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Old 29-01-2013, 23:21
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I'm surprised she gave up the manuscript so readily.
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Old 29-01-2013, 23:21
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I think they're brother and sister, genetically enchanced.
Could be as both got lack of emotions(?) And it looks like they are being programmed...?
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Old 29-01-2013, 23:22
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Do people actually watch it?

She was seen with grant and was brought in for questioning because of it and he was sent to find out what he could..

And grant was giving what I presume we're the important parts of the manuscript and put them down his jumper..
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Old 29-01-2013, 23:30
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It's just filmed in 2:35-1 like the cinema for some reason
One look should tell you why!

The director makes strong use of horizontal parallel lines and cuts from the wide to the close up - that only works when using "proper" widescreen ratios.

This was definitely the bottom of the stroke in the W shape that defines written drama.

Also, enough health warnings! Anyone watching Utopia after nearly thee episodes is no longer worried about being "shocked"
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Old 29-01-2013, 23:30
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Jessica and Arby Mark Dane/Phillip Corvel children?

That's what I thought, she seems very robotic, although she displays a wider range of emotions than Arby. From what it was shown today it's kind of clear that he's some sort of genetic experimentation and she could be one too.

Becky's interested in the identity of Mr. Rabbit because she either might be seeking revenge for her fahter or the cure for Deels disease. I'm quite sure it is something to do with her father, don't know what it'd be though.
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Old 29-01-2013, 23:39
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Blog's up:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/tv-and-rad...-episode-three
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Old 29-01-2013, 23:41
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I'm not watching it again, it made me feel ill and shakey
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Old 29-01-2013, 23:51
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has someone got spoilers for the rest of the series i could do with them!
You don't think it would be better to wait and see what happens?

OK, you really want to know? Well I have some bad news for you ...
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Old 30-01-2013, 00:30
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He is working for the ministry who are the ones who are supplying him the names and locations of people to kill. I think the ministry have Network people in it.

It is the Network who are covering up everything.
Arby isn't working for The Ministry-their end is the lovely Geoff, Dugdale's boss. Sir Donald Letts is Network-but he isn't in government, as the government bought the Russian Flu vaccine off him. He's..erm...how do you post spoilers on here, I don't want to ruin it for anyone!
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Old 30-01-2013, 01:02
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Jessica and Arby Mark Dane/Phillip Corvel children?

That's what I thought, she seems very robotic, although she displays a wider range of emotions than Arby. From what it was shown today it's kind of clear that he's some sort of genetic experimentation and she could be one too.

Becky's interested in the identity of Mr. Rabbit because she either might be seeking revenge for her fahter or the cure for Deels disease. I'm quite sure it is something to do with her father, don't know what it'd be though.

Agreed that there is a lot in common between Arby and Jessica-not least not knowing their parents and having no childhood, knowing violence from an early age. But Jessica is a bit of the yin to his yang; where he's lolloping clumsy fat oaf, she's precise and graceful-but no less powerful for that.


It's these two characters that interest me the most. I'm pretty chuffed that I called Arby's emotions and childhood as being an issue after episode 2-there was even a massive clue in the first scene of the series that he's a bit odd around children!


The Letts-Arby scene was great. The Venerable Knight of The Realm is certainly making his case for not being "the only bad guy here". We're talking various shades of evil...Geoff is possibly even more reprehensible IMO!


As for Arby: he shows quite an emotional range this week! I now definitely think that the scene in Ep2 where he walks down the grass verge just in time to see a hearse pass was him attending Lee's funeral-it was his best/only "mate", and that's as close as he was probably allowed to get. No wonder he feels like he's not grieving properly...


Are the phrase "Who is Jessica Hyde", and the sweets, a trigger of some kind? In the bathroom scene, there's a definite moment of fear of Jessica from Arby-and it's followed by a lot of moments of recognition between himself and her. He did after all ask Letts "what about Jessica Hyde? Is she like me?". They end up almost like two ants with feelers out-and although she isn't the one with the gun, Jessica is the one in control. Arby clearly hasn't been told to kill Jessica-or if he has, he's gone rogue. At no point did it feel like he could kill her-heck, it's too early to lose one of those two characters anyway!


