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Old 08-02-2013, 06:28
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Unless the crisps are cooked in animal fat I very much doubt the GCH1 protein is passed on to Ian and Becky.

Also doesn't Professor Donaldson work testing for an animal food company ( the confessed transport mechanism )?
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Old 08-02-2013, 10:52
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Before Jessica killed The Tramp he told her to contact a woman called Milner who works for MI5
Just watching the second episode now. This kind of thing really annoys me, poor writing.
The Tramp tells her to contact a woman called Milner, yet Jessica doesn't bother to ask the first name before or any other details before killing him.
Similarly the journalist tells the parliamentary aide to "get the vaccine to Donaldson, he's a scientist in Nottingham" and then walks away. Again the aide doesn't ask for Donaldson's first name or contact details, or point out that there could be hundreds of scientists called Donaldson in Nottingham. So unrealistic writing
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Old 08-02-2013, 14:12
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Unless the crisps are cooked in animal fat I very much doubt the GCH1 protein is passed on to Ian and Becky.

Also doesn't Professor Donaldson work testing for an animal food company ( the confessed transport mechanism )?
I think he claims that they test cat food where he works? He's not very convincing about it!
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Old 08-02-2013, 14:31
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[quote=Gatehouse;64098679]
there is a really obvious example of bad continuation, where in the shot looking at Ian, there are two plastic cups on the table and then when the camera cuts to Becky there is only one cup on the table and she has the other in her hand!QUOTE]

It sounds to me like..

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No she hadn't, it was a straight cut! Watch it again please.
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Old 08-02-2013, 14:32
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Okay, fair enough , but why be rude about it? Just say you don't agree with our theories and move on. We create theories out of what we see and hear onscreen, we don't just make it up out of thin air as your original post is suggesting. I honestly couldn't care less if you disagree with me or not - that's not why I called you a troll - it's your forum manners that I am referring to. There's just no need to dismiss posters with mocking remarks as it feels like you're singling posters out and personally I feel unwelcome on a thread when a poster resorts to that behaviour.
For the record, I don't really think you're a troll - I was just joking , but I've noticed you have been a bit rude to posters (Gatehouse in particular) for simply enjoying Utopia. Just let the guy enjoy it and make his theories - myself included. If you don't agree - that's your right, but be a bit grown up about it. That's all I'm saying .

Anyway, I notcied you have similar tastes to me as I'm big fan of Homeland, District 9 and Usual Suspects .
LOL, I know 50 year olds are allowed their own opinions . Damn, I feel kind of bad now for having a go at you . You actually seem like a decent bloke, Barrie.
Fair point. I wasn't aware that I was being rude or acting like a troll, so I'll temper my comments from now on!
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Old 08-02-2013, 19:42
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Is there any confirmation that Jessica "is" Jessica, other than her own announcement? (disregarding TV credits)

Arby (RB) continuing to ask her whereabouts even when confronted with "her"?
oops, just rewatched Ep 2,
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Old 08-02-2013, 20:23
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Becky's Deels is starting to affect her. She dropped the cup of juice. And she has run out of tablets.
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Old 08-02-2013, 21:32
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Has anyone else been thinking Findus is part of the Corvadt conspiracy? Talk about life imitating art!!

Arby told Letts and the Assistant that he would destroy the manuscript if he saw anyone else at the big house. He said it as if it was a threat. Why would that bother those two? You would have thought they wanted it destroyed. But it must mean something to them. They want it back, complete, for some reason.

Arby terrifies Letts.

Assistant told Letts ''We agree you should go to the lab and do the testing.'' . This is about the white box of vaccine. Who's the ''we''? I thought Assistant was Rabbit. But not sure now. Maybe it's someone we haven't seen yet.
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Old 09-02-2013, 10:05
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Has anyone else been thinking Findus is part of the Corvadt conspiracy? Talk about life imitating art!!

Arby told Letts and the Assistant that he would destroy the manuscript if he saw anyone else at the big house. He said it as if it was a threat. Why would that bother those two? You would have thought they wanted it destroyed. But it must mean something to them. They want it back, complete, for some reason.

Arby terrifies Letts.

Assistant told Letts ''We agree you should go to the lab and do the testing.'' . This is about the white box of vaccine. Who's the ''we''? I thought Assistant was Rabbit. But not sure now. Maybe it's someone we haven't seen yet.


It's a confusing time to be a vegetarian...you want to feel smug, but instead feel simply perplexed: horse, cow..what's the difference?!? Isn't it like me discovering that they've fed me peas instead of beans?


Anyway, back on topic..good point with The Tramp. That would probably kill the "Jessica isn't Jessica" idea (not one that I liked). The Tramp even calls her "Jess" at one point, very familiar. I don't think he expects her to do what she does..maybe we've got Jessica going haywire just like Arby? The Tramp was working with Milner-or at least connected to her. Although Jessica argues that he was killed to "pull up the rope", that does potentially put Jessica in an adversarial position to Milner despite what she says about her being someone who can help.


