Could not agree more.

Holby recruitment rules apply!!!!
Because obviously, in reality you wouldn't just be able to ask for 'more responsibility' and get a promotion approved just like that - particularly not with the financial situation the way it is (and especially as lots of people are facing being down-banded).


Had a quick look on the nhs jobs website and there were 2 CNM posts on there (so they're obviously not all that common)

one Band 7:
http://www.jobs.nhs.uk/cgi-bin/vacde...tion=913302127

and one band 8a
http://www.jobs.nhs.uk/cgi-bin/vacde...tion=913299150

and after a quick look at the JD's don't think (even as a band 8) he'd have much say about what happens with the doctors on the ward. Think the clue might be in the name CNurseM. I suppose he would be able to mess about with the theatre lists and give Jac all the boring routine cases but only when they weren't already her patients (am presuming she does have o/p clinics) and even that I'm imagining could be over-ruled/swapped around by Elliot and presumably Jac if there were other more junior doctors (which I'm presuming there must be) who could do the ops she didn't want to. Also, am sure it would become fairly obvious, fairly quickly if he was using his authority to sideline her, and that wouldn't go down well with anyone I wouldn't imagine.

Thanks Wiggles - that is what I thought. Surely part of a Consultants workload is organising budgets to do with the Doctoring side of their department and organising their staff rotas. I really fail to see what Jonny can really do to hurt her (he was already organising theatre lists and I'd have thought Nurses rotas as Charge Nurse) and yes, it would get very obvious quickly - she could just go to Elliot or Guy and allege a personal vendetta due to their domestic situation and as that is what Colette originally thought she'd have a good case.

Also, when I had a quick look, the maximum salary is 47k so he is still earning less than half of what she does so she can still fling that in his face when she chooses to. I also doubt he could manage a full time Nanny's salary on that as well as his rent, living expenses etc so i'm failing to see what he'll gain long term.

I'm rewatching some season 9 (felt I needed some early Jac and Joseph niceness after recent Janny) and other plots include Connie in early pregnancy with Sam sagging anything that moves whilst virtually stalking her about scans as Jealous Chrissie scowls in the background, and Mark's first day as Consultant Nurse being firmly reminded (by Lola - a nice one) that he is in charge of Nurse matters only - he is not on a level with the Doctor consultants, can't reprimand Doctors, can't be left in sole charge of the Ward. Interesting how things repeat.

Another gem re hierachy back in season 9. Joseph to Martha "Nurses report to junior Doctors, junior Doctors report to Consultants and Consultants...". "Report to God" answers Martha "I javen't been working here a while, I know all this".

That implies, rightly or wrongly, that no Nurse has power over even a junior doctor, let alone a Consultant.

I'm never sure why people think it's ever a good idea to undermine colleagues in front of customers, clients but particularly patients. Surely they must realise that it doesn't reflect very well on the workplace (or them) and in the case of hospitals must, at the very lest be unsettling and at the very worst downright frightening for patients. I wouldn't fancy being treated by someone who I wasn't 100% sure was doing their job right/on the ball.

BIB: but at least it sounds like (from IS) they're also going to call a truce (until the next thing crops up again anyway)


ETA: I miss Lola - she talked lots of sense!!! And, yes, it is funny how everything comes round again.

The thing I've always lived by is that you put on a united front to any ousiders. That includes other department, companies, clients, suppliers. Often a mistake would have been made and they would be hauled over the coals but it is done in private, no matter how small the department. Even when I was managing a team as small as 4 I would take someone privately if I needed to ;have a word' and hire a board room for a departmental dress down. If for no other reason than I recognised I night need to calm down, think before scolding and it should always be private. And this is in an environment where 'clients' (patients) canl( hear everyone and be scared for their lives and future health.

Btw, with complaints or issues, you say it will be looked into, reprimanded if deemed fit, the client kept informed and someone else will take over the issue and come back within 24 hours. But you never. Ever assign blame to a collaguge, boss or junior and never undermine then. That is close to gross misconduct most places i've worked.

http://m.digitalspy.co.uk/soaps/s19/...-part-one.html

No mention of Jac but Jonny/Bonnie(eugh) are there!

I couldn't care less what happens to Bonnie

Me neither. As I said yesterday, it might be unfair as you can argue that she hasn't chosen this situation and certain things have been beyond her control and she hasn't intentionally hurt Jac but the fact is she has and I just can't get over that. So, I don't care if her birthday is marred and I don't care if she feels insecure about Jonny's loyalty or affections. How does she think Jac has felt for months - how she felt the first day Bonnie showed up and Jonny took her side, showing zero loyalty to the mother of his unborn, sick child who was going through hell and also just doing her job in complaining about Relatives being where they shouldn't be and the Ward being understaffed. And everytime Bonnie has rolled her eyes or made comments since to Jonny.

Not to mention the fact that she held Jac's baby before Jac did (and did apologise for it and seem sincere) but then went on to deliberately try to upstage Jac at her own daughter's christening. I won't forgive her for that, ever.