Arby's sense of emotional vacuum is similar to Jessica trying to find a kindred spirit in Grant-"they're not like us", and the grin on her face after Grant asks her if he'll be "normal after this" is awesome! The Coldplay moment was hilarious, too-she thought they were cool Guess she got her revenge with the mini-Goth makeover


Milner-does anyone trust her? She rang back incredibly quickly; the skinhead bloke was already parked outside the gangs hideout-and probably had been for some time. Kinda implies that she knew they were there already. And she also turns up a bit too conveniently quickly-at the location of her choosing-just in time to be the hero.


Best "gag you only get by watching it twice" this week: when the scientist says to Dugdale regarding whether he can help, "well, only if you have one of the corpses in your pocket". Well, now he does!
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Old 30-01-2013, 01:10
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Oh and Baggy- ye jest, but I'm expecting a Series 2 of "The Hour"-type ending; a slightly open-ended one where they could make a second series, but equally "it's over and you can draw your own conclusions", ahem..word is that getting a second series is dependent on viewing figures. In which case it doesn't look too healthy. Maybe they should cut down on the warnings of violence?

I think I probably hope it goes before it jumps the shark, but on the other hand, I did enjoy Twin Peaks up until the last 4 or 5 eps of series 2..
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Old 30-01-2013, 07:22
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What were the pills Becky was taking in the first episode? Maybe she has deals too. Also when Dugdale was hiding in the mortuary tent, why did the dude in orange take off his face mask/goggles when he got inside? Also was he not worried about contracting the flu or spreading it to the mainland, the people who died there would not have had the vaccine, I thought the scientist needed a sample of the vaccine rather than the flu???

I'm still enjoying it, hope it has a decent ending with not too many unanswered questions.
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Old 30-01-2013, 09:00
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It's just filmed in 2:35-1 like the cinema for some reason
The whole show looks just like a graphic novel brought to life with almost every shot framed like a comicbook panel so Iím sure itís a deliberate decision to film in 2:35 with this in mind.

Add to that the vibrant colours and mostly static slow moving cameras and you could be reading a quality graphic novel.

One of the most beautifully shot series Iíve seen in a long time
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Old 30-01-2013, 10:38
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What were the pills Becky was taking in the first episode? Maybe she has deals too. Also when Dugdale was hiding in the mortuary tent, why did the dude in orange take off his face mask/goggles when he got inside? Also was he not worried about contracting the flu or spreading it to the mainland, the people who died there would not have had the vaccine, I thought the scientist needed a sample of the vaccine rather than the flu???

I'm still enjoying it, hope it has a decent ending with not too many unanswered questions.
i must admit its all feeling to me like the flu outbreak is a covering hoax to be seen with the 'if the lie's big enough...' mindset.....either there's more to come from the Deal's or placebo 'combinations' have as-yet-unexplained effects (in the style that Wilson Wilson would attest haha....)
Another superb episode last night....still loving the whole graphic novel look of it with the colours and the big vistas and the like.....especially the section with Milner explaining the Mr. Rabbit thing as the camera panned upward away from characters to biiiiiig blue sky.