As for Assistant..hee hee, we're really set up to believe that he's Assistant to Letts-partly because that's the view that Dugdale and his Ministry boss have to see in Ep1. But it's looking more and more like Letts isn't Rabbit; but I don't think Assistant is either. He's Assistant to Rabbit, but that's most likely someone we haven't seen. The "we" who decided he'd do the test sound like the people that held the majority vote in a discussion which featured Letts as an insignificant minority. Exactly the same as "we agreed that only you can give the order"-and chucks him the phone-with the school shooting. Letts looks very unhappy-he's looking like a very manipulated front-man. In which case we could see a situation where he works with the gang.

There's a little part of the scene with Dugdale in Ep 1 where he hints that he himself is another manipulated cog. "Everyman has a mission in life, Dugdale...you should make this yours". He's a bit weary in his delivery-rather than that entirely being for Dugdale's benefit, in a "look, you have to do this" menacing way, maybe it hints at him having done the very same thing when younger. And look at him now-head of a company with a Knighthood, not bad at all. Maybe, as Geoff did to Dugdale, someone once made a young Letts an offer to "make his life absolutely wonderful"?


At the very least I think that Letts & Assistant represent the middle of a hierarchy that goes up higher than them. Which is another theory that could all get entirely blown out of the water in Ep5 Scene 1 if Grant is going to the door because he's remembered Letts' name from the manuscript..



OK I've hedged my bets, I've got my "Letts is Rabbit" and my "Letts isn't Rabbit" theories sorted now


Now the "joker" theory: Letts is Rabbit, but isn't that bad guy he's been made out to be: he now wants out, just like Carvel did? Not entirely impossible! When he tells Arby what was done to him he seems genuinely upset, despite the fact that "he was there" according to Arby. Yet Arby doesn't kill Letts...seems Letts is the only person that has ever shown Arby some compassion."They called you Raisin Boy, when they forgot your name"-but Letts always remembered it. It could be his moment to draw a line in the sand. You never know!
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Old 09-02-2013, 10:16
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What evidence is there that Utopia was originally commissioned by Sky? I love a conspiracy theory, but even I can't quite believe that one ...
Credits have BSkyB for 'Development finance'.

CV of Hannah Billingham

Other clients include: Sky 1 Drama (including research on original conspiracy thriller series, that was subsequently picked up by Channel 4, became UTOPIA and will be airing from 15th January);
http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/hannah-billingham/27/66a/43a
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Old 09-02-2013, 10:27
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love how people are spennding so much time analyzing this show, as if it has been intricately plotted out. It was obvious from ep 1 and 2 that this show made little sense logically, and es full of improbable events. there's no need to deeply analyze how x is connected to y and how that relates to z, because the writers have not properly thought it out themselves. it is just a stylishly made, quirky mystery. In terms of plot logic, you will find more in an average episode of The Bill.

I garantee at the end of this every single person will be saying 'hang on, that doesn't make sense because....'
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Old 09-02-2013, 11:59
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love how people are spennding so much time analyzing this show, as if it has been intricately plotted out. It was obvious from ep 1 and 2 that this show made little sense logically, and es full of improbable events. there's no need to deeply analyze how x is connected to y and how that relates to z, because the writers have not properly thought it out themselves. it is just a stylishly made, quirky mystery. In terms of plot logic, you will find more in an average episode of The Bill.

I garantee at the end of this every single person will be saying 'hang on, that doesn't make sense because....'
That is the point that I was trying to make previously but I was accused of being a troll!
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Old 09-02-2013, 14:16
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For example, I keep reading people talk about Dugdale being the hero, the every-man who has been wronged and victimised. But look at his behaviour: he's been sleeping with a prostitute behind his wife's back whilst they are having IVF treatment ("No wanking in there, mucky little puppy, IVF clinic on Friday!"..well, he's been doing a lot worse than that!). Then look at his general behaviour-he lies and bluffs constantly, not always with "just" cause. He costs his boss his job. His first scene is an abortive suicide attempt by a man who hates what he's become. He only helps others (the journo, Donaldson...Geoff ) to help himself or when he has nowhere else to turn. He's prepared to risk his wife getting brutally raped. Not exactly your every-man hero, is he?!? Again, he's a complicated, conflicted character who is at a totally skewed perspective from everything going on around him. He's not even sure why he's doing what he's doing any more..Ultimately, I think his hitting of rock-bottom as a man has allowed him to effectively sacrifice what's left of his broken self to try and regain some kind of moral redemption. That's good enough for us to root for him in a questing, comic-book way.
I had wondered if Dugdale was only concerned about getting exposed, and didn't really care about his Russian prostitute. Now we've seen him risk everything to get the prostitute released. Of course, that may be because she's pregnant, which is something his wife can't manage. It may be his child he really cares about.

I was a bit saddened that he turned out to be not much better than the Donaldson. Both had the means to expose the conspiracy. Neither did so. They both instead wanted to blackmail the conspirators: Donaldson to regain his position, Dugdale to rescue his girlfriend. Still, at least Dugdale isn't entirely selfish. And he has been pro-active, travelling to Scotland and risking infection. He also managed to trick the conspiracy. I think he thought his wife was safe from rape because he over-estimated the strength of his hand.

