Oh, also apparently Jonny puts his foot down because Jac refuses to play happy families on the Watd as Bonnie goes on about her wedding plans. What the....? what does that even mean? Happy families as a colleague? Well i'd be annoyed if someone went on and on about their wedding when they should be working. Or domestically? What does she refuse to just hand Emma over to Princess Bonnie to be included in the festivities? Or go to the hen party? Again, why should she?

OMG. What does Jonny want from her???

He and Bonnie make Joseph and Faye look super sensitive in comparison. But WHY does Jac have to go through all this s88t again???

Yep, especially as that's Chizzy's location episode.

Actually, re-reading it, it sounds like after having Bonnie go on about wedding plans all shift. Jac does something nasty "pushes things too far" at the hen party which Jonny objects to. Though why he is there to witness it??? Unless someone calls him in disgust. Again, I can't help suspecting that if he goes to angrily confront her whilst the hen do is happening (probably the night before, tends to be in Soaps if not real life), it will lead on to a kiss or more.

I thought I'd read on here someone mentioning that Jonny didn't seem that conflicted after the proposal (but must have been on the main thread, or I've imagined it!!) and must admit it might have been useful to see a brief glimpse of panic/unsureness just after but suppose we can maybe put that down to him being swept up in the moment. However, the morning after definitely seems to be a different story............

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And loved your April Fool's comment, kitkat!!

And what do we all think of Rowan H's possible spoiler re. Bonnie????

What was it?

Jonny looks quite miserable in that picture

I already called it after last weeks episode !! Or at least I said I thought she would end up having a problem with Emma as well as with Jac. It's quite a sinister development really but I do think that Bonnie has the potential to be quite off the charts when it comes to her and "slap me with a kipper melt in the mouth Maconie"!!

Well, my birthday is April 2nd - last year I had the joy of a Tara centric episode, this year it looks like i'll have the JonBon wedding the night before. Oh joy!!!!!

Yes it was Collins on the main thread. He didn't look conflicted in declaring his love or proposing no but he did seem to genuinely be enjoying spending time with Jac and keen to play down the seriousness of the holiday. That said, he looked like he was concentrating so hard on not dropping her it would be hard to convey much on his face!!! And, within character, I imagine it must give you a bit of a high to have a proposal accepted (nice to be wanted) so doubts might not set in immediately.

Re rowan's post, I'm treating it purely as speculation (which it is at this stage) and provided no actual harm comes to Emma and the truth of it comes out it could be interesting and some people (Collins maybe) were wondering about it last week so clues are there. I do wonder what form it would take though and worry that Jac might come under suspicion - that Bonnie might even do it for that reason. Makes out Jac is neglectful for not noticing these symptoms which makes Jonny want to go for full custody - way ti get Jac out of their lives personally and maybe even professionally as being suspected of something ike that could have professional consequences for a medic surely.

Again, that was me on the main thread saying that he didn't seem at all conflicted to me at the proposal - it came across as very sincere. He certainly never gushed that way to Jac. But he does look a tad uncertain in that photo!

But, you know, I'm really sick of Jonny being the driving force in all this. Jac is a strong woman but she is just being led by Jonny all the time. I don't like it at all. At least with Joseph it was a 2 way street.

I also wondered about that fan yesterday talking about how she'd kill Zane's girlfriend and then have loads of babies to tie him to her forever. Was that a metaphor for Bonnie being willing to do anything ti get and keep her man?

Of course, it wouldn't be the first time they've dealt with Mothers being accused of neglect or abuse. JeSs had trouble when Paris died and wasn't there an issue with Grace's Nanny and Connie getting the blame for hiring her and not getting home when she said she would.

Oh, I hope not but I suspect it could end up being quite a dark storyline with us viewers in suspense over whether she would actually harm Emma or not. At worst Jac could end up being accused of harmful behaviour herself, at the least be accused of neglect. Powerful stuff. If done right.

No he didn't gush like that which could indicate he didn't feel as strongly or maybe just that he guessed she wasn't the type to appreciate that kind of thing. Look at the rather sweet but obviously well thought out way he asked her to live with him and her response to it. As Joseph once said, he didn't think that Jac would like having flowers bought for her and she responded that he was right, clichéd and old fashioned but still it would be nice to have the gesture. Mass of contradictions our Jac.

He doesn't look happy at all does he. But that could be 2 things, genuine doubts about the marriage or just concern as to how Jac will react - both for her sake and in case it makes her more difficult about Emma.

What's the betting that he suggests going for an early date after Jac tells him she is fine with it and doesn't have any feelings for him as a reaction.

I think we've just crossed but if they do go ahead I think that is exactly what will happen. Nobody will suspect maternal, warm, caring Bonnie but they will, cold, hard, not obviously loving or attentive Jac.

Maybe i'm wrong and Jonny and Jac won't have an affair but Bonnie thinking they are leads to this action.

I know it might sound sick but I might actually be a little disappointed if this doesn't happen now. Provided that Emma isn't hurt badly and Jac is cleared - with full and abject apologies from everyone.

You've probably got the jist already CharlieC but just in case you haven't:



And I agree it could be a VERY powerful s/l but I do worry that (as things are now) if it does play out this way it will be just be sensationalist and shouty!!! And I'm wondering if,


Don't know if this needs to be spoilered because at the moment it is just speculation (but just in caae.......)

I can't spoiler on my phone so am trusting it's okay as it is pure speculation. Of course that is the other option, Jac insisting something is wrong and pointing out it only happens when Bonnie is around and not being believed because Bonnie is so lovely, caring, maternal, good with Emma etc, etc.

And what's Jac doing there anyway??? She must be really trying if she's agreed to go to that!!! (And I wonder if she asks a question that's a bit too close to the bone in the inevitable 'truth or dare' game.)

Maybe Bonnie/Jonny are flying in the face of convention (because they're such rebels!!) and having a joint hen/stag do.


But one thing is for sure - I'm not going to enjoy this hen/?stag night anywhere as much as I did the last ones (because I don't remember Oli and Tara having anything)!!!

Maybe they do combine yes as it is all so last minute and unless they actually introduce a non regular character for a one off guest (sister / friend) who is ther but Mo to organise something for Bonnie - and she'll already be at Jonny's.

Yes I agree with both of you. Jac suspecting something but not being believed is another option. Almost every episode has a reference to Bonnie being a natural mother so no one would believe Jac if she said anything ( I suspect even Elliot and Sacha would doubt her!!)

Wiggles, for the life of me I can't see why Jac would go to that hen, either!! I still remember Jac in Luke's camper van with "the boys" at Sacha's stag do - classic Holby that will never be bettered!!!

The thing is with Sacha and Chrissie is that even if she had liked Chrissie, she still would have chosen Sacha's do if there was a conflict as he is her best friend. Just as, if it is a direct clash, i'm sure Mo would rather be with Jonny even though she now appears to like Bonnie.

It was classic though. I've always wondered who invited Jac to that - Luc or Sacha. Sacha made the 'you came' comment but Luc didn't seem surprised at her appearance unlike Michael.

Luc and Michael's faces when Jac was spilling Chrissie's list of conquests were hilarious.

I am stilled miffed that Michael was "spoiled" by association with Chrissie before she left. I am also losing hope that he will ever come back. He is sadly missed on Keller these days.

I imagine that Mo's loyalties lie with Jonny first and foremost although she does seem to like and accept Bonnie now. I just hate the little bitching sessions they have about Jac - it seems so disloyal. Jac was there for Mo when she needed her but she seems to have forgotten this completely.