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The Ratings Thread (Part 45)
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SamuelW
23-01-2013
Thank you dancc. I thought Eastenders had less than that though? Something like 6.5million.
Dancc
23-01-2013
Originally Posted by SamuelW:
“Thank you dancc. I thought Eastenders had less than that though? Something like 6.5million.”

Apologies - fixed.
nick202
23-01-2013
4.19 is fantastic for The BakeOff - thoroughly well-deserved though as it was hugely entertaining.
Joe40
23-01-2013
Change of programme...
BBC Two, Friday, 8.15am - Aussie Open semi-final. Andy Murray vs Roger Federer.
RyanM93
23-01-2013
Pretty low rating for Eastenders. Emmerdales hour long episode last night hurt EE pretty bad. EE was down 2m (exc bbc3) on last tuesdays episode.
steptastic1987
23-01-2013
How well do you all think Hollyoaks will do tonight? I've watched the First Look on E4 tonight, and I think it could break 750,000 again.
C14E
23-01-2013
Good run for Big Brother, for the first time I have started to dip back in to watch it since the channel move. Personally I'd have rathered it took a break but it has clearly paid off for C5 and Endemol, especially with the celebrity series.

The disappointment remains what they do around it. Too many one off docs which aren't really capturing enough of the BB audience anyway let alone giving them reason to think of Channel 5 when BB finishes.

Originally Posted by steptastic1987:
“Thank you. What I'm wondering is how Channel 4 can make a profit on that kind of budget, with falling viewing figures and a staffing level quadruple that of Channel 5.”

One thing to remember with C4 is that they have by far the best audience profile of the terrestrial channels. Very young and upmarket. It's still not enough of course - with too many shows failing to deliver on any measure. I'd imagine the staffing would be brought down dramatically under private ownership.
Joe40
23-01-2013
Could be a long night at the NTA's if people stick with it. Ropey sound, bad directing, and we've had 1 award in 20 minutes.
NeilVW
23-01-2013
Originally Posted by Dancc:
“Not sure it is profitable.

See here: http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012...al-loss-decade”

Quote:
“Across all adults in 2011 Channel 4 saw a 3% year-on-year fall in commercial impacts.

By contrast across the total commercial TV market, including rivals such as Sky, ITV and Channel 5, commercial impacts among all adults rose by 3% year-on-year in 2011.”

That article was published exactly 52 weeks ago, so perhaps we'll get an indication of their 2012 financial performance very soon. I don't have access to commercial impacts, but overall ratings will serve as a reasonable approximation.

Channel 4 Total - performance in 2012
Live + VOSDAL, calendar year

Spoiler
All individuals (all-day, 06:00-26:00): 6.38% (2011: 6.69%)
All individuals (primetime, 19:00-23:00): 6.55% (2011: 6.79%)

This is a 5% fall in share across the day and a 4% fall in primetime share.

Adults 16-34 (all-day, 06:00-26:00): 8.14% (2011: 8.64%)
Adults 16-34 (primetime, 19:00-23:00): 8.59% (2011: 9.08%)

Rather worryingly, the channel performed even worse in the key demo of 16-34: a 6% fall in share across the day and a 5% fall in primetime share.

Finally, in the upmarket demo:

ABC1 Adults (all-day, 06:00-26:00): 6.47% (2011: 6.83%)
ABC1 Adults (primetime, 19:00-23:00): 7.12% (2011: 7.47%)

A 5% fall in both all hours and primetime in this other key demo.

So far in January their share has bounced back fairly strongly year-on-year (overall and in those two demos), so perhaps they're slowly turning things around.
mlt11
23-01-2013
Originally Posted by NeilVW:
“The latest edition of that Communcations Market Report was issued a year later, in summer 2012, so it's a little more up-to-date, including 2011, but obviously still a bit old. We'll have to wait until July/August for the 2012 figures.

