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Old 11-02-2014, 22:53
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Jac looked so defeated when she gave Emma over to Bonnie. I was screaming at the tv "don't do it, Jac!!"

Sacha could have said a bit more to comfort Jac imo but I loved that he was there for her and I absolutely adore the Jac/Elliot relationship now!!
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Old 11-02-2014, 23:43
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Jac looked so defeated when she gave Emma over to Bonnie. I was screaming at the tv "don't do it, Jac!!"

Sacha could have said a bit more to comfort Jac imo but I loved that he was there for her and I absolutely adore the Jac/Elliot relationship now!!
I know, it was awful wasn't it. Why didn't Jonny take her for god's sake to see if he could comfort her? Just looming over going "sshhh" was never going to work was it!

I wanted Sacha to say more as well but at least he kept holding her. And god, how long did she cuddle him for, how much did she let down her guard and show her vulnerability. How could Jonny and Bonnie see that and not realise how hurt, scared and vulnerable she is - especially Jonny who should know her well enough to know that she doesn't let her guard down easily and Bonnie who has probably not seen her like that. How could they see it and not try to help and if that last scene was Jonny trying to help then words fail me - they really do.

They've really turned her and Elliot's relationship round from when he only seemed to get at her and only berate, never comfort or praise. Mind youn that;s Jonny's job now isn't it!
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Old 12-02-2014, 10:38
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Jac looked so defeated when she gave Emma over to Bonnie. I was screaming at the tv "don't do it, Jac!!"
Likewise. If anyone, she should've given Emma to Sacha to hold. He could have easily had the same calming effect and that would not have got too difficult for Jac as she genuinely likes Sacha.

And yes, Jonny is merely paying a lip service to Jac being Emma's mother. I hope Jac finds enough inner strength to stand by Emma and not give her up.
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Old 12-02-2014, 13:08
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I really, really hated the way Bonnie was standing with Jac and Jonny whilst everybody else, including godfather was on the other side of Lexi. It firmly established her as 'parent' and more important than anybody else and i'm sorry but she just doesn't deserve that. Even if she and Jonny were married (which they aren't) that would be too much. I have never been to a Christening where anybody other than a parent of vicar held the child throughout the service no matter how much they were crying. And I totally agree, why didn't Jonny at least try to calm her, indeed why wasn't he holding her in the first place, when Jac was due to arrive?
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Old 13-02-2014, 23:26
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Old 14-02-2014, 16:51
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Old 14-02-2014, 18:02
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Now, that should be interesting!!!!
I can't spoiler on my phone, as i'm away for the weekend but my reaction to the jac bit was 'hmm, if you ask me the boot is on the other foot re being pushed around in the personal situation as Jac hasn't actually objected to anything even though she must want to - Bonnie being on the original birth plan as a contact, being in NICU all the time, being so involved in the Christening and organising the party. I guess it could well be professional though.
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Old 14-02-2014, 18:52
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I can't spoiler on my phone, as i'm away for the weekend but my reaction to the jac bit was 'hmm, if you ask me the boot is on the other foot re being pushed around in the personal situation as Jac hasn't actually objected to anything even though she must want to - Bonnie being on the original birth plan as a contact, being in NICU all the time, being so involved in the Christening and organising the party. I guess it could well be professional though.
I'm thinking it will probably be to do with work rather than personal stuff.

Also, with regard to next week's episode
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Old 14-02-2014, 19:30
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Oh i'm thinking it will be professional but have its roots in her feelings because of the personal situation. Which is really unfair of course and will end up making Jac look worse but I can understand why she'd hit back with the one weapon she has other than making it difficult for Jonny to see Emma (you can't have her when Bonnie is there, you have to choose which a lot of women do)(unfairly) do when the father's of their children get your new girlfriends) but that would long term hurt Emma and I think jac is determined for her to have a father in her life as she didn't.
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Old 18-02-2014, 18:39
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Can't wait to see what Johnny is going to try and pull tonight. Not.

If he uses Jac to get a promotion then he doesn't have a leg to stand on, the smug git.
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Old 18-02-2014, 20:17
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Emma needs a strong male authority figure.

Ouch!
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Old 18-02-2014, 20:50
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Wow - Jac's playing an absolute blinder. Can't help thinking she'Ll bow it by episode end though.
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Old 18-02-2014, 20:52
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And I tempted fate.
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Old 19-02-2014, 09:56
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Kitkat (and anybody else with an interest) any more ideas about what the other cuddly toy is......? Still looks slightly monkey like to me.

http://www.radiotimes.com/episode/cs...ing-you-can-do

and have to say I love that photo (but then I'm a sucker for shows of such obvious paternal affection - they make me feel all fuzzy inside). And, do we think that's from pre or post Jonny's first trying shift as Darwin CNM (I'm going to go with post)
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Old 19-02-2014, 11:44
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Jonny didn't let me down. He is a prize d..k.
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Old 19-02-2014, 12:53
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Just posted at length on the main thread - I"ll try and repost it.

I'd say post shift and i'm aafriad that I won't have sympathy with jac making his life more difficult next week after his trying to set her up last night. They are both behaving so childishly and nastily now - as I say it is Jac and Joseph circa season 10 but without the genuine motivation for all the hatred or any of the humour (or feeling there is still love underneath) in the sniping.

