'd be nice if that were an end to it after 6 months (not that I want Carlyss unemployed) but really do have a gut feeling it is set to run all season so we'll have them married for the last half of the season and possibly them going for custody, or Bonnie getting increasingly pissed off with Jac and Emma (like that idea) or even Jonny having an affair with jac but not leaving Bonnie so everybody would be unhappy.

I do think that Bonnie is supposed to be likeable though and don't think we're meant to be so against her.

i do actually agree them marrying them off this quickly indicates to me that Jac and Jonny being together is actually the end goal and bbonnie is the roadblock If Bonnie was meant to be with him long term, they'd be making the road to them being together and especially married much more fraught with complications - ie Jonny would be soul searching about Jac much more than we are seeing The trouble is they are stopping most people wanting them to be together in the process though he has been much better the last 2 weeks

I had a little thought about Ben Hull returning and filming with Chizzy. Might he perhaps be Mo's date for the horrible event that JobBon are planning?

Could be, although that would mean it will be later on in the year rather than the location shoot episode as it wasn't that long ago that he tweeted he'd be back. But that's perfectly possible because

And I'm not sure how this Jonny/Bonnie/Jac conflict thing really fits with what Rosie said about Jac not having time for Jonny and just concentrating on Emma and her career for the foreseeable future (unless she didn't know how the s/l was going to play out or was being very careful to not give anything away) And on that point can I just say how well I think both Rosie, and particularly Michael (because of his Lorraine i/v) did not to give away the fact that Emma survived especially not mentioning how working with the babies had contributed to their broodiness.

On Bonnie's likeability I'm sure we are meant to think she's ok or at the very least NOT Satan's slightly annoying, less likeable little sister , and actually, because I think I have a more benign view of her actions/motivations than many of you on this thread, I do still think she's generally alright.

Ooh, when did Roie say that? The only recent interview I saw with her she was talking about how Bonnie would be in her sights because she doesn't like her for her (too nice) and she resents her having taken Jonny away from her as she quite liked having him at her beck and call.

I'm fairly sure that thenotice of marriage has to be displayed for 3 weeks before they issue the license but might be remembering wrong. That would still allow for episode 25 and in Soaps, there is always a convenient cancellation at short notice for venue.

I'm sure I read it in one (or possibly more) of the interviews she did around the time Emma was born (although am now doubting myself because my memory has been even worse than normal recently).

And, with regard to the notice needed for a marriage, I looked into this for a client once (don't ask!!) and its just over 2 weeks (15 or 16 days). And I suppose that could just work for episode 25 but would be a push (cos they'd have to register very soon after the proposal, which seems unlikely). Unless of course they're still running behind actual time (not having caught up since the 2 episodes when there was just one night between them) and then fast forward so they're back in synch with real-time for episode 25. And you're right about those convenient (but always so imminent) cancellations!!
I actually meant that if Mr T was going to be Mo's +1 then it'd need to be later in the year because Ben only tweeted that he was back filming a little while ago (?about a month).

Yes, I see what you mean.

I suppose some couples are so keen that they make an appointment straight away to get the license - after all it doesn't expire at least not for a very long time. I think most people wait until they know the venue and date - that's what we did. Got formally engaged (ie bought the ring although there had been an 'understanding' sor at least a couple of months) in July 08, settled on a venue in Sept, went to the Registry Office to deal with the formalities in Oct and actually married in April 09 so we had all the legalities dealt with 6 months before.

I don't know how they get a dress sorted for these immediate weddings though unless they buy off rack. I was made to feel I'd left it last minute when I started looking in the August - 9 months before the wedding!

No, me either - although the ones I've seen on TV (like Tara's) they don't tend to have gone for the whole big white wedding gown - more just a nice dress that could be bought in any dept store. I do always think it's crazy though how on most TV shows they can organise a big wedding do (with all the trimmings - posh venue, vintage cars, picture perfect church) within a matter of 2 or 3 months (sometimes weeks) - when most of the weddings I know are planned at least a year (sometimes more like 2) in advance.

This might be off topic but I found the episode tally list on IMDB last night when I was looking for something. I might type out the main list but there is some really interesting stuff in there.

Quarshie is by far the lead in episode count - high 400s and a good 50 above Hobley who started an episode before himbut of course had 2 maternity keavs. 3rd and 4th are Marcel and Bradley on 331 eps - tied even though Bradley started a year before Marcel. You've got a couple about 299, Hari Dhillon, Amanda Mealing, and Jaye Jacobs. Luke Roberts remains the 9th highest episode count at 219 and is a good 50 abive the next one which I'd have to check.

Michael Thomson has done 14 more episodes than Chizzy which given they were hired together? Carlyss has already done 17 and only started in october.

I love stats, sorry x

Yep, that's what I meant by off the rack. If you're going to buy a very nice fitted dress or evening gown and just wear as is, or take to a dry cleaners to make minimal alteration, you can get something from a department store quite easily. And when it is something as low key as Taras (and also you are young and heve the figure to carry off standard size as I did in my teens, 20s but not so much 30s when I got married) then that is fine.