Here's a summary:

Spend on network* TV programming, 2011

BBC One: £777m (down -11% on 2010)
BBC Two: £358m (+3%)
ITV/ITV Breakfast: £811m (-4%)
Channel 4: £496m (+4%)
Channel 5: £178m (+10%)
BBC digital channels: £230m (0%)
Other PSB portfolio channels: £227m (+11%)
Film/sport channels: £1,730m (+12%)
Other digital channels: £678m (-5%)
TOTAL: £5,485m (+1.6%)

* excludes nations and regions programmes. I would have thought these are quite significant for BBC One and ITV.

Also affecting BBC One and ITV is the 2010 World Cup: no major sporting event on that scale in 2011 naturally led to a year-on-year fall in spending.

http://stakeholders.ofcom.org.uk/bin...cmr12/UK_2.pdf (page 143)”

The ITV results presentation gives the numbers for ITV excluding and including regional programming and also ITV digital channels (all £m):

ITV1 (exc Regional / Breakfast) - 783
Regional (news and other) - 69
Breakfast - 38

ITV1 Total - 890

ITV Digital channels - 114

ITV plc Grand Total - 1,004

See slide 33 (34/40) of link which also breaks down the £783m into component parts:

http://www.itvplc.com/sites/itvplc/f...ntation_12.pdf

NB. Above Regional figure of £69m would exclude STV and UTV regional programming costs.
AlexiR
23-01-2013
Originally Posted by Servalan:
“Death In Paradise is doing well because ITV gave up on Tuesdays years ago and still makes no effort. What it is currently doing is letting the BBC strengthen Death In Paradise (and it is noticeably better crafted than Series 1). It could just have easily played a new or returning drama there ... but didn't bother.”

I'm not suggesting that ITV haven't and aren't giving the BBC a free ride on Tuesday night. Regardless of that the point still remains that there isn't a BBC1 equivalent of Tuesday night where ITV could launch a new or returning show without fear of major competition potentially denting it. I would however add that given the problems that exist elsewhere in the ITV schedule I can perfectly understand why Tuesday isn't currently a priority for them and why they're placing their focus elsewhere.

Quote:
“Call The Midwife went up against two established series on a competitive Sunday night and found an audience nevertheless. I don't expect every new drama to rate that well, of course - but that does at least prove it's possible to schedule a new show against hit series and do respectably, at the very least. It also proves that audiences don't need big names in lead roles.”

Call the Midwife launched against an ageing and crumbling ITV Sunday night line-up that had undoubtedly seen better days. That's not to detract from its stunning performance but more that I think people tend to overstate the strength of that Dancing on Ice/Wild at Heart combo. Worth remembering that on Christmas Day, the one time it has really faced full strength competition, its numbers weren't as impressive as many expected. Equally worth remembering about Call the Midwife's launch is that it wasn't as if it just self started. I suspect its lead-in was the always reliable Countryfile and its lead out would have been the final episode of Sherlock's second series. That's a pretty nice sandwich to launch a new Sunday night drama in. And lets not forget that the BBC absolutely hammered the promotion of the first series of Call the Midwife at what was a peak time for it. Also whilst people might like to pretend otherwise Call the Midwife isn't a cast of unknowns.

Having said that I'm not disputing that its possible to launch drama in that 9 million range I am however saying that its a completely unrealistic and absurd standard to aim for. In recent years we've seen three dramas hit that kind of level, Downton Abbey (which had the support of a full strength X Factor), Sherlock and Call the Midwife. Compare that to the total number of dramas that have launched and it paints a picture as to what a ridiculous standard 9 million is for successful drama. Also on this note I can just say that there's a good argument to be made here that Ripper Street is dramatically under performing. Much like Sherlock and Call the Midwife Ripper Street has launched Q1 Sunday's on BBC1 following promotion over Christmas and New Year (not to mention the Olympics) and unlike both of those shows its in the 5-6 million range. Surely it should be doing better, no?

Quote:
“And sorry, but if you think five million-plus is what ITV should be aspiring to in drama, then the channel won't be improving its profile in that genre any time soon ...”

