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I imagine that Mo's loyalties lie with Jonny first and foremost although she does seem to like and accept Bonnie now. I just hate the little bitching sessions they have about Jac - it seems so disloyal. Jac was there for Mo when she needed her but she seems to have forgotten this completely.
I hate that Elliot seems to be condoning her and the relationship as well. It was actually him that first starting rabbitting on about bonnie's 'calming' influence at the Christening, advising her to 'fight for her time' last week, smiling as they talked about their weekend away. I'm not saying it should be all 'team Jac' or 'team Bonnie' - people do move on and there is a baby involved but it does seem, as you say, disloyal to Jac. I mean she has no-one. |
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Darth Naylor really got on my +++s.
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Luc and Michael's faces when Jac was spilling Chrissie's list of conquests were hilarious.
I am stilled miffed that Michael was "spoiled" by association with Chrissie before she left. I am also losing hope that he will ever come back. He is sadly missed on Keller these days. In all honesty it is why I wasn't bothered at his leaving - as far as I'm concerned the real Michael Spence left the building October 12 after the non referral mess - in fact that caravan scene was probably his last good one! |
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And what do we all think of Rowan H's possible spoiler re. Bonnie????
)And Collins, Sacha's stag do are some of my favourite ever scenes from Holby - just brilliant!!!! |
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One of the best things about Sacha's stag do was that we saw Jac smiling and laughing. There's never too much of that.
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Yes, because Rosie's got such a lovely smile - reckon it's probably Jac's deadliest weapon (even more so than those cheekbones!!)
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One of the best things about Sacha's stag do was that we saw Jac smiling and laughing. There's never too much of that.
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Also you could so clearly see that Spence and Luc were shocked by what jac was saying and his reaction to it.
I agree, she has a stunning smile. Combination of those cheekbones, dimples and smile is fairly lethal - she should turn it on Jonny - he'd be putty in her hands. Especially if she threw in a hair toss as he seems to like that! |
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The frustrating thing about Jac is that she saves the "nice" stuff for private. She only really lets the guard down with her most trusted allies (Joseph back in the day, Sacha now) and only when they are on their own.
Likewise she can be a right cow to patients in public and then be really lovely to them when they are on their own. So we the viewers get to see soft Jac, but hardly anyone else ever does. It's part of what I love about her, but can be SO frustrating to watch!!! |
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Darth Naylor really got on my +++s.
And I agree, her smile is stunning. |
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I have to admit, When Sacha Met Chrissie is one of my favourite episodes because of the stag night, it is hilarious and it is so good seeing Jac smile, cause you don't see it often.
My favourite line is when Luc says "Jac Naylor, Ladies & Gentlemen" after she said something, one of the best lines ever, I also think from that scene, you can tell there friends in real life, because they all are close, there are some pictures on Joseph Millson's instagram from a while back. Loved those Leddi's days, that was just the beginning of Janny aswell, take us back there, Holby was awesome every week then. I'm kinda looking forward to next week, I did enjoy this week in the sense of Janny banter, especially when Jonny was speaking to her about "fangirling" |
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Dare I say it but I actually chuckled at this - it describes her perfectly when she gets that icy death stare in her eyes!!
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And I suppose it will give Jonny a VERY good reason to get a divorce if they do get married (which I'm now almost 100% sure they will)
and even if they don't use the same baby(ies) - which would be lovely - they're bound to pick a cute one/set of twins (although if you ask me practically all babies are cute)And really weirdly I had a conversation at work about FII/MbP this morning, so was able to dazzle my supervisor with my knowledge of the change in name (didn't let on why I knew about it) and she was quite impressed, so Holby is still good for something!! ETA: And just to let you know I did reply to O.K' s tweet, and without, I think, breaking my rule: Quote:
Can we not just have well written storylines with consistent characterisation please??? #nojuicerequired #pleasepleaseplease!
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Dare I say it but I actually chuckled at this - it describes her perfectly when she gets that icy death stare in her eyes!!
And I agree, her smile is stunning. Another odd thing, remember all that studd when Jonny joined in interviews about how Jac's 'nursey' jibes didn't bother him as he was perfectly happy being a Nurse as he knows how important it is and that he's good at it - there is no 'failed Doctor' complex to him. But now, the lure of open heart surgery has him yapping at Jac's heels whilst turning his nose up at Nursey 'hand holding'. |
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The frustrating thing about Jac is that she saves the "nice" stuff for private. She only really lets the guard down with her most trusted allies (Joseph back in the day, Sacha now) and only when they are on their own.
