Cheers Maria - but its so much more fun to get het up about it!

I'm hoping that Maria's right and that when Jac is back things will settle down and return to normal (or as normal as things ever are on Holby ) with Jac and Sacha and Jonny and Mo back on track and Mo and Sacha doing Holby Fit Club (and the occasional midnight feast) together. Wouldn't like to think that the writers would completely change Sacha from a very loyal, good friend to someone who flits around friendships like a butterfly. Also, the only thing Sacha actually said was that Mo must be glad Jonny was moving on which to be fair isn't that much of a stretch - who wouldn't want their friend to be happy. It was Mo who said that Jonny was heading for another car crash, which considering that Jonny and Jac have obviously broken up badly (even if they don't know why) also isn't too far off the mark from her p.o.v, so Sacha might not have felt able to argue with her. Also, am wondering if Sacha knows that Jac wanted to try and work things out with Jonny??

I'm not sure about the whole Jonny thing - he's obviously trying to get over Jac (and not doing very well at it) and is perhaps letting other things slip because of this - like forgetting Sorcha's b'day (although I've always thought of him as the type of person who'd have people's b'days written in several places and have a reminder on his phone). But in his defence, he did realise something was up with Mo and actually asked her if anything was wrong. All she'd have had to say was 'it's Sorcha's b'day' because even if she thinks he should remember, surely she could give him a bit of leeway because of the whole Jac thing. Friendship is about give and take and compromise after all. Jonny shouldn't have put Mo off to go out for a date though - couldn't he have gone out with Sherry the next night, perhaps when she wasn't so concerned about her son who's just had majorish surgery???
I actually thought him saying he was flattered she'd even considered him was just his way of covering up his embarrassment. (And I didn't notice his biceps - will have to rewatch and try to!!)

@Wiggles,
Yes, it was a little inconsiderate of Jonny to say yes with an evening with Mo and then goes off with the patient's relative, isn't that unethical. I think he is hung up on Jac still and unconsciously forgot about Sorcha's birthday.

EDIT: I didn't notice Jonny's biceps, I need to re-watch, hehe.

I've noticed his biceps for a while now and combined with that accent... :-P

Also, had a thought about Jac's return. As it appears that she doesn't suspect she's pregnant when she gets back and is, according to one of the soap magazines, actively trying to 'prove herself professionally to Hanssen and personally to Jonny' in next week's episode. When (if) she does find out she's pregnant the week after am wondering if this will cause even more complications/confusion as am fairly sure if she can't be sure the baby's definitely Jonny's (because of the dates) she'll back off from trying to get back together with him, thereby potentially making him think she's being manipulative/dishonest etc. (Hope this makes sense!!)

Ah yes - that lovely accent........

I don't see why their break up should be common knowledge. Unless Jonny has told people (and really why would somebody announce that they have been cheatedd on) wouldn't it just look like Jac is overseas for work for a few weeks? Of course he'll have told Mo but I doubt many other people know the details.

Due to them being kind enough to show him shirtless in his first episode his charms have always been obvious but last night his arms just seemed even more noticeable than usual!

Completely agree with that. The confusion over the baby's paternity plus the memories and guilt of cheating on Jonny would certainly trigger her self-destruct mechanism and ruin any progress she and Jonny make once she's opened up to him. That saying, depending on what she opens up about, to what agree, and most importantly Jonny's reaction to what she says, could well cause Jonny to stick by her despite her attempts to push him away.

On a different note, we're not expecting Sean to return to Holby anytime soon are we? Isn't Wil Johnson currently in Emmerdale? I don't know how a who's-the-daddy storyline would work if he was completely off the scene...

I think that is my problem with Mo - she seems to think that because she doesn't like Jac and thinks he is better off without her, he should just get over it and not bore her by being upset and unfortunately it isn't that easy to get over someone you really cared for. If you are a true friend then you listen and sympathise even if you don't understand why your friend is so upset. Jac was always sympathetic to Sacha when Chrissie was going out on the Town with Greg and I'm sure she probably thought that Sacha could do better and wished he would move on.

Fair enough that Mo wants her friend to move on and be happy but equally, sacha as jac's friend should want her to be happy and c0oncerned that she has just lost the best thing to happen to her for years - bot be watching (seemingly happily) Jonny flirting with someone new.