I'd say post shift and it is a lovely photo - she is really kicking her legs up! I still say she'd have been better off being baptised in that white baby grow because it is white and she looks adorable.
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Old 19-02-2014, 12:54
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I still say hippo but it is hard to be sure.
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Old 19-02-2014, 15:19
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TPTB better not EVER put Jac back together with that wa...er.

I actually hate him now, on a level not seen since Sahira and Faye.

Why couldn't Sean have been Emma's dad instead???

I think Bonnie is starting to suspect his real motives now though.
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Old 19-02-2014, 15:34
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TPTB better not EVER put Jac back together with that wa...er.

I actually hate him now, on a level not seen since Sahira and Faye.

Why couldn't Sean have been Emma's dad instead???

I think Bonnie is starting to suspect his real motives now though.
Is it possible that Sean is the father and that should a DNA test be required, say for enforcing paternity on birth certificate it'll be bye bye JonBon? Or is it wishful thinking?
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Old 19-02-2014, 16:30
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Is it possible that Sean is the father and that should a DNA test be required, say for enforcing paternity on birth certificate it'll be bye bye JonBon? Or is it wishful thinking?
Definitely impossible - timing (Jac slept with Sean at the beginning of Jan last year), medically (she had a gynae procedure after, and I'm fairly sure they'd have done a pregnancy test before that, seeing as you can't even have some X-ray's if you're not within 28 days of your LMP) and, dare I say it, look of Emma wise (because whilst I know it is possible for a black person and a white person to have a white baby [seem to remember a story about twins being born to a mixed-race couple - one black, one white, some years ago] it is exceedingly rare).
Also, Jac has never once given any hint that the father could be any one else but Jonny, no matter how much she might wish it was so at the moment...
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Old 19-02-2014, 16:52
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Is it possible that Sean is the father and that should a DNA test be required, say for enforcing paternity on birth certificate it'll be bye bye JonBon? Or is it wishful thinking?
Very wishful thinking as it was a year between her sleeping with Sean and the birth was supposedly 3 weeks early. Plus we were told there was no pregnancy in the scans she had when diagnosed with endometriosis. Finally, Emma does look very white to me.

Anyway, Sean was hardly a Shining Knight in his last episode was he - cheated on his wife and prepared to throw Jac to the Lions.

Yep, Bonnie is beginning to realise that Jac is the motivating factor in all Jonny's actions and would you want someone that invested in their ex? Also, what is to stop him turning on Bonnie in the same way if they ever break up?
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Old 19-02-2014, 17:06
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Awww shame. Thanks for helping me get the facts right.
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Old 19-02-2014, 19:26
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At least Joseph treated Faye with some respect as the mother of his child, no matter how mad she was or how much he hated her. Jonny, on the other hand, constantly berates and second guesses Jac as a mother - IN HER PLACE OF WORK. How unprofessional is he?? AND he gets a promotion for it!!!! The mind boggles.
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Old 20-02-2014, 11:55
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http://www.radiotimes.com/episode/cs...---21-instinct

Oh dear (and do actually mean that)!! Can see why Bonnie might be a little more bolshy than normal then.

And am definitely now thinking that Jonny must have done something else before starting his nursing career (the 'man of mystery' persona continues) otherwise the ages just wouldn't make sense.


ETA: Not much sympathy for Jonny at the moment (you always have to be careful what you wish for). More responsibility always equates to more work after all.
And, though I know they won't actually show this on Holby (because he'll be super-nurse doing everything) as a CNM in reality he'd much more likely be in the office, doing paperwork, delegating tasks, compiling reports, attending meetings etc than on the ward actually interacting with/treating patients. Because in the NHS (as with lots of big organisations) the higher up the ladder you climb the further you are away from the people you actually work for.
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Old 20-02-2014, 12:59
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Yes I know, I can't help thinking it serves Jonny right a little bit. Maybe he'll stop having a go at Jac for putting work first all the time now he knows how hard a much more senior position is and that getting it just out of spite was a bad move. Also apparently next week she is breathing down his throat, undermining him in front of Patients - again no sympathy after the way he set her up on Tuesday. He's started the war on the Ward, hitting her where it has hurt most all these years.

Bonnie - again but sorry hard for me to feel too sorry for her after the way I think she's been over stepping the mark with Emma - so she has one important day marred, jac's had that her whole life, including stuff with Emma and Bonnie is at least partially responsible for that - even if she didn't intend to.

I just don't understand Colette's logic for the promotion. Either she recognise that the what she witnessed was at least personal in part (which it was) in which case the logical thing would be to split them up, recomend that Jonny swaps with the Sister for another Ward as his skills are more transferable than Jac's or she thinks Jac is like that with all Nurses, all the time in which case official action should be taken against her - she should raise a complaint with Jac's line manager (Guy) and HR so she can be sanctioned - maybe even suspended. All she has done is give Jonny better arsonry to carry out a personal vendetta which might damage the whole department.

Again, did Colette reapply for and get her job then? She's just handing out promotions without formal interviews and telling HR. Even if she decided there was a need for a CNM, surely legally it should be advertised, there will be other Nurses in the Hospital as qualified and able to do the job as Jonny who could sue for not be given the chance to apply. Maybe that's why they said 'Acting'.

Finally, someone in the know, are CNMS really responsible for doing the Doctors rotas and budgets?
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