[Saltydog1955]

Originally Posted by Blondie X

There is nothing to prove whether she is or isn't lying so the last bit is a completely moot point.

I'd lay money that she's making it up, simply because I think she's not beyond doing anything for publicity.

[Blondie X]

Originally Posted by Cym

As far as Im concerned the links do prove that she was abused twice as a child, as she stated on air in front of her mother and PA and I can see no reason to suggest that she made something like this up, maybe because I just dont hate her, because thats what seems to really lie behind all this, without any alternative evidence to prove different what so ever

Please don't dare try and tell me how I think and why I believe what I do. And don't try and turn this into a 'you hate her and that's the only reason' as that is contemptuous.

You know you can not back up your claims, hence your repeated deflections. If you truly think there is any evidence to PROVE she was abused twice as a child, then why the reluctance to back it up? I know that if I knew I could prove something and I was being asked to, I'd certainly do so to shut people up.

[Cym]

Originally Posted by Blondie X

Please don't dare try and tell me how I think and why I believe what I do. And don't try and turn this into a 'you hate her and that's the only reason' as that is contemptuous.

You know you can not back up your claims, hence your repeated deflections. If you truly think there is any evidence to PROVE she was abused twice as a child, then why the reluctance to back it up? I know that if I knew I could prove something and I was being asked to, I'd certainly do so to shut people up.

And dont you dare use that attitude towards me either, this is not your site and you have no right to tell me what to post Ive backed up my claims straight from the horses mouth, if its not good enough for you then move on instead of looking for an argument !!!

[Essex Angel*]

Originally Posted by lexi22

Thanks for link, Essex Angel. I am now holding you responsible for the fact I just spent 20mins reading various extracts of her books.

Sorry Lexi,

[janna]

Originally Posted by Blondie X

Please don't dare try and tell me how I think and why I believe what I do. And don't try and turn this into a 'you hate her and that's the only reason' as that is contemptuous.

You know you can not back up your claims, hence your repeated deflections. If you truly think there is any evidence to PROVE she was abused twice as a child, then why the reluctance to back it up? I know that if I knew I could prove something and I was being asked to, I'd certainly do so to shut people up.

This in bold ^ . Absolutely. There IS no evidence & her supporters repeating it ad nauseam(oh what an apt phase for Jordanisms) will just not make it true.
The claim was made by a woman renowned for embellishing stories for dramatic affect. In other words telling porkies. Be it for dosh in an interview or to gain sympathy (both in this case). Thus I choose not to believe anything emanating fro her mouth.
I'm still waiting for the proof Cym. If there was a court case or police involved her mother will have a copy of any documentation . Why has she not produced any such documents to back up these outrageous lies which belittle genuine victims ?

[lexi22]

Originally Posted by Cym

As far as Im concerned the links do prove that she was abused twice as a child, as she stated on air in front of her mother and PA and I can see no reason to suggest that she made something like this up, maybe because I just dont hate her, because thats what seems to really lie behind all this, without any alternative evidence to prove different what so ever

FWIW I see no reason to not believe her either, in that both incidents are documented in her books and, as you say above, confirmed publicly in front of her mum. The problem with KP is that her emotions levels are so screwed up that she can talk about them - even trot them out almost as anecdotes - in the same breath as discussing eg. her new nail range, rendering them unimportant and of no particular consequence or as if they had no lasting impact on her.

And this, I'm afraid, is her fault, not anyone else's, so you can't really blame people for their scepticism and unwillingness to give her the benefit of the doubt. It's just another downside of this 'hard as nails' persona she seems incapable of moving away from.

[lexi22]

Originally Posted by Essex Angel*

Sorry Lexi,

I forgive you. Must say she comes across far better on paper than she does when she opens her gob in real life. She should employ that ghost writer as her official spokesperson. It would save her a lot of grief.

[Blondie X]

Originally Posted by lexi22

FWIW I see no reason to not believe her either, in that both incidents are documented in her books and, as you say above, confirmed publicly in front of her mum. The problem with KP is that her emotions levels are so screwed up that she can talk about them - even trot them out almost as anecdotes - in the same breath as discussing eg. her new nail range, rendering them unimportant and of no particular consequence or as if they had no lasting impact on her.

And this, I'm afraid, is her fault, not anyone else's, so you can't really blame people for their scepticism and unwillingness to give her the benefit of the doubt. It's just another downside of this 'hard as nails' persona she seems incapable of moving away from.

It's not about whether people believe her or not. I certainly haven't said one way or the other but Cym stated that there was proof that she wasn't lying all over the internet which no one else appears to be able to find

[janna]

Originally Posted by Cym

And dont you dare use that attitude towards me either, this is not your site and you have no right to tell me what to post Ive backed up my claims straight from the horses mouth, if its not good enough for you then move on instead of looking for an argument !!!

You won't LET anyone move on Cym. You have been hammering at this one issue all afternoon & STILL have produced not one scintilla of proof to back up her claims.
Blondie did not "look for an argument" -----in fact she produced the only vaguely usable link. You,on the other hand are adamant these claims are true ,yet can offer nothing in the way of links---- & it was YOU who brought them into this thread,so the onus is on you to back up your claims. Links please . And "well her mum agreed/didn't disagree" won't wash. Do you think her mum would dare contradict her openly ? The woman can't even say "Stop talking to me like that Katie" when her daughter berates her on TV.

[Cym]

Originally Posted by janna

This in bold ^ . Absolutely. There IS no evidence & her supporters repeating it ad nauseam(oh what an apt phase for Jordanisms) will just not make it true.
The claim was made by a woman renowned for embellishing stories for dramatic affect. In other words telling porkies. Be it for dosh in an interview or to gain sympathy (both in this case). Thus I choose not to believe anything emanating fro her mouth.
I'm still waiting for the proof Cym. If there was a court case or police involved her mother will have a copy of any documentation . Why has she not produced any such documents to back up these outrageous lies which belittle genuine victims ?