I don't see how Sean can come back as the actor will be under contract to Yorkshire. They could just say Sean has left the Hospital or even that he has told Jac he doesn't care (assuming she told him). He doesn't need to be involved for Jonny still be unable to deal with the possibility of the baby not being his.

But it does seem like Sacha knew that Jonny and Jac had split up, or surely he'd have disapproved of Jonny asking someone else out. (Not sure he knows the reason behind the split though, as I also don't think Jonny, Jac, Sean or Vanessa would be likely to be shouting it from the rooftops!!)

Had forgotten about that topless scene - may have to check that out again too!!

But does Sacha know that Jac wanted to try to work things out with Jonny???

Well we don't know. Yes it definately appeared that Sacha knew about the split but we don't know how. We don't even know how soon after the split Jac left. It is very hard to believe that any of the 4 of them would have broadcast the infidelity so unless Jac told Sacha herself as a friend or more likely, Mo has opened her big mouth I doubt many people know. So, you'd think Sacha would be more concerned unless he's assuming by jac's departure that she has dumped Jonny which would be logical.

That said, given jac and jonny only reconciled at Xmas and we know how secretive Jac is, was their romance even common knowledge? Sean didn't know about it which suggests the gossip wasn't that wide spread.

Yes, that is one of the annoying things about the Holby-verse time continuum - you're never quite sure where you are!!
Also, I suppose it is possible that Jac and Jonny's romance wasn't particularly well known outside of Darwin - I mean if Jac didn't know Sean was married to another Paeds doctor who worked at the hospital, it doesn't seem that unlikely that the rumour mill might not have picked up on the whole Jac/Jonny thing.

I don't think many people knew outside of Darwin. Serena made that arch comment about Jac disciplining Jonny when he was late for a meeting which suggests she knew but I suspect Serena is the type to very much keep her ear to the ground and also notice body language. I'd guess that Hansenn is always aware of staff relationships as well, not to gossip but just in cvase of problems. Everyone probably just paid extra attention to her and the Byrnes because Charles was such a big cheese in the Medical world and the scandal of father and son.

It's very unbelievable that Jac didn't know about Vanessa though considering they've both worked at the Hospital for 7 years +, especially given the amount of time she spent in Paeds wiith Freya.

Finally some spoilers for 12th March. Not that I have any clue what to make of them...

http://www.radiotimes.com/episode/vp...--22-not-aaron

Hanssen knows about their relationship. In the episode with the radiation, she and Mo are bickering in his office about it as he walks in. Elliot made a comment about "cheering her up with the Maconie Charm" in the first of the two Sean eps but had never actually said anything outright about knowing they're in a relationship. The only person I can think of ever saying anything (other than Mo) is Ollie. Then again Mo did announce Jac's pregnancy scare in front of an entire theatre team...

Oh of course he walked in on Mo talking about her and Jonny shagging. He also queried whether she had any reason not to go to Japan after Jonny came into her office at the end of the Shift. I suspect that Hansenn does make it his business to find this stuff out as a rule anyway.

I can't remember if Mo actually made it clear who the potential father was but you would imagine that anyone in the theatre would work it out. She really does have a mouth like the Blackwall Tunnel that woman and then has the nerve to tell Jonny that her affair with Albie was nobodys business but hers. I do like her but she cam be very infuriating.

It always makes me laugh the way the Surgeons talk in front of all the other Theatre staff, like they are deaf, dumb and blind and aren't soaking up every little piece of gossip they hear. I mean there must be at least a gasser and scrub nurse in every op but they speak as if they are on their own! Very strange.

BIB, Kitkat, your wit has made happy for the rest of the day. I just couldn't stop laughing after reading your post.
I just love the sardonic humour on this thread and the main Holby thread.

I am sure Hanssen know most things that are going on his staff private lives but he doesn't bring it up directly unless it affects their staff work and their schedules. He is cleverly discreet.

From the spoilers for 12th March it looks like

I am getting more worried about her return by the day

I'm both worried about it, and far too excited about it for my own good Also very intrigued, of course.

I think that

I too am a mixture of excitement and concern about her reappearance!

After reading the spoilers, it seems like a great concern.

I've not even read the spoilers* (am trying not to - we'll see how long that lasts!) but I'm vicariously worried now too!!

Was also wondering if most (non-Darwin) people perhaps didn't know that Jonny and Jac had got back together after Christmas. They had been 'off' for quite some time before that so I suppose that's possible.


* just to clarify have seen the spoilers page with the very small summary but not clicked on it to see the details (yet!!!)