More than anything though, i'm intrigued by Arby's slow development of self-awareness, from his questions about parents and the poignancy of his early memories being horrific (i assume....abattoirs aren't your usual location for a scrummy upbringing lol) to seemingly not knowing what to do when he finds 'Jessica Hyde'....he's gonna turn, i'm sure of it

oh yeah just to add thanks again Gatehouse, another wonderful synopsis/post
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Old 30-01-2013, 10:47
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oh and ps.....is anyone else hoping that 'The Utopia Experiments' gets a print run, the pages i've seen look superb* and i'd like to have it on the shelf lol

*(it struck me as very Arkham Asylum visually....no bad thing hehe)
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Old 30-01-2013, 12:59
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I've lost track a bit - the guy who went and got the finger ? who is he and what's he trying to do ?
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Old 30-01-2013, 13:47
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He is the health ministers secretary and he was trying to get a sample of the vaccine (or infected blood? not clear on that bit) so he could dig up dirt on the people blackmailing him/work out what they are up to.
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Old 30-01-2013, 14:01
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Agreed that there is a lot in common between Arby and Jessica-not least not knowing their parents and having no childhood, knowing violence from an early age. But Jessica is a bit of the yin to his yang; where he's lolloping clumsy fat oaf, she's precise and graceful-but no less powerful for that.


It's these two characters that interest me the most. I'm pretty chuffed that I called Arby's emotions and childhood as being an issue after episode 2-there was even a massive clue in the first scene of the series that he's a bit odd around children!


The Letts-Arby scene was great. The Venerable Knight of The Realm is certainly making his case for not being "the only bad guy here". We're talking various shades of evil...Geoff is possibly even more reprehensible IMO!


As for Arby: he shows quite an emotional range this week! I now definitely think that the scene in Ep2 where he walks down the grass verge just in time to see a hearse pass was him attending Lee's funeral-it was his best/only "mate", and that's as close as he was probably allowed to get. No wonder he feels like he's not grieving properly...


Are the phrase "Who is Jessica Hyde", and the sweets, a trigger of some kind? In the bathroom scene, there's a definite moment of fear of Jessica from Arby-and it's followed by a lot of moments of recognition between himself and her. He did after all ask Letts "what about Jessica Hyde? Is she like me?". They end up almost like two ants with feelers out-and although she isn't the one with the gun, Jessica is the one in control. Arby clearly hasn't been told to kill Jessica-or if he has, he's gone rogue. At no point did it feel like he could kill her-heck, it's too early to lose one of those two characters anyway!


Arby's sense of emotional vacuum is similar to Jessica trying to find a kindred spirit in Grant-"they're not like us", and the grin on her face after Grant asks her if he'll be "normal after this" is awesome! The Coldplay moment was hilarious, too-she thought they were cool Guess she got her revenge with the mini-Goth makeover


Milner-does anyone trust her? She rang back incredibly quickly; the skinhead bloke was already parked outside the gangs hideout-and probably had been for some time. Kinda implies that she knew they were there already. And she also turns up a bit too conveniently quickly-at the location of her choosing-just in time to be the hero.


Best "gag you only get by watching it twice" this week: when the scientist says to Dugdale regarding whether he can help, "well, only if you have one of the corpses in your pocket". Well, now he does!
Christ, here we go again. Are you being told to say all this stuff?

Jessica is precise and graceful? By what standards are you judging her, that of a robot?

I'm pretty chuffed that I called Arby's emotions and childhood as being an issue after episode 2 Surely it ony took seconds to realise that there was something wrong with him?

I now definitely think that the scene in Ep2 where he walks down the grass verge just in time to see a hearse pass was him attending Lee's funeral-it was his best/only "mate", Could that not just have been the funeral of the guy who had just got splattered by a truck? And I know that the timing might not match but whoever produced this isn't playing by normal rules anyway.

The Coldplay moment was hilarious, too No it wasn't it was just a childish dig.

Milner-does anyone trust her? She rang back incredibly quickly; the skinhead bloke was already parked outside the gangs hideout-and probably had been for some time. Kinda implies that she knew they were there already. Surely she rang back quickly because she only had to press 'call back' - the skinhead bloke was probably with the bad guys etc etc.

Best "gag you only get by watching it twice" Not really it was fairly obvious the first time.

I still think that you are reading FAR too much into this series. It seem to me that this is a simple thriller which has concentrated far too much on bringing us style over substance. OK, they have a cameraman with a good eye for photographic scenes and a editor/director who likes colours but that doesn't make up for a very very slow moving story line.