Likewise she can be a right cow to patients in public and then be really lovely to them when they are on their own. So we the viewers get to see soft Jac, but hardly anyone else ever does. It's part of what I love about her, but can be SO frustrating to watch!!! Sometimes others do see it though, like Elliot, Bonnie and Jonny seeing (and possibly hearing) her talk to Sacha after the Christening but it didn't seem to make any difference to their treatment of her and really it should have. I agree this potential storyline would provide a very good reason for a divorce though again childishly, in some ways i'd rather Jonny dumped her simply because he realised that he loves Jac much more rather than it almost being by default. Like, it was actually Faye's decision to keave Joseph in the end as she fell for Linden - i'd like someone to actively chose Jac and put her first. |
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It was funny but I just didn't like Mo saying it, at least not with any hint of affectionate teasing.
Another odd thing, remember all that studd when Jonny joined in interviews about how Jac's 'nursey' jibes didn't bother him as he was perfectly happy being a Nurse as he knows how important it is and that he's good at it - there is no 'failed Doctor' complex to him. But now, the lure of open heart surgery has him yapping at Jac's heels whilst turning his nose up at Nursey 'hand holding'. |
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Yes, it is a very deliberate thing re the writing I think. I always refer to it as the Abby Cunningham facade. Abby was the main villain in Knots Landing and never, ever broke down or showed vulnerability in public (ie to other characters). When things got too much she would go into another room to cry or break something - the actress called them her 'bathroom scenes' so the audience retained sympathy but most other characters did not.
Sometimes others do see it though, like Elliot, Bonnie and Jonny seeing (and possibly hearing) her talk to Sacha after the Christening but it didn't seem to make any difference to their treatment of her and really it should have. I agree this potential storyline would provide a very good reason for a divorce though again childishly, in some ways i'd rather Jonny dumped her simply because he realised that he loves Jac much more rather than it almost being by default. Like, it was actually Faye's decision to keave Joseph in the end as she fell for Linden - i'd like someone to actively chose Jac and put her first. I thought it was horrible the way Elliot Bonnie and Jonny just stood there watching at the Christening as Jac showed her vulnerability to Sacha and not one of them went over to comfort her or show any support whatsoever. Mostly I love Elliot but there are times I find him insensitive, such as, when you pointed out about him standing there smiling away at Bonnie and Jonny going on about their bloody mini break. I wanted to slap him then. I am with you 100% on Jac being chosen because she is the one Jonny really loves rather than because his wonderful missus has turned out to be psycho. As you say, Faye made the choice because she did not love Joseph any more - it was an honest decision, probably one of the few honest things she ever did in her life. Jac deserves to be loved and respected for who she is. Anything less is not good enough imo. |
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Re. the divorce*: I actually meant making it quicker in terms of the legalities (I don't really think that anybody could argue that 'my wife was abusing my child' isn't a valid reason for ending a marriage!!!)
Do wonder if this s/l does pan out whether it'll start when Bonnie finally realises and 'accepts' (wrong word but sure you'll get what I mean) that actually Jac is the person for Jonny, and she gets so desperate to turn him away from her that she'll do anything. *Feels really strange talking about a divorce when they're not even married!!! |
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No, I don't remember Jac ever being personally nasty to Mo. She makes the odd wise crack about stripping down bodies for parts and made her disappointment that she wasn't going on full maternity leave evident but that was just Jac's rather sarcastic take on professional rivalry. The only questionable thing I can think of was her calling Mo on her Christian values but given she was refusing to help someone in need on Christmas Day and accusing Jac of only doing it for glory I think Jac had a point.
I can understand them not approaching them at the Party, Sacha was there with her, it was a private moment but they should have modified their behaviour towards her after witnessing the vulnerability and if anything, Jonny got worse - at least for a couple of episodes. Elliot was always ga-ga about Faye as well, even giving her away so Sadly I can't say I'm entirely surprised at his liking for maternal, lovely Bonnie - even if it is indirectly hurting Jac. Oh Val often used ti annoy me so I wasn't too concerned about Abby luring Gary away. And he didn't exactly stay faithful to Abby either (or Jill) so frankly Val was probably better off with Ben. Abby was a first class bitch but she did manage to retain that softer side that only the Audience (and her children) saw which actually made her more sympathetic to me than someone like Karen that was a goodie but so judgemental that I never got upset when she was hurt - except for Sid's death and that was early on before she got annoying. |
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No, I was a Gary and Val shipper all the way!! So Abby never appealed to me. I hated her later for coming between Paige and Greg, so she could never win with me!!!