Oh, and Grant is a suspiciously talented artist. Something a little more child-like would have been more plausible, and still allowed them to keep the plot device of him being able to recreate the pages of the manuscript from memory.
I didn't think he was recreating pages of the manuscript from memory. Jessica tore pages out and gave them to him before handing the manuscript to Arby (and Letts & co mentioned the pages missing, so it was the original not copies that were torn out). I thought when Wilson caught Grant with them, he just assumed they were copies.

Yes, Jessica is one bloody creepy woman . I felt sorry for Ian, having a gun held to his head, then forced to kiss that robot woman . What the hell was going through her head?
It seemed to me that Becky was also manipulating Ian, and going much further than a kiss. It might just be the sort of woman she is, but she jumped into bed with him the first night they met, despite knowing him to be a bit weird. And then again later. It's possible Jessica was trying to upset that dynamic.

It's a confusing time to be a vegetarian...you want to feel smug, but instead feel simply perplexed: horse, cow..what's the difference?!? Isn't it like me discovering that they've fed me peas instead of beans?
It's partly because beef is more expensive than horse-meat, so people feel they've been cheated. There's also a health issue (despite the PM denying it). If they don't know what sort of meat it is, and they don't really know where it came from, they don't know whether it is fit for human consumption.
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Old 09-02-2013, 14:27
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Have they said how Dugdale can be sure that the prostitute's baby is his?
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Old 09-02-2013, 23:35
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How did he find Alice?
And how did Dugdale find Donaldson?
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Old 09-02-2013, 23:46
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Credits have BSkyB for 'Development finance'.
Funnily enough, I just spotted that on the end credits ... but I still find it extremely weird that Sky have been credited in that way. After all, was LWT credited for developing the short-lived BBC One drama Mayo? No. Was ITV credited for having developed and even broadcast Men Behaving Badly before the BBC picked it up? No. And is the BBC credited for having developed and produced This Is Jinsy before Sky Atlantic revived it? Not to my knowledge.

This seems a bizarre precedent - and, given that relations between Sky and C4 aren't known to be that good, it's hard to understand why the channel would agree to it. And, after all, if Sky believed in it, why didn't they go ahead to a full series, rather than drop it? It's not like they can't afford it ...
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Old 10-02-2013, 00:32
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Funnily enough, I just spotted that on the end credits ... but I still find it extremely weird that Sky have been credited in that way. After all, was LWT credited for developing the short-lived BBC One drama Mayo? No. Was ITV credited for having developed and even broadcast Men Behaving Badly before the BBC picked it up? No. And is the BBC credited for having developed and produced This Is Jinsy before Sky Atlantic revived it? Not to my knowledge.

This seems a bizarre precedent - and, given that relations between Sky and C4 aren't known to be that good, it's hard to understand why the channel would agree to it. And, after all, if Sky believed in it, why didn't they go ahead to a full series, rather than drop it? It's not like they can't afford it ...
It's not a precedent at all, there are any number of films/dramas etc that are financed by Sky or Channel 4 which appear all over the different networks. Just take a closer look at the end credits sometimes.
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Old 10-02-2013, 17:55
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And how did Dugdale find Donaldson?
If you go into any library there's a directory of professionals that will give you their contact details. That or simply googling them usually does it!
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Old 10-02-2013, 18:03
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How did he find Alice?
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Old 10-02-2013, 18:05
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If you go into any library there's a directory of professionals that will give you their contact details. That or simply googling them usually does it!
Can't be that many Proffs in Sheffield? The DoH would have info on them.

OR

Dugdale chased after the reporter in the newsroom and then it cut to Becky in the bath. So I assume we didn't see all of the conversation between Dugdale and Kaye.
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Old 10-02-2013, 18:10
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It's not a precedent at all, there are any number of films/dramas etc that are financed by Sky or Channel 4 which appear all over the different networks. Just take a closer look at the end credits sometimes.
The French Canal+ drama Spiral gives a credit to BBC4 at the end of each ep. ''En association avec BBC Four'' to be precise. BBC has been part funding this drama since 2008.
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Old 11-02-2013, 23:04
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Fair point. I wasn't aware that I was being rude or acting like a troll, so I'll temper my comments from now on!
Haha, no problem. Glad we've come to an understanding . Let's start again.

So what are your own theories about the show? Probably a bit less creative than mine and Gatehouse's theories .
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Old 11-02-2013, 23:07
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Looking forward to tomorrow's episode. Hopefully, we will find out a bit more about the Network's endgame and get some answers to some of the other mysteries.
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Old 11-02-2013, 23:20
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Looking forward to tomorrow's episode. Hopefully, we will find out a bit more about the Network's endgame and get some answers to some of the other mysteries.
Well I couldn't wait! I can now enjoy re-watching Ep4 tomorrow before Ep5 knowing the few bits that I've picked up from here-WARNING, BIG SPOILER ALERT! : http://www.channel4.com/programmes/u...-interrogation


Love it, another preformance to entrench the guy as one of my favourite actors
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Old 11-02-2013, 23:33
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So to summarise, from that we learn:

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