I didn't say that 5+ million is what ITV should be aspiring to. I said what they need to be able to do is position themselves and the ITV drama brand so that they're able to consistently launch and maintain drama at 5+ million. That's a group of solid bankable returnable hits. That more than anything else is what ITV needs and not just in drama either. They need a slate of shows that they can safely slot into the schedule and be reasonably sure of a 5 million range rating. In the modern age no network can subsist purely on a diet of mega-hits like X Factor and Downton. It doesn't work.

Originally Posted by F1Ken:
“As for "I Love My Country". God knows! I'm not confident after there last LE attempts. ”

Are we sure they're going ahead with putting this on Saturday night?
AlexiR
23-01-2013
The decision regarding Ben & Kate's future has been taken out of ITV2's hands. Fox have just announced that they're pulling the show from their schedule effective immediately and that it'll wrap production with its 15th episode. That ITV2 comedy block didn't pick the greatest shows to launch with what with Up All Night being pulled from the air and retooled as a multi-cam by NBC. Double episodes of Raising Hope will replace Ben & Kate in the US until Hell's Kitchen takes over the Tuesday 8PM hour March 12. Fox apparently hoping that will boost New Girl and The Mindy Project. Of course Hell's Kitchen will then be forced to contend with The Voice on NBC...

Also we can gleam from this that Fox really doesn't like The Goodwin Games.

Sticking with US comedy ABC have also pulled Don't Trust The Bitch in Apartment 23 from their schedule. Double episodes of Happy Endings will air in that slot until Dancing with the Stars returns.
steptastic1987
23-01-2013
Originally Posted by C14E:
“One thing to remember with C4 is that they have by far the best audience profile of the terrestrial channels. Very young and upmarket. It's still not enough of course - with too many shows failing to deliver on any measure. I'd imagine the staffing would be brought down dramatically under private ownership.”

That is very true. TBF I think Channel 4 should be sold to a private owner.
D.M.N.
23-01-2013
Not sure it was ever mentioned, but Walk on the Wild Side is back for a new series after a two and a half year absence - except this time it has a more appropriate time slot of Mondays on CBBC.
steptastic1987
23-01-2013
Originally Posted by AlexiR:
“The decision regarding Ben & Kate's future has been taken out of ITV2's hands. Fox have just announced that they're pulling the show from their schedule effective immediately and that it'll wrap production with its 15th episode. That ITV2 comedy block didn't pick the greatest shows to launch with what with Up All Night being pulled from the air and retooled as a multi-cam by NBC. Double episodes of Raising Hope will replace Ben & Kate in the US until Hell's Kitchen takes over the Tuesday 8PM hour March 12. Fox apparently hoping that will boost New Girl and The Mindy Project. Of course Hell's Kitchen will then be forced to contend with The Voice on NBC...

Also we can gleam from this that Fox really doesn't like The Goodwin Games.

Sticking with US comedy ABC have also pulled Don't Trust The Bitch in Apartment 23 from their schedule. Double episodes of Happy Endings will air in that slot until Dancing with the Stars returns.”

Sounds like FOX has it's own FlopZone just like ITV1.
NeilVW
23-01-2013
Originally Posted by mlt11:
“See slide 33 (34/40) of link which also breaks down the £783m into component parts:

http://www.itvplc.com/sites/itvplc/f...ntation_12.pdf”

Thanks. ITN only cost them £43m in 2011? That doesn't seem a lot, but I remember costs were cut in this area. Regional news and other programming added another £69m though. And I note the -19% drop in sports spending, mainly due to the lack of a World Cup/Euros as I mentioned earlier. Acquisitions also down -19%. I'm pretty sure that would include feature films as well as the likes of Murder, She Wrote. Thinking about it, there do seem to be fewer films on ITV compared with the past, particularly in primetime. Most seem to have been hived off to the digital channels.
Chris1964
23-01-2013
Originally Posted by cylon6:
“Doctor Who is back on March 30th.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/doctorwho...Doctors-Return”

At least Easter is early this year, which may induce a few more to view live.
Patrick_Woodcoc
23-01-2013
Originally Posted by Dancc:
“[u][

23:00 Law & Order: UK: 452k (4.6%)”

thats a bloody good rating for ITV 3 at 11pm!
Willz
23-01-2013
Utopia deserves better
steptastic1987
23-01-2013
Originally Posted by Willz:
“Utopia deserves better ”

I've not seen it yet. It's against CBB. But I'll 4oD it when the series is over.
gavin shipman
23-01-2013
CBB are having brilliant ratings.