Incidentally, one scene which I did like was where Jessica got down on the bed with Grant, showing that she just wanted to be normal and be someone's mum.
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Old 30-01-2013, 14:29
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Milner-does anyone trust her? She rang back incredibly quickly; the skinhead bloke was already parked outside the gangs hideout-and probably had been for some time. Kinda implies that she knew they were there already. Surely she rang back quickly because she only had to press 'call back' - the skinhead bloke was probably with the bad guys etc etc.
i'm not one to widdle on anyones chips but she did say 'that was a monitored line, this isn't' when she called back, at least implying that there was two different lines.....it could be a lie of course, because that's half of the joy of watching something like this play out.
Oh and as for the skinhead guy, you might wanna define 'the bad guys' for a start coz i'm not sure i've seen a good guy at all yet! (apart from WW and the Misfit dude maybe....)

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Old 30-01-2013, 16:54
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Christ, here we go again. Are you being told to say all this stuff?

Jessica is precise and graceful? By what standards are you judging her, that of a robot?

I'm pretty chuffed that I called Arby's emotions and childhood as being an issue after episode 2 Surely it ony took seconds to realise that there was something wrong with him?

I now definitely think that the scene in Ep2 where he walks down the grass verge just in time to see a hearse pass was him attending Lee's funeral-it was his best/only "mate", Could that not just have been the funeral of the guy who had just got splattered by a truck? And I know that the timing might not match but whoever produced this isn't playing by normal rules anyway.

The Coldplay moment was hilarious, too No it wasn't it was just a childish dig.

Milner-does anyone trust her? She rang back incredibly quickly; the skinhead bloke was already parked outside the gangs hideout-and probably had been for some time. Kinda implies that she knew they were there already. Surely she rang back quickly because she only had to press 'call back' - the skinhead bloke was probably with the bad guys etc etc.

Best "gag you only get by watching it twice" Not really it was fairly obvious the first time.

I still think that you are reading FAR too much into this series. It seem to me that this is a simple thriller which has concentrated far too much on bringing us style over substance. OK, they have a cameraman with a good eye for photographic scenes and a editor/director who likes colours but that doesn't make up for a very very slow moving story line.

Incidentally, one scene which I did like was where Jessica got down on the bed with Grant, showing that she just wanted to be normal and be someone's mum.


Ah, Barrie, Barrie, Barrie...I'm not going to get wound up by what you say; you might be an 11 year old kid for all I know


It's my opinion, that's all. I like it, you don't-yet you are still watching, I notice. Still, a little joust is always fun, so here we go!


Re: Jessica being graceful-yeah, a bit like a robot, actually! In a Bladerunner kinda way. Arby and her have a lot in common-yet a lot of differences, such as their movements.

Re: Arby having something wrong with him-yeah, obviously a guy who can callously murder and torture has "issues"; but I don't think many saw his childhood and an emerging self-questioning to be something quite so important. I did

Re: grass verge/funeral-yeah, that's what I thought at first-as do all the people I've discussed it with. But think about it...why would the publishers funeral procession go along the very road where he was grossly splattered? Doesn't that strike you as a little inappropriate? That's based on people seeing grass verge like the one in the publishers death scene-it might be a different one all together I guess. BUT why would Arby go to the funeral of the publisher? The Network would easily be able to get access to the body to confirm he is dead-they have already taken his widow into custody and there's a CIA agent in her place at her house.
Now consider Arby's comments to Letts about Lee's death, and the look on Arby's face as he staggered down the grass verge; looks like he's trying to feel, and just getting numb. Lee is a major loss to him-probably his biggest "life event" in some time. Enough to make him start questioning his emotions-and motivations-for the first time in his life?

