excuse me, i havent been watching bbpanto.
but i saw it last night. the repeat and the live bit.

the live was dull, clearly time delayed 10 minutes and largely hissed out so only swear words were left in.

but i saw a bit at the end of what appeared a catch up show of some dance guy shouting at marco for making "gays look bad"


was this the result of e4 saying "do something to get the ratings up"
or is this guy trying to make a name for himself?

either way, is that entertainment because it looked so false and set up. as if the guy would drag people who had been drinking out of the spa, still wet, to see them dance because he was going in 10 minutes? it just stank of being poor tv.

I take it that you have never seen a real drama queen in action and in full flow.

You and the rest of the unwanted one's fan club are seeing a bona fide drama queen put the baldhead drama queen wannabe in his place. The instructor was mad at the unwanted one for having the guts to think he was important, a star and knew more about panto than the instructor.

I imagine it's because Marco is gay.. the instructor is gay, and the instructor probably suspected that Marco was playing up because of this. And I wouldn't put it past Marco.

It was quite funny actually.. almost.. almost.. made me keep watching, but no, it was far too tempting to turn over.

But I guess you can see why people like Victor and Jason got so angry with Marco.. he seems to get stinking drunk on wine and then feel he can do anything he wants because hes whatever he is.

i thought the marco v that guy fight was really funny!
i did think it was a bit rude of him to say marco gave gays a bad name tho!

However to be fair to Marco he did explain many times that he was far to drunk to be doing a serious run through of the dance steps. It was sprung on the lodge at the last minute, however acting the way he did was a bit ott.

I felt sorry for him when the instructor sauid he was giving gays a bad name that was quite a low insult, he needs to take a good look at himself before he starts calling others for giving gays a bad name.
When you compare characters like Dan and Marco to the dance teacher to me him and Marco are very alike and maybe it was just a personality clash.

There was no call for what happened.

As for Victor i think the reason that he went off at marco was because of the situation/playing to the cameras (Victor not Marco) and causing drama would help him stay in the house.

Marco has said on this forum that he and Victor infact get along.

As for the instructor saying the unwanted one gives gays a bad name, he was merely articulating the thoughts of many viewers on several BB forums., and he has clearly watched sealboy over several weeks in BB.

Have you ever seen any gay as camp as this one? He makes everyone sick of his antics and he is a sodden drunk - he has no control once the free booze kicks in. A law student who hides behind little girls in order to escape from the justified reactions of the victims of his own provocation, he absolutely has no backbone of any description.

Brian dowling was far more camp than marco and i dont see why being "camp" means your giving gays a bad name
i dont think its fair to say he has no backbone , he stuck up himself quite well against the guy and he does a really good job of defending himself on here too.

I don't think Marco gives gays a bad name. He is extremely camp, yes, and an annoying person, but his being gay was never an issue in the house and I don't think anyone judges gay people by his standards.

Dan with his nonsense about "I only do it with straight guys" was far more damaging, and this obviously came from a great sense of low esteem about his own gayness which was rather sad for someone outwardly so confident. His overall sense of self-denial, loneliness and his determination that he would never find love was remiscent of the sad type of gay man of yesteryear, Kenneth Williams, Quentin Crisp etc.

The real damage was done by the loathsome Brian Dowling, the model for Little Britain's "I'm the only gay in this village". A selfish, ignorant, camp little twat; Graham Norton without the charm or the jokes, living up to the stereotype of the sexless, noisy little poof at school.

My favourite gay was Ray, with his gorgeous skin, and his six pack, and his lean hard body, his sexy eyes and that brilliant, friendly smile of his. Oh, wait a minute, he was straight wasn't he? That figures.

How his parents missed the obvious and only "knew" of his gayhood just before entering the BB house still amuses me. The campest camp gay in the whole wide world and no one knew?

A born LGB before lipgloss was invented, and mama and papa were too busy to see and know that something is not quite Sabba here?

Sealboy deliberately and consciously annoys, provokes and pisses off selected people around him with his seal claps and various antics.

Once the bait is taken, as with Jason, he runs off behind the first girl he finds, even if it happens to be a 10 year old. This pattern of juvenile behaviour is repeated all the time, particularly with free booze around.

Can that sort of behaviour and mentality be classed as responsible, or having a backbone or even a hint of one?

When will this aspiring lawyer learn?

Didnt see him running away from that trainer bloke, Marco stood his ground and gave back as good as he got. That trainer was obnoxious and a total d^&k-head.

