Jac Naylor was the reason I began watching the show, as I think I was hypnotised into it by her cheekbones. I then discovered what an interesting character Luc Hemingway was, unusual for a soap, and then found the whole thing could sometimes be amazingly well-written. It does descend to the level of other soaps occasionally, depending on the writer, with characters walking into one another so as drop revealing papers and advance the plot etc., but luckily Jac Naylor is still around to take my mind off it.

oh I agree about Joseph - it was definately both. Meeting of minds and souls (without getting too Mills and Boone) whilst also wanting to rip each others clothes off - very intense. They did used to have a laugh but not in that area - pure passion.

There is just a lot more fun involved with Jonny in nearly every area. It is a lust thing but she is gradually coming to appreciate him in other areas as well. I think he is already well and truly there but it remains to be seen how long he'll put up with being treated like crap whenever she feels like it.

I think that Sean is her equal professionally so she respects that. They probably would have a lot to talk about work wise. Also, his obvious respect and support of her skills means a lot to her - she doesn't get that from most people - not even Elliot. Also, they get on, I really do see him as a similar figure to Sacha in her life.

Jonny knows how good she is but worries that she'll over-reach herself and damage her career, IT comes from his caring and trying to protect her but she probably sees it as him not giving her the credit she deserves and unfortunately there's an element of him 'only' being a nurse so how dare he second guess her. They really need to get over that to make it work long term. Also, he needs to make it clear that she comes before Mo, he won't go off telling his mate all their secrets but also to stand up to her a bit more.

I maintain that Jac didn't really fall in love with Joseph until after they broke up and he started answering her back. If not grew, started demonstrating a back bone to her. I think Jac needs to respect someone to truly love them and part of that is not taking all her crap whilst not giving up on her or abandoning her. Fine line to tread.

I think we are all mesmerised by her cheek bones, even straigh women like me

Seriously, they could cut diamonds.

A face like a cadillac, including the wing mirrors.

They certainly are extraordinary, although think Jac's deadliest (and certainly most secret!) weapon is her smile - only wish she had more occasion to use it!!!!

Posted on both threads because I think is v relevant to this one and should be ok for main one


JY has now tweeted me back re. the above said this


Which is, from his pov, a really good answer - gives us lot to think/speculate about whilst giving absolutely nothing away!!! Which is actually quite a skill -reckon he's been on a course for how to do that!

@Wiggles,
JY gave a very clever answer actually. It gives an indication that Jac isn't going anywhere yet so its good for Jac fans.

I've been thinking about Elliot again, and the fact that he went to lunch with Joseph and Jennifer WEEKS AGO and agreed to be Usher at their wedding.

Given that he knows EXACTLY how much Joseph meant/s to Jac (remember when she said to him "I had it all.......and I threw it away") how very callous of him not to pull her to one side and at least warn her that Joseph had moved on and was in a serious realtionship.

And then he made light of it to Jonny and Mo.

Really NOT impressed with you, Elliot!

I know, Elliot has really, really peed me off with this one. I talked about it on the main thread. It was cruel not to give her some forewarning (though he looked like he might be about to when she got the invite but decided to scarper instead). The only excuse is that he didn't want to betray Joseph's confidence. Fair enough, but show Jac the same consideration and don't blab her personal business and thoughts about what is making her down to her boyfriend in front of other people!!!

I increasingly think he's told Joseph about Jonny as well. Joseph probably asked how she was, how he should approach it and Elliot probably reassured him it would be fine because she had someone new and not to feel bad about it. Urgh!

Her smile is stunning. Does anyone else think that Rosie nearly corpsed during the sock puppet scene. Her mouth twitches as she starts the 'I'm jacqueline, I like kick boxing and motorcycles".

I agree about Elliot, that was very bad writing for the character because the Elliot that we know just would not do that

Mo is a gossiper who should have kept her mouth zipped.

Poor Jac
Rosie is a brilliant actress

BIB. I thought she said that to Mark after he'd told her off for being mean to Penny on Joseph and Faye's wedding day.

Although, agree with the general sentiment that Elliott should have forewarned her somehow. Was especially put out (but strangely also ever so slightly amused) by his running out of the office when it became clear that she was about to open the invite - presumably his desk was also covered in sequins and sparkles (they'd have just been harder to spot)!!

Although, I actually think it was Joseph's responsibility to say something about it - he's gone down a bit in my estimation (although I'm not sure it's quite as out of character of him as some others seem to be - will have to have a bit of a ponder about this and marshall my thoughts before posting...)

