I really don't want this to be another Speidi Vs Rylan thread - but can you explain what you mean about the BIB?

In my eyes, both Rylan and Speidi have been handed airtime opportunities on a plate by BB. Both of them have received more than their fair share of task involvement, and general air time. At the expense of us seeing the other HMs and being able to form an opinion - that has ruined the series for me.

I think I've said a few times now. Its one thing being given a task that makes you look good to both your hms and the public, and it's a totally different thing to be given a task that puts you in a bad light with everyone. Its all very well having equal airtime, but when that airtime is negative then its not deemed as fair.

It would have been very hard for speidi to turn around all those negative comments aimed at them when they were in the basement into some kind of positive, especially when they heard all the nasty comments aimed at them.

And I think people have forgotten that just before they went into the basement, they had just been saved by the public and were feeling quite positive, both about the British public and their hms. And then they heard all the comments about them..

Rylan hasn't had to do any task that made him look bad, other than the very first one, which could be explained away by saying he didn't know any of the hms at the time he made his decisions along with Frankie

I totally disagree.

Any housemate can make what they want of a task.

Rylan and Frankie fully expected *all* the HMs they put in the basement to resent them for it. And of course that is precisely what BB wanted. Yet all the HMs bar Speidi took in good humour - if any of them had kicked up a hissy fit and refused to see Frankie or held a grudge about something BB had incited, a la Speidi, they'd have garnered some bad reactions on here too.

Speidi have made themselves the 'baddies' - and even Spencer has admitted that he aims to fill this role - so I really don't get your point

At any point, a HM can play fair, be nice, be polite, take it on the chin, talk straight etc - in any situation there is a way to act that will simply earn brownie points - even if BB gives you a 'negative' task - like sending people to the basement.

Rylan's behaviour just comes across as nice, genuine, *decent* - Speidi's doesn't. To me and many others at least.

You could have swapped the tasks and the result would be exactly the same in my opinion - they all are who they are.

It's definitely a contender for the worst. I couldn't get into the first series on C5 even though I did try. However, I think this one has crossed a line for me with how much manipulation and meddling is going on. I know it's always gone on, but never just based on two housemates the whole series.

I totally agree, I thought it would be a good series with the all basement task and the very beginning (they didn't waste any time) but they would have had more twists with that. I don't know if its the HM's this year or the editing. Rylan and Speidi are the only one who gets tasks to do they are always called to the diary room, I don't think the others stood a chance.

I'm just sick of the biased editing this year, it is SO blatant.

You really don't get my point? Or you just don't agree with my point? there's a difference!! because I think my point is pretty clear..

Most people, regardless of who they support can see that rylan has had more task than the rest of the hms, even that of the "super fan ". The excuse that some rylan supporters have made is "the others wouldn't have been as good as rylan in carrying out the task ",I think that is a load of rubbish, but just say that was true, so what was bb's reason for getting rylan to be the "super fan "are we to assume that the others were incapable of typing as good as rylan?

You can disagree as much as you want but the facts are there for all unbiased watchers to see for themselves.

And as for rylan being "decent "well thats a matter of opinion. Personally I think he's an insecure, egotistical, wannabe, who loves the f word a little to much for my liking.

I just hope that when channel five crown him their choreographed bb champion on Friday, that they keep him on channel five, as its a channel that I never watch other than when bb is on, so that when they bring out the endless rylan spinoffs I don't need to know about them.

Great post. Especially love your last paragraph

They do.

Its on the top line of the BB bingo cliches card for every forum

Re the BIB - the first sentence in my post was 'I disagree' - not clear enough?

All of this is a 'matter of opinion' - seems you think your opinion however is 'clear' and therefore fact, where as an opinion that you don't agree with is (you intimate) 'unclear' and somehow untrue

I'll repeat incase my previous 2 or 3 posts were unclear to you. Speidi *and* Rylan have had more than their fair share of tasks (I've not done a scientific study, but I think that's been acknowledged by most reasonable posters no matter who they support). And in answer to the OP - *that* has ruined the show for me, combined with the very involvement of Speidi.

As for my latter point, well it is only *my* opinion. You like Speidi - I don't. I like Rylan - you don't. Problem with that?

Posters make themselves sound unreasonable when they have a favourite and blindly defend them to the point of denying rather factual things. Do you deny that Speidi have had as much airtime and tasks as Rylan?