So will I be upset that d..khead has forgotten her birthday? Ugh, that would be a big fat NO.

That is what turned mu utterly against her as well. Holding Emma before Jac was horrible (and I still think she could have said no, it's too soon, you and Jac should take all the time available) but i'd give her the benefit of the doubt that she didn't know, it hadn't occurred to her that Jonny would give her Emma knowing that Jac hadn't held her first and she did seem so sincere. But to get as involved as she did at the Christening, offering to get her, holding her when she knew how Jac felt about it the last time and then going on about it at the party afterwards, a party the Mother hadn't even come to obviously because she was upset and show no remorse or sympathy - sorry, she's totally done her dash with me now.

Compare it to how Jac was with Faye over Harry and Jac had genuine reason to hate Faye and that both Joseph and Harry would be better off without her. But, she respected that she was Harry's mother and deserved respect, consideration and care because of it.

Agreed. I really hate the way the writers are portraying Jac as a crap mother without giving her a chance. It was bad enough that the baby could have died and she split up with the baby's father. Now we have to sit through the "Jac is a bitch and so can't be a good mother whilst Jonny is so lovely and a great dad and isn't it a pity that his lovely maternal girlfriend isn't the baby's mother" storyline.

It's making me very, very mad indeed.

Yep, me too. Why doesn't he just bugger off and impregnate Bonnie if he thinks she is that great a Mother.

Sorry to say I told you so but I did remark that I thought all that stuff in the birth episode about not wanting anyone else as the mother of his child and how lucky the baby would be was just lip service and said because it needed to be to get her through the birth. Utterly insincere. She may have meant something to him once but he doesn't act as though she does now in anyway at all.

Interesting what rowan Hedge said on the main thread about people being unhappy behind the scenes. I did speculate a couple of weeks ago on here about how Thomson feels about this about turn in Jonny's character, whether he understands what caused it. It wouldn't surprise me at all if he was unhappy. Aside from trying to play it consistently, he might not like that the Audience is turning against Jonny after he'd been such a hit on arrival. I also speculated about Chizzy's feelings over the Transplant storyline complaints and backlash as she is such an advocate for Organ Donation. I mean, it is a cause she vocally supports and the Transplant Register are publicly stating that HC ignored their advice to make it more sensational and it has had the effect of people asking to have their names removed. If I was her, i'd feel very cruddy about that, even though it was in no way my fault.

I think Hugh Quarshie has very good reason to be fed up - he is constantly side lined. And yet, when he is given a chance, as with the episode where Jac gave birth and he was back at his old college, he was fantastic!!

Yep, we definitely need more Ric (although I suppose it's possible Hugh may be working on another project, as he's done before - can't for the life of me remember what it was called but he was in something a couple of years ago on BBC2 which was brilliant).
And I'm sure Chizzy wasn't happy with the fallout from the transplant storyline (if not the s/l itself). I mean, her brother has had a kidney transplant, so the last thing she'd want to happen would be for people to leave the list because of something she was involved in (and I still think that was very shabbily done by Holby - lets just ignore the views of the poeple we've asked us to advise us on this - really great idea).

Also, the new people they have brought in are not exactly engaging - nowhere near as good as the likes of Michael, Malik, Hansson or Chantelle!!

Yep, maybe he is happy getting money for doing virtually nothing but I doubt it somehow. Most actors (like people) want to do a decent's days work to earn their money. 'Self Control' aside, he has been little more than a glorified extra for the past year. It is actually quite disrespectful that they should treat their longest serving cast member, their elder statesman in such a way.

And if they follow social media at all they will know that the Audience aren't taking to them - which will be disheartening for them and probably worrying for the production as a whole.

The show was called 'White Heat' (I think).

Btw, Collins, ot but have you seen the EE announcement they made last night? What do you think?

That's it - I kept thinking of 'White Teeth' but that's a ?Zadie Smith novel isn't it, and knew it wasn't that.


Also, I agree about the comings - Adele has been my favourite of the recent ones. Although Guy is growing on me ever so slightly and still think Raf has potential - just wish they'd tone him down a bit. I still haven't really engaged with Colette yet though and found myself enjoying the lack of Dom on Keller this week, which probably isn't a good sign.

I loved the lack of Dom this week though to be fair, I don't think it is as much him as this rivalry with Digby which I hate - which of course will drag him down as well.

The rivalry with Digby definitely hasn't helped but to be honest I just don't like Dom as a character, and am not fully convinced by the actor either (although am prepared to have my opinions changed on both counts)

It'd be good to have a bit of development for him. There has got to be more to him than (genuinely no offence intended but how I feel he is being written and acted) malicious, vindictive, wind up merchant, predatory queen.

I totally agree about Dom - there needs to be more to him than bitchy vindictive camp ruthless go getter. I just can't warm to him, and not just because I love Digby.

Regarding EE, it WAS a bit of a shocker, for me. I think that character has a lot of potential and it seems a bit of a waste to me. A great storyline, for sure, but perhaps a little short sighted in the long term??? I would have gone with instead!!