I actually didn't find planning my wedding that bad and without wanting to be 'poor me' I did do it all myself as my mother isn't well, my mother in law was 300 miles away and I just got on with it. That said, I knew the budget (and i'm an accountant in a Creative area), kept o that, was insistent it be kept small and everyone agreed (I think it was 48 in the end), and was just quite hard about saying no, Rob and I don't know them, they're not coming, close family and friends only and dismissing excesses like chocolate fountains, daft ties round chair backs and didn't have a disco - source music myself. Got my mother's neighbours to do the flowers at cost plus nice pressie for her, $um in law made the cake, we did it for 5k (including honeymoon and 'control' of the hotel re bar and hotel rooms) and have been told by by several people it is the nicest wedding they have ever been to.

So, you really don't jave to spend a fortune or have a nervous breakdown. But, I might feel differently if I'd done it in 2 months rather than 9.

Or even 2 weeks which, if our suspicions are correct, could practically be the case here

Interestingly in Chizzy's Twitter Q&A session yesterday she said the Jac/Jonny/Bonnie triangle was her favourite on-going storyline (thereby proving that even people who really should know better sometimes don't ) Although, to be fair there aren't that many continuing storylines to choose from and the Digby/Dom and Raf/Harry conflict ones would probably rate lower for me too, so there's probably only the Zosia/Guy plot she could have picked which I'm not sure she would have done because it's not Darwin based (and I'm sure you are more likely to choose something you know better and have some input in).

Ooohhh and I meant to say I think the stats are interesting too - realised that Rosie was catching up with Paul when I looked a while ago, and think we can safely assume she'll be quite a bit ahead of him by the time this storyline plays out. Also, wonder if the Emma plot explains Michael's increased number of appearances compared to Chizzy, as we were discussing he's been in every episode since Christmas.

Also, wonder what proportion of Hugh's appearances have been in the last year or so because to me it feels like Ric's not been around much for ages (and when we have seen him it's normally been just a fleeting glimpse, until last week obviously).


ETA: Also, was looking at the BBC Holby website and noticed that (quite strangely I think and definitely a change) the upcoming episodes are also in the episode guide section, and there is a bit more info than I think we've had before on episode 23

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b03yngl2

so it sounds like



And, I have a horrible thinking about how the Ric plot may play out (which I'm really hoping I'm wrong about!!!!)

So do you think



Also I don't know if anyone noticed but i'm sure in the interviews I've read with Michael Thomson,

I hope this storyline isn't going to carry on for much longer, they need to have some sort of resolve. And I agree with you all when you say the end game does look like that

I can imagine it might (if we're right about the location episode) but if it's not I could also see it falling apart before it actually happens (hope you follow) and have to say that

Also, may be wrong about Jac's response but think (or maybe hope) that if her reaction was negative then the DS spoilers for the following week would be different (i.e. Jonny wouldn't be behaving as it seems he will be).


Unfortunately, like kitkat I can see them eking it out for a lot longer, although do share your hope!!!

I've seen the Thomson quote that that Bonnie is the perfect girlfriend for him but Jac has got under his skin as well.

I'm not sure I've ever seen Thomson say that Jonny loves Jac either, not even when they were together.

15 days in fact and after that it's all good to go. Marriage can be set to happen on the 16th day after the marriage notice has been put on display, provided no one contests it.

(Reasons for objection: 1) One or both parties are already married with someone still living, 2) the people are too closely related or 3) one or both are considered not to be sound of mind and therefore considered unable to make such a legal contract.)

The licence is valid for one year. Me and P sorted our licence in November and actually got married the following October.

Yeah.

And objectively she is!!! She's pretty and (generally) nice, good (as far as we've seen and so far) with Emma, they get on well together, seem to have a good laugh and have a good history (even if it is from a while back), and is affectionate (and in public too). All of which must be very appealing (especially when you think how Jac can be at times) to Jonny - Bonnie's uncomplicated (which also isn't something you could ever say about Jac) so can see why she might appear to be 'perfect' but think that, paradoxically because of Jac, she's nowhere near complex enough for Jonny now.
Bearing in mind that, according to Bonnie, Jonny was a bit of a ladies man when they were training, and that he tried (and succeeded) to get Jac into bed the first time he met her I do think it's telling that (as far as we know) he only had that one half-hearted attempt to go out with someone else (?after 'slapgate' with that patient's mum) in all the time he's been at Holby, until Bonnie turned up. Which suggests to me that if they're not Jac anyone else Jonny actually could be happy with long-term would need to be spectacular, which Bonnie just isn't - to my mind, nice just doesn't cut it when you're being compared to Jac!!!!

I always thought that we would see this "ladies man" side of Jonny at some stage as it was in the original character biog and other than his succeeding in seducing Jac the first day they met we never really saw it. Though there were mentions of it like when Bonnie turned up and Mo remarking that she'd never seen him the way he was with Jac before - implying all bis other relationships had been very casual. Interesting that after Jac he'd just stay (seemingly) celibate for some months and then jump into another serious relationship rather than playing the field again.

Yes, of course on paper Bonnie is perfect. Pretty, fun loving but also responsible and caring and able to stand up for herself when needed. But I'm afraid I still don't like her.

Just looking back on past storylines (from which I'm sure they are drawing inspiration) they could repeat pasrt of the Owen / Chrissie saga, thinking about him sleeping with Chrissie the night before he married Diane