Re: Coldplay-depends on what you think about Coldplay! Jessica hasn't had much in the way of cultural reference points; she thinks she's incredibly savvy in general. Yet Grant is blatantly more coooool than her, he at least realises how naff Coldplay are. At least it was early Coldplay she was playing I guess..."Shiver" would have been better in terms of musical merit, but lacks the ironic-for-the-situation lyrics.

Re: skinhead-well it's already been partly explained about the phone line, but if you are going to go around vaguely calling people baddies then you're missing a lot of the point..


Re: corpse gag-well it makes more sense second time around. I didn't see it coming, congratulations on your fantastic prowess of insight. You must have a much better idea than me what's going on, then!
Anyway, I found it funny.
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Old 30-01-2013, 17:13
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He is the health ministers secretary and he was trying to get a sample of the vaccine (or infected blood? not clear on that bit) so he could dig up dirt on the people blackmailing him/work out what they are up to.

cheers .

so why are they letting hm live ?
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Old 30-01-2013, 17:19
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Oh and as for the skinhead guy, you might wanna define 'the bad guys' for a start coz i'm not sure i've seen a good guy at all yet! (apart from WW and the Misfit dude maybe....)



Can I not interest you in my "Letts as the (sorta) good guy" angle? He might be entirely telling the truth about Carvel, in which case, he's one of the most gruesome characters of all-and why did Carvel draw the line at some point? Eugenics freaks don't tend to mellow out...


Of course, I think Sir Donald has plenty more action to do rather than just talking...I still don't know how to post spoilers, but I think it's pretty obvious what I'm talking about..pm me if you want to know what I mean
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Old 30-01-2013, 17:26
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cheers .

so why are they letting hm live ?
Because he's "useful" as a man entirely under their control in the government department-they have already shown they can manipulate him, they think.

Whilst the government is riddled with Network placemen and MI5 and Police are already under their thumb, they don't entirely have the government under control (witness the previous minister's reluctance to buy the Russian Flu "vaccine"), so he could be handy. He's already achieved his first "Mission" for them.

I think they intend to use him as a patsy in the future. He's either going to meet a very sticky end, or be "a beeping hero".
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Old 30-01-2013, 17:32
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Can I not interest you in my "Letts as the (sorta) good guy" angle? He might be entirely telling the truth about Carvel, in which case, he's one of the most gruesome characters of all-and why did Carvel draw the line at some point? Eugenics freaks don't tend to mellow out...


Of course, I think Sir Donald has plenty more action to do rather than just talking...I still don't know how to post spoilers, but I think it's pretty obvious what I'm talking about..pm me if you want to know what I mean
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Old 30-01-2013, 18:49
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Christ, here we go again. Are you being told to say all this stuff?

Jessica is precise and graceful? By what standards are you judging her, that of a robot?

I'm pretty chuffed that I called Arby's emotions and childhood as being an issue after episode 2 Surely it ony took seconds to realise that there was something wrong with him?

I now definitely think that the scene in Ep2 where he walks down the grass verge just in time to see a hearse pass was him attending Lee's funeral-it was his best/only "mate", Could that not just have been the funeral of the guy who had just got splattered by a truck? And I know that the timing might not match but whoever produced this isn't playing by normal rules anyway.

The Coldplay moment was hilarious, too No it wasn't it was just a childish dig.

Milner-does anyone trust her? She rang back incredibly quickly; the skinhead bloke was already parked outside the gangs hideout-and probably had been for some time. Kinda implies that she knew they were there already. Surely she rang back quickly because she only had to press 'call back' - the skinhead bloke was probably with the bad guys etc etc.

Best "gag you only get by watching it twice" Not really it was fairly obvious the first time.

I still think that you are reading FAR too much into this series. It seem to me that this is a simple thriller which has concentrated far too much on bringing us style over substance. OK, they have a cameraman with a good eye for photographic scenes and a editor/director who likes colours but that doesn't make up for a very very slow moving story line.

Incidentally, one scene which I did like was where Jessica got down on the bed with Grant, showing that she just wanted to be normal and be someone's mum.
But Coldplay are s**t!
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