I've at no point said Rylan is better than the HMs at tasks - many FMs have though, I grant you. I don't think he or Speidi are better at tasks - they just got a more than fair crack it and as a result we never got to know the HMs. Poor show for me.

So in my eyes Speidi got as much of a chance as Rylan, and *in my opinion*, chose to behave in such a way that they've made themselves unpopular. Even if the tasks has been swapped, I still think Rylan and Speidi would have come across as they have done, and have the same supporters.

You're not an 'unbiased viewer' as you might like to believe - and you'd do yourself more credit by realising that. Your failure to read my previous posts and asking me things that I already made clear in your rush to explain why you don't like Rylan shows that.

Without Speidi I agree. They've just about made it watchable. The second they leave I stop watching.

Agree

Entertain, you call constant moaning and bitching emtertaining This show is a joke, not one other hm has come near getting the airtime that these 3 have. They should have just had the Speidi & Rylan BB and leave it at that.

if it wasnt for speidi it be the worst dullest series so far,

But because of them two its been one of the best.....

Congrats to the british public for not being dumb and voting out the best housemates.

They are finally learning. Keep the ones being vocal in, kick out the background extras.......

Claire, frankie, trisha please goooooooo........

Couldn't disagree more and the only reason the others are being considered (by you) as being background extras is because of the manipulation of the producers in forcing the horrible Speidi and irritating Rylan down our necks. No viewer has had the opportunity to consider what type of personalites the other housemates have as we have seen NOTHING of them.

Thats because the rest are so tedious. I'm not gutted we missed out on all of Gillian, Tricia and Claire's chats. How dull would that of been ?

For me so far this series would rate..

1)CBB9
2)CBB4
3)CBB10
4)CBB3
5)CBB11
6)CBB7
7)CBB5
8)CBB6
9)CBB8
10)CBB1
11)CBB2

Obviously in a big forum, there will be a few people with different opinions - but you can't seriously believe there was just as much complaining in the past two years. Only a few trolls claimed CBB9 was a bad series

You see, this keeps getting explained, and Rylan fans keep putting their fingers in their ears and chanting 'la, la, la, la.......'

In every case other than Heidi and Spencer, Frankie and Rylan HAD to pick one of the other people to go into the basement. In the case of Heidi and Spencer, they could have picked neither and put themselves in there. They made the selfish choice and (as per the script) set up the US/rest of the house conflict.

It kind of frightens me that ANYONE could deny the almost embarrassing manipulation that centres on Rylan (YAY) - Speidi (BOO). I'd hope my 11 year old, who I wouldn't allow to watch BB, would see through it after one episode.

Taking Speidi and Rylan out of the equation for a moment, it is the Producers who are to blame for making this one of the worst CBB's because of the way they have manipulated and interfered from the off. The series would have been more enjoyable had they let things take its' natural course with proper tasks and not tasks that deliberately set housemates against each other.

But you can't say they are dull when they haven't been shown. Even if one is biased toward a certain housmate (which most of us are) in all honesty you cannot say that any other hm has had the same airtime as Speidi and Rylan.

They did kinda make the 'selfish' choice, yep. I don't think Frankie wanted to, to be honest - I think it was driven by Rylan because he was so annoyed that Speidi referred to them all as 'weirdos' in the VT.

Would it not be fair to say that side of the argument has also been put forward (funny - you omitted that part), and Speidi fans put their fingers in their ears and do this 'LA LA LA' thing you've mentioned?

Rylan, like him or not, has grown up experiencing a lot of prejudice and bullying for a lot of reasons - and I totally understand why hearing Speidi say that made him think 'Blow you then! Go to the basement!'. And he made no bones about why he was doing it. Would I have done it - probably not. But I totally see why he did, and can't see any reason to hold it against him. I mean let's face it - the basement itsn't *actually* a damp, rat-infested, real basement - it's a TV set Speidi opted to be in just a few days later with just a flag and popcorn embellishment

I imagine if your 11 year old was posed with the' tit-for-tat who started it' problem, they would probably identify that Speidi did throw the first stone with their weirdo comment

Are you going to 'LA LA LA' in response to that?

To be honest for me personally, that's all a non-issue when it comes to the bigger picture. Though that's how it happened and could be seen as a trigger, it never meant that Rylan or Speidi were immediately cast irrevocably as the goody or baddy - it's the behaviours that have followed and persisted that formed and continue to reinforce people's opinions.

Totally agree.

Ditto,the only ones that amuse me at times,the rest are dross especially Rylan.

I enjoy reading the live discussion thread more than the programme most of the time!