I have no idea.

what a load of cak.
what proffessional is going to then suddenly without any warning get a load of people out of a spa, who had been drinking to go through a dance within the next 10 minutes because he is going home. unless it was purely for the cameras to stir up some made for tv bull? it was stupid.
it was clearly preplanned by the bb people to make some "talking point" the programme clearly needs. but that makes it fake not reality fly on wall. you dont push people into a preplanned situation and then say "oh its all random" so its not "reality".
you may as well just use actors and a script if you are going to plan it all and film them doing what you expected they would do if you pushed them in a way to get the result.

If you had sex with a woman out of curiosity would it make you straight?

I have no desire to, but social norms point me that way, so I could go through the mechanics of it. But for a man to get off with another man, the social norms are against it, so there must be a real desire there, and a pointer t the real sexual orientation. In other words, I could have sex with a woman but I don't fancy women - it's who you fancy, not what you do, which makes you what you are. For most straight men the taboo is so strong they wouldn't even want ot try it - but there are millions of bi and bi-curious guys who call themselves straight, and that's obviously who Dan refers to as "straight". If they were really straight, they would not do it, even out of curiosity, because that's what guys are like.

Given that, I'm not going to argue with you Electra because you actually make a very valid point, and at the end of the day we are all different, and everyone, including Dan, has the right to live the life they want to and see things the way they want to see them. I often fall into the trap of seeing things in black and white, when in fact they exist in shades of grey, and I really shouldn't label people when I don't like being labelled myself. I suppose it comes back to people who go on TV setting themselves up to be judged by the rest of us - and we can't resist judging them, for whatever reason. Dan was above all a nice person. He perhaps painted himself into corners with what he said, but I wouldn't have minded spending time in the house with him if I had to.

I've fallen into the trap of judging someone on their representation of gay men as if it somehow reflects on me, when it doesn't. But there aren't many in the public eye, so we tend to get over sensitive. Trashcan was right actually, we do pontificate - and I apologise for that.

I found Dan to be a reasonable bloke and I think if you check the threads he was probably the least criticised hm of BB5

JJ. Please consider this post a hug . What a lovely man you are. It takes a real man to stop and actually consider another point of view. A sad rarity around these parts.

The point I was trying to make earlier is that Dan's promiscuity has nothing to do with him being gay. It's his way of avoiding hurt. I think he feels too much rather than too little. He did say 'never say never' though. As did I. And now I'm so glad that I did. It took 'one helluva guy' though.

He's a lovely lovely man this festive period - Hugs all round

i agree! I hate it the way people get sterotyped just coz of there sex,nationality, race, gender or the fact that they are gay!
Like marco has already said , he didnt go on the show to represent all gays, he came on to represent himself who just happens to be gay!

Thanks for that - what you wrote really did make me stop and think (not something I'm famous for) about the way I personally take offence at something which has virtually nothing directly to do with me.

I think you're bang on with your last bit about Dan - it's not about being gay, it's about opening up yourself to getting hurt, and for all his bravado about promiscuity it's a shame that there's a real vulnerability underneath which he doesn't feel brave enough to expose. He probably would think it a sign of weakness. But we all get our hearts broken at some time along the way, that's part of the journey, that's how we become more rounded people and come out the stronger for it. You're right, it's not a gay thing at all, it's just the way some people are, but "never say never" is certainly the right attitude to take.

I can't say many good thngs about a man who can, on cue, lick another man's arse, as he did Jason's. In my mind, I will always hold this repulsive image against him.

He is an arrogant pompous arse for good measure.

Now be fair - he didn't actually make contact with it: there was a two inch layer of orangey fake tan separating them.

I've just seen the incident that the title of this thread refers to. The dance instructer was right to have a go at Marco. Marco's being paid to participate in a panto but he seems to be treating the whole thing as a paid holiday

I don't know if anyone else picked up on this but in the first week when Dan and Jason were "good buddies" they were training outside wearing matching outfits. That made me laugh (rubbish sense of humour that I've got!)

The whole "affair" was very much like a bit from "Midnight Express". I was just waiting for them to finally kiss in a steamy shower.

I can't remember but did either of them rub the other one down in the shower? I could be imaging it

I dont think it was a shower rub down, but in the treat room with fake tan or moisteuriser?

Dan was like a love-sick rent boy following Jason around and ready to do anything at Jason's bidding. Jason clearly enjoyed the attention until he had no choice but to confess his straightness to Dan. I am sure Dan, Mr-I-only-sleep-with-straight-men is still feeling the heartache and disappointment.

Jason played Dan for quite a while. Remember the scene when Jason turned to Vanessa and told her that she was his favourite girl and then quick as a flash turned to Dan and said that he was his favourite boy.
Dan's reaction on fight night was telling too. Jason said he was leaving the next day and you could see it in Dan's face that he was gutted

but they were in the spa (for some reason, could it be suggested by bb? with drink) and then the dance guy calls them all in cos he is going in 10 minutes and suddenly wants to see them all again (could it be suggested by bb?)

AND ITS STANK OF A FAKE ARGUMENT!