You could be right about it being Mark - for some reason I remembered it as Elliot, so my mistake!

It is out of character for Elliot with everyone except Jac. For some reason, he never seems to grant her the consideration and care that he does everyone else and i'm really not sure why unless it is subconsciously that he was so close to Joseph he still hasn't let go of her hurting him so badly when she slept with his dad.

Actually that was Mark, you're right Wiggles but Elliot does know how she feels - he must do. He was the only one that saw her crying when Joseph left and also, a few weeks later when he had a go at her for back stabbing Sahira over a promotion he asked why and, nearly crying, she answered you know why. Maybe I'm wrong but I took that as her saying, I gave up Joseph and now my career is all I have.

I posted the below on another forum in response to someone saying that Jac had no right to be upset or expect consideration from Joseph as she'd dumped him for her job. I thought I'd share here too.

Jac and Joseph's break up really wasn't as simple as one dumping the other because they were selfish. They both had different aspects of their lives that had to take priority and they couldn't see a way through it. They almost broke up because they loved each other so much rather than not loving each other enough - the was too high a chance they'd both have to give up too much to please the other and they'd end up resenting or hating each other - back to the mess they'd been in for most of the previous 3 years.

Jac is surprisingly self aware, she probably knew (or was scared) that she would end up mucking up and hurting Joseph or even worse Harry. Unfortunately, due to her background, I think she does need to feel that she comes first as she never has had that - most people do with their parents, at least when they are young but as she has never had that reassurance or stability she craves it now and Joseph was always (rightly) going to put Harry before her. Then, as Mark says having to jump every time Faye calls as he is scared she'll take Harry and finally his job. Jac would have been way down that list and what would she have? No high flying surgical job just a GPs position talking to patients constantly rather than actively fixing them (her idea of professional hell I imagine) and inlaws that hate her. It might have worked if Harry was her child as well, they both loved him more than each other, but whilst I know step families can work well, I think Jac might have struggled. Especially if she was kept at arms length as Joseph promised Faye he wouldn't let Harry forget her and no-one would replace her as his mother and also, that they'd be waiting for her to return.

Finally there was the incredibly high handed way he did it. He had obviously been talking to Elliot, the GP surgery in Penrith,, he’d even sent a strongly worded resignation to Hansenn without even discussing the possibility with his grilfrend? Yes he asked her to come with him but it was very much, I’ve rearranged your life, like it or lump it. If that was an indication of how the decision making process would work in the marriage, I don’t blame her for being apprehensive! I do think that they belong together and could have made it work but not with one person (in this case Jac) making all the sacrifices. No relationship can work long term on those terms in my opinion.

No mention of Jac in the spoilers for the 5th February either.......

No but that's not that unusual. She's had a big part of the previous 3 weeks storylines so a rest is to be expected. She's not going anywhere long term, I'm sure. That said, can't say I'm looking forward to Jacless, tara heavy editions.

Have already posted this in the main thread so hope its ok to repeat here:


Also had a thought about what Jac might do if she is pregnant but doesn't want to let on that she doesn't know if it's Sean's or Jonny's. Am hoping she wouldn't be so cruel as to say she was further along in her pregnancy than she is so it would have to be Jonny's, because of the risk that it could be Sean's which would be obvious when the baby was born*. So was wondering if she'd say that she wasn't as far gone as she actually is - thereby allowing her to say that the baby is the result of a one night stand/short fling she had after the whole Jonny finding out about Sean blew up in her face. In this way if the baby is mixed race she'd have a get-out clause which would allow her NOT to get Sean involved (which I can't see her being keen on because of his wife/other baby)

* Think this could be the reason they've picked Sean for this particular storyline rather than anyone else like Eamonn (as well as the fact that she and Jonny weren't together when she went out with him) - cos Jac wouldn't be able to lie to Jonny about the baby being his if it is Sean's, and she'd know this.

I know what you mean, especially because it seemed to me that, until this, she was doing sooo well in terms of character development. Owning up to Hanssen about her part in his downfall, standing up to Cunningham and Serena about Hanssen despite knowing how they (who had power and influence) felt about him, performing that operation on Nanna despite the threat of suspension from Imelda, showing her softer side to and sticking up for patients (Billy,Nina) and relatives (Nanna's grandaughters), seeming to be a bit more of a team player - thanking people for getting Nanna's heart beating again and telling Jonny that the Hertzigg op would be ok because she had 'these guys to help her' or WTTE. I really thought she was blossoming, and then she goes and does something like this. And although it pains me to say it, it was her who instigated the cheating by asking Sean back to hers, and I agree she definitely had sobered up so can't use alcohol as an excuse either. So definitely disappointed in her (but still love her too - just have to hope Jonny can also feel like this at some point in the future!!)