Your looking for me to produce her mothers court documentation as proof nows whos the fantasist

[lexi22]

Originally Posted by Blondie X

It's not about whether people believe her or not. I certainly haven't said one way or the other but Cym stated that there was proof that she wasn't lying all over the internet which no one else appears to be able to find

I know, Blondie, I wasn't defending that claim just making a general comment about why I think KP makes things so difficult for herself.

[Cym]

Originally Posted by lexi22

FWIW I see no reason to not believe her either, in that both incidents are documented in her books and, as you say above, confirmed publicly in front of her mum. The problem with KP is that her emotions levels are so screwed up that she can talk about them - even trot them out almost as anecdotes - in the same breath as discussing eg. her new nail range, rendering them unimportant and of no particular consequence or as if they had no lasting impact on her.

And this, I'm afraid, is her fault, not anyone else's, so you can't really blame people for their scepticism and unwillingness to give her the benefit of the doubt. It's just another downside of this 'hard as nails' persona she seems incapable of moving away from.

Yes I agree about the way she is, but stuff like this is way away from all the usual KP ragging and not something that I believe anyone including KP would lie about

[johartuk]

Originally Posted by lexi22

FWIW I see no reason to not believe her either, in that both incidents are documented in her books and, as you say above, confirmed publicly in front of her mum. The problem with KP is that her emotions levels are so screwed up that she can talk about them - even trot them out almost as anecdotes - in the same breath as discussing eg. her new nail range, rendering them unimportant and of no particular consequence or as if they had no lasting impact on her.

And this, I'm afraid, is her fault, not anyone else's, so you can't really blame people for their scepticism and unwillingness to give her the benefit of the doubt. It's just another downside of this 'hard as nails' persona she seems incapable of moving away from.

The other problem is that she has previous form when it comes to embellishment and lies. Therefore it's natural and sensible to treat any claims she makes with caution. Again, she has no-one to blame for this but herself.

[muddipaws]

She has a little article in tonight's DM not looking too clever in a hideous outfit, following a "meeting" at the Mayfair, surely not divorce proceedings already lol

[Blondie X]

Originally Posted by muddipaws

She has a little article in tonight's DM not looking too clever in a hideous outfit, following a "meeting" at the Mayfair, surely not divorce proceedings already lol

I quite like her shoes

[milliejo]

If she has been abused then she clearly needs help and intervention because the way she is behaving is sick. She is using sex to use men and to get richer. People are sick of her and her behaviour, she has lost any good looks she may have had because she has had too much surgery and she is impossible to work with and people don't forget that in the TV business. She is apparently very insecure but she is inflicting huge insecurities on her children too. They have had so many men in their lives playing at being their father, who have then left on top of the divorce and the insecurities that brings, she is thoughtlessly inflicting enormous damage on them.

[janna]

Originally Posted by Cym

Yes I agree about the way she is, but stuff like this is way away from all the usual KP ragging and not something that I believe anyone including KP would lie about

What ? But you are the one who brought it up.
In post no 676 (before you ask),you said
Dad walked out when she was four, and then she was sexually abused twice
So any comments on it result from your initial input.

Anyway ,back on topic.
I agree millie......she is not considering the impact of her personal choices on her children. Just put the bloke in a little love nest & play with him at leisure . Why must she marry them & inflict them on her children ? She is getting freakier by the month.

[Cym]

[quote=janna;63966738]What ? But you are the one who brought it up.
In post no 676 (before you ask),you said
Dad walked out when she was four, and then she was sexually abused twice
So any comments on it result from your initial input.

And.....???

[Mr Dangerous]

I'm betting this marriage will last about 6 months...

I do fear for the children because Jordan isn't very good when it comes to men, having a new man in her life so shortly after ditching the previous guy must be very confusing for the children. I am very surprised Peter Andre hasn't done anything to get full custody of the children. He should try because there is plenty of evidence that Jordan is not fit as a mother.

[janna]

I agree Mr D. The woman has lost it. And I mean lost it.
Lost her marriage,lost her popularity,lost her looks--------lost her mind too by the looks of things. I'd say now is as good a time as any to go for more/sole custody. The evidence of her losing control of her life is all there in glorious colour.

[MrsOrin]

Cym, Katie must be paying you loads.

[janna]

Originally Posted by MrsOrin

Cym, Katie must be paying you loads.

I really shouldn't , but that made me

[Saltydog1955]

Originally Posted by janna

You won't LET anyone move on Cym. You have been hammering at this one issue all afternoon & STILL have produced not one scintilla of proof to back up her claims.
Blondie did not "look for an argument" -----in fact she produced the only vaguely usable link. You,on the other hand are adamant these claims are true ,yet can offer nothing in the way of links---- & it was YOU who brought them into this thread,so the onus is on you to back up your claims. Links please . And "well her mum agreed/didn't disagree" won't wash. Do you think her mum would dare contradict her openly ? The woman can't even say "Stop talking to me like that Katie" when her daughter berates her on TV.

Exactly.

Her mother is on her payroll and has to stay in her good books otherwise if she upsets Katie, she'll probably lose her grandchildren. Their relationship is based on mutual backscratching. Amy looks after Harvey otherwise Katie would have no one to look after him, only a series of nannies, which isn't good for him, and on Katies' side, she gets care for Harvey and possibly pays her Mum buttons, or perhaps bugger all.

Of course she'll never contradict her.

[fredster]

Originally Posted by MrsOrin

Cym, Katie must be paying you loads.

You know, that had crossed my mind too.

[Tissy]

Just thinking whatever happened to goldilocks, meme and Alderton ?