It's all Panto, dahlings!

so what you are saying is that was for real, and not actually the shows producers saying "this is dying on its feet, look go film someone arguing, tell you what, pointlessly get the folks in the spa out and dancing and tell the drama queen to ham up some argument for a pointless reason" people we need drama and the viewer is thick

Sorry JJ. Can't let this one pass without comment. Dan never said that he only goes with straight men. He said that he could get them and, in the run up to BB that was all he had been able to get.

Was is it with the gays and RTV? serious question.

No one needs the excuse of a ratings crave to have a go at the seal boy. He annoys virtually everyone and anyone, gay and/or straight and gets drunk quite easily.

The argument with the instructor, a working professional, was not pointless. Seal boy was being unprofessional when he is being paid to do a job, not to get drunk and this was pointed out to him. Not only would he not stop talking back at the instructor, his OTT drama queen schtick was lost on the instructor who lost no time in telling him off.

Wearing bath robes from being in the spa did nothing to prevent the HMs from getting on learning their lines or practising their dance routines. They are not there being paid to be in the spa, and they don't have to use the spa at all.

BB5

The campest camp gay in Britain Seal boy,
Gay straight-men-shagging-only Dan
Transsexual Nadia
Lesbian/bisexual Becki
Butch lesbian Kitten
Bisexual Emma
Bisexual/Bicurious Michelle
Bicurious Vanessa?

Surely not representative of the general GBP.
Last edited by Iknowicould : 29-12-2004 at 19:37

I meant the ones that watch every variant of RTV

Oh, now surely - unless he was completely misquoted continually - he said "I only sleep with straight men"?

Now, the whole point about a man who sleeps with other men NOT being straight (call it bi or bi-curious or whatever, but not straight) aside, I'm sure he said and meant that he only liked straight men and he only slept with straight men - at the rate of one a week for seven years.

Whatever, he was completely deluding himself - the guys may have been in the closet, in denial, or very straight acting (like me! ) but they were NOT straight, and Dan is old enough not to be deceiving himself like that.

But surely he did say "I only sleep with straight men?"

Personally, I think it was a reaction to seeing Marco (honestly!). He was just making an excuse so that no one would ever try to match make for them.

Unfortunately none of the gay men on BB have been at all attractive - Brian, Josh, Marco, Dan or Jason (ha ha) - so it looks like it will be a while before the GBP are shocked by some man on man action.

Since when did the gay community become so choosy? It seems as soon as they get into the media they turn into the most pompous and pontificating so and so's i've ever seen.. They really do give gays a bad name.

the only person Marco gives a bad name to (if anyone) is himself.

What has being gay got to do with anything? That comment was way below the mark.

There are obnoxious people gay and straight.

BTW I actually quite like Marco.

If memory serves me correctly what he actually said was "I can get anyone to sleep with me." He also stated that he likes a challenge.

Graham Norton has slept with a woman. Doesn't make him straight, does it? Bi-curious is just what it says on the tin. With the emphasis on the 'curious'.

It seems to me that far from being shocked, the straight BB viewers are, in the main rather open minded. More people seemed to want the Jay/Dan thing to happen than the Jay/Vanessa thing. The only people who appear to have a big problem with Dan's sex life appear to be other gay men who seem to regard him as the 'wrong' sort of gay. On the whole, it appeared that he was well liked by straight viewers.

No, the only person with a problem with Dan's sex life is him. He's not the "wrong" sort of gay, he's just another camp guy who fits a particular stereotype often seen on TV, and who is deluding himself about his sexual partners. He's a bit old for that, and ought to drop all that nonsense and look for love like the rest of us. For all his talk, he was actually very defensive about his private life, and his little speech to Jason about never finding love was rather sad.

This is more to do with Dan the person than Dan the gay. These days, most gay guys live perfectly normal lives, falling in and out of love like anyone else, and don't have all these hang ups. He's only 30, but his attitudes come straight from the Derek Jarmen era.

That's, oddly enough, why Marco didn't really have any impact as a "gay" man - he was just Marco, a very annoying person who happened to be gay, and in that respect he was actually far more normal than Dan.

What do you think, Trashcan? You're straight. Do you think you could have sex with another guy and still be classed as straight?

Do you mind if I ask how old you are JJ? I'm only asking because at the moment I'm assuming that you're only in your twenties. I'm a straight, married woman and I'm older than Dan (who, incidentally, I like not as a gay man, just as a person). I was single at 30 having had my heart broken on more than one occasion and carried the emotional scars and baggage that goes along with that. I was determined that I was NEVER going to let it happen again. I had my career and owned my own property and did my own thing. Had good friends, a great social life and loving family. I was happy with that. I was in control.

Do you see where I'm going with this JJ?