ETA: Interesting theory about how Jac might approch things if she is pregnant too, always assuming that if she is, she'll keep the baby.

Unfortunately I'm assuming that Jonny finds out next week and has the hump for some time so I don't see them being intimate before she's likely to discover a pregnancy. Also, unless she keeps it a total secret or tries to cut Jonny out, he would surely go to scans with her so know how far along she was. Sean, I inagine she could tell to get lost so he'd be easier to scam.

Been thinking about this, and if Jac says she got pregnant after she and Jonny split up next week (saying it was the result of a ONS/fling she had with somebody else post their breakup as diliette suggests) then Jonny would have no reason to get involved/go to scans, thereby allowing her to keep how pregnant she actually is a secret.

Also on my quest to find out how old Elliott was this morning (now resolved, thanks again Maria) noticed there was another photo on the BBC Holby website of Jac from next week's episode, showing her standing outside the hospital at night on her mobile

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p013s898 (under the episode clip)

And to me (and I have no idea why I think this or any evidence to back it up either so am probably completely wrong) it looks like its a 'I'm going away for a bit' phonecall. Which might explain her abscence from the next couple of week's spoilers (despite them seemingly featuring Darwin a lot) but would also allow her to 'invent' someone she's slept with away from the hospital that people at the hospital woudn't know about (and therefore couldn't disprove).

That is possible of course but I don't really like the idea od her lying that there is no possibility of it being his. You'd think he'd demand to see a scan for proof unless of course he just wants to believe it. Not seen the photo but I agree she might disappear for a couple of weeks to regroup.

Was actually thinking that she'd probably/possibly try to talk to him about it early on (just after she finds out) but he'll understandably still be upset/angry and only be willing to talk about work/patient-related things. This will cause her to retreat into herself and put on her best self-reliant, 'I don't need anyone' front (as she can do so well) and decide to do it on her own, making a lie about timings/dates the easiest option.

Am then thinking Jonny could find out that she's pregnant but believe her about the dates (because why wouldn't he believe that she'd had another ONS/fling when she'd already cheated on him?). Then hoping that he'll realise (possibly through the old chestnut of Jac and/or the unborn baby being placed in some kind of danger/peril - ?assaulted by a pt) that he does still care about Jac, start to get involved with the pregnancy, begin to consider that he could love another man's child and then realise that said baby could be his.

Not that I've thought about this much you understand

Actually just thinking how funny it'd be if, after all this thought/speculation on my part, it turns out that Jac isn't pregnant after all. Think, despite all the potential problems/pitfalls, I'd actually be quite disappointed now - seeing the way Jac was looking at Mo's crib scene before Jonny turned up at the end of the Christmas episode, and how bad I felt for her when she explained to Sacha why she didn't want to go to his for Christmas, think it'd be lovely if she had her own family (even if it's just her and the baby) to celebrate with and feel she belongs to, next year.

Oh I know, I agree. This speculation re a jac pregnancy has been circulating so long - back to the lord Byrne days - Josephs son or sibling?!? It really took fure as he was leaving as well and they do seem to have delighted in throwing babies at her the last 2 years, ever since she had to help deliver Harry really and Faye mad that comment about him should have been jac and Josephs.

This may be another red herring but I do feel the time is right to address it. Given her mother issies, Jac's feelings about a baby (esp an unplanned, paternity unsure one) would be fascinating. She's be so scared about repeating her mum's mistakes - would she back off completely? But it's clear she does want on? She is the most interesting character to run a pregnancy plot with now.

It also explains why the pregnancy scare last year was left at a scare, which I thought was a waste because of the whole radiation complication/on-off new relationship with Jonny angle. But that decision now makes perfect sense in the light of the even more complications there will be if she does find herself pregnant now (if indeed she is)!!
I definitely think she wants a baby now (although don't think she'd ever have deliberately set out to get pregnant at the moment - if that makes sense?) Remembering her face after she'd told Jonny the test was -ve and all the other things, but do worry that she might get scared and have a termination, which I think would be the worst possible outcome, because of the damage it'd do to her psychologically/emotionally.

BIB - maybe shes off to Penrith to stop a "certain" wedding!!