I totally agree about Karen though - so self righteous and judgemental at the same time. Sid's death was a real shocker, especially as he survived the accident and then died later. Ah, the good old days of Knot's Landing!!! And getting back to Holby - yes Elliot loved Faye (until Linden, anyway - I did love the way that he supported Joseph then even though he was in the wrong for beating up Linden (one of my favourite ever Holby moments!!!)) and he adored Sahira too. He likes the sweet little girlie types. Yet I don't think Gina was like that. However I will forgive him a certain amount because he has finally seen the light when it comes to Jac. |
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Sid's death was so traumatic. It was really unusual both to kill off a leading character like that (it was very rare back then) and to do it not at the cliffhanger but 2 episodes into the new season - IOW get the actor back and even include them on the new title sequence to fool the Audience that he was safe. Also, my grandmother had died 2 weeks before that season started so it really affected my mother - she talked labout how they had him laid out in the crucifix position on the operating table for decades afterwards. In fact I was a little concerned about showing it to her a couple of months ago (we're watching the CBS Drama repeats together on Saturday nights) but she was fine. Then, they effectively spend the whole of the rest of the season mourning for Sid - Karen her husband, children their father, Abby her brother, Richard, Gary their friend, Kanny and Ginger father figure. It is very morose and slow and there is no way any show would spend a whole year doing that now - it would be cancelled half way through but I loved it.
Karen is okay until she and Mack get really settled and smug. I never forgave them for making Greg feel that he was such a bad man that Meg would be better off with her and Mack after Laura died - as godparents they should just have been helping him - they seemed to see it as all or nothing, we either bring her up full time with her calling us mummy and daddy or you are on your own. Paige is just about to come in actually she wa s just stunningly beautiful when young and I loved Olivia as well who was almost exactly my age so I felt I grew up with - at least until BBC1 took it off air for over 2 years! Yes, Elliot does like those sweet, girly types - it's rather annoying. |
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Yes, you never see the full effect of grieving in soaps now - too boring, I suspect. Not enough "juice". Sid's death was done particularly well.
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Gina wasn't like that - or Connie so it is a little puzzling really. I actually think that he subconsciously held a grudge against Jac for quite a long time because of what she did to Joseph and also, lord Byrne backed thandie's accusation of Elliot being racist as a bargaining chip for Jac's promotion and Elliot Definately blamed her for that at the time.
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I could never figure out why Elliot was so anti Jac when he was so close to Connie, who was 10 times worse imo. I think you are right - it was the whole Joseph/Lord Byrne thing that turned him against Jac.
I'm so glad they have a great relationship now, and long may it last. I do wish he would stick up for her a bit more in the Jonny/Bonnie saga though. Why doe he think it's so great that they are happy together and billing and cooing all over the place? Can he not see how hard it is for Jac, his esteemed colleague, the mother of Jonny's child. I know Jac puts on a good show, but it's easy enough to see through it if you knew her at all. |
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Yes that is what annoys me - that nobody ever sees below the surface with Jac. It is fairly obtuse for people that haven't ever seen the softer side (there is always more to people, you'd think members of the 'caring' profession would know that better than anyone) but almost unforgivable for those that have, even if only briefly like Elliot, Oliver, Spence, Jonny and Mo. Just because she isn't sobbing and wailing constantly doesn't mean she isn't in pain and usually the people with the hardest shells are the most vulnerable inside. If she were a Patient they'd be falling over themselves to make allowances, find out the truth, help her. As Sacha did in his own unique way and look at his reward - the best, most loyal friend ever!
It is rather annoying that the only time Elliot has commented on ths situation it was directed both at Jonny and Jac with Bonnie not being included at all when really is it her presence on the Ward that has made worsened the situation. Now, as we've argued, not entirely her point but I would have liked to see Elliot take Jonny to one side and say how difficult it must be for Jac and that if he and Bonnie can't tone it down re the PDAS (which aren't appropriate on the Ward even if his ex wasn't there) and show more consideration to Jac then one or both of them (Jonny and Bonnie) would have to change wards as Jac can't. Basically, not do it in a personal way but come down on Jac's side. |
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You have summed it up perfectly, could not agree more.
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and even if they don't use the same baby(ies) - which would be lovely - they're bound to pick a cute one/set of twins (although if you ask me practically all babies are cute)