2.4million nearly for last night and 2.6million for Monday.

I think tonight could be lower as NTA Awards are on.

I'm going for 2.3million with +1.
Dancc
23-01-2013
Originally Posted by Patrick_Woodcoc:
“thats a bloody good rating for ITV 3 at 11pm! ”

I thought the same.
Georged123
23-01-2013
Originally Posted by Willz:
“Utopia deserves better ”

I think it's excellent but it's a niche show gettting niche ratings.

Credit has to got to C4 though for airing a drama which you wouldn't find in any other terrestrial in a million years.
wizzywick
23-01-2013
Originally Posted by AlexiR:
“I'm not suggesting that ITV haven't and aren't giving the BBC a free ride on Tuesday night. Regardless of that the point still remains that there isn't a BBC1 equivalent of Tuesday night where ITV could launch a new or returning show without fear of major competition potentially denting it. I would however add that given the problems that exist elsewhere in the ITV schedule I can perfectly understand why Tuesday isn't currently a priority for them and why they're placing their focus elsewhere.


Call the Midwife launched against an ageing and crumbling ITV Sunday night line-up that had undoubtedly seen better days. That's not to detract from its stunning performance but more that I think people tend to overstate the strength of that Dancing on Ice/Wild at Heart combo. Worth remembering that on Christmas Day, the one time it has really faced full strength competition, its numbers weren't as impressive as many expected. Equally worth remembering about Call the Midwife's launch is that it wasn't as if it just self started. I suspect its lead-in was the always reliable Countryfile and its lead out would have been the final episode of Sherlock's second series. That's a pretty nice sandwich to launch a new Sunday night drama in. And lets not forget that the BBC absolutely hammered the promotion of the first series of Call the Midwife at what was a peak time for it. Also whilst people might like to pretend otherwise Call the Midwife isn't a cast of unknowns.

Having said that I'm not disputing that its possible to launch drama in that 9 million range I am however saying that its a completely unrealistic and absurd standard to aim for. In recent years we've seen three dramas hit that kind of level, Downton Abbey (which had the support of a full strength X Factor), Sherlock and Call the Midwife. Compare that to the total number of dramas that have launched and it paints a picture as to what a ridiculous standard 9 million is for successful drama. Also on this note I can just say that there's a good argument to be made here that Ripper Street is dramatically under performing. Much like Sherlock and Call the Midwife Ripper Street has launched Q1 Sunday's on BBC1 following promotion over Christmas and New Year (not to mention the Olympics) and unlike both of those shows its in the 5-6 million range. Surely it should be doing better, no?


I didn't say that 5+ million is what ITV should be aspiring to. I said what they need to be able to do is position themselves and the ITV drama brand so that they're able to consistently launch and maintain drama at 5+ million. That's a group of solid bankable returnable hits. That more than anything else is what ITV needs and not just in drama either. They need a slate of shows that they can safely slot into the schedule and be reasonably sure of a 5 million range rating. In the modern age no network can subsist purely on a diet of mega-hits like X Factor and Downton. It doesn't work.


Are we sure they're going ahead with putting this on Saturday night?”

Do you like to put the negative spin on everything in life? Even in the pub?
Brekkie
23-01-2013
Originally Posted by AlexiR:
“Sticking with US comedy ABC have also pulled Don't Trust The Bitch in Apartment 23 from their schedule. Double episodes of Happy Endings will air in that slot until Dancing with the Stars returns.”

Although it seems to be more a case of burning off episodes of Happy Endings rather than a vote of confidence.
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