The Ratings Thread (Part 45)

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AlexiR

23-01-2013

Originally Posted by Servalan:
“It's not an unfair expectation. I don't expect every new ITV drama to get stratospheric ratings - but, judging by what it used to be capable of, it should have more solid bankers than it does now. Five million-plus viewers is not what they should be aiming for. Not when Death In Paradise can pull in significantly more.”

Death in Paradise is doing that on a Tuesday night against absolutely no major competition. There isn't an equivalent spot where ITV can put a new or returning drama because the BBC is rarely, if ever, that weak at 9PM. Move Death in Paradise to any night other than Tuesday and I suspect its overnights at least would be noticeably lower.

Also I'd point out that solid bankers would be 5(+) million not 9(+) million.

Originally Posted by kwynne42:
“Sorry to point out that DW started back in 2005 on Easter Saturday and began several of its early series at easter.”

Indeed. Easter Weekend seems like a fairly good slot for it actually.

PaulRobinsonFan

23-01-2013

Originally Posted by NeilVW:
“5*
Mon, 19:00 - 155k (0.64%), inc +1: 176k (0.73%)
Tue, 19:00 - 183k (0.79%), inc +1: 185.5k (0.80%)

Up on the 12-month slot average.

and for the 3pm showings:

5*
Mon, 15:00 - 53k (0.52%), inc +1: same
Tue, 15:00 - 43k (0.51%), inc +1: same

These are down on the slot average.”

thank you

D.M.N.

23-01-2013

Tuesday 15th January 2013 - Demographic Breakdowns
Children 4-15
01 - 779k (37.5%) - EastEnders (19:30, BBC1)
02 - 579k (27.5%) - Emmerdale (19:00, ITV)
03 - 410k (20.4%) - The Simpsons (18:00, C4)
04 - 301k (16.4%) - Holby City (20:00, BBC1)
05 - 247k (12.1%) - ITV News (18:30, ITV)

Adults 16-24
01 - 839k (47.5%) - EastEnders (19:30, BBC1)
02 - 486k (25.7%) - The Undateables (21:00, C4)
03 - 393k (23.9%) - Emmerdale (19:00, ITV)
04 - 378k (29.5%) - The Simpsons (18:00, C4)
05 - 324k (19.3%) - Holby City (20:00, BBC1)

Adults 25-34
01 - 1.39m (46.1%) - EastEnders (19:30, BBC1)
02 - 912k (27.3%) - The Undateables (21:00, C4)
03 - 655k (26.2%) - Emmerdale (19:00, ITV)
04 - 502k (17.8%) - Celebrity Big Brother (22:00, C5)
05 - 469k (14.3%) - Death in Paradise (21:00, BBC1)

Adults 35-44
01 - 1.37m (43.0%) - EastEnders (19:30, BBC1)
02 - 931k (33.6%) - Emmerdale (19:00, ITV)
03 - 929k (24.4%) - Death in Paradise (21:00, BBC1)
04 - 627k (17.5%) - BBC News at Ten (22:00, BBC1)
05 - 615k (18.4%) - Holby City (20:00, BBC1)

Adults 45-54
01 - 1.52m (38.0%) - EastEnders (19:30, BBC1)
02 - 1.49m (31.0%) - Death in Paradise (21:00, BBC1)
03 - 1.42m (38.0%) - Emmerdale (19:00, ITV)
04 - 916k (21.2%) - BBC News at Ten (22:00, BBC1)
05 - 852k (19.9%) - Holby City (20:00, BBC1)

Adults 55-64
01 - 1.58m (34.5%) - Death in Paradise (21:00, BBC1)
02 - 1.41m (36.5%) - Emmerdale (19:00, ITV)
03 - 1.35m (35.0%) - EastEnders (19:30, BBC1)
04 - 1.09m (22.7%) - BBC News at Ten (22:00, BBC1)
05 - 977k (25.5%) - The One Show (19:00, BBC1)

Adults 65+
01 - 2.88m (37.7%) - Death in Paradise (21:00, BBC1)
02 - 2.66m (39.5%) - BBC News at Six (18:00, BBC1)
03 - 2.57m (38.5%) - Emmerdale (19:00, ITV)
04 - 2.10m (32.9%) - EastEnders (19:30, BBC1)
05 - 1.84m (32.6%) - Pointless (17:15, BBC1)

Interesting to see Pointless up there for the over 65+. Demographically, for that episode versus The Chase last Tuesday (inc +1):

Pointless vs The Chase
Children 4-15 - 79k (4.2%) vs 154k (8.5%)
Adults 16-24 - 93k (9.5%) vs 97k (11.2%)
Adults 25-34 - 124k (08.4%) vs 160k (11.5%)
Adults 35-44 - 257k (15.0%) vs 296k (18.3%)
Adults 45-54 - 537k (22.2%) vs 513k (22.9%)
Adults 55-64 - 872k (29.3%) vs 698k (25.3%)
Adults 65+ - 1.84m (32.6%) vs 1.54m (28.6%)

So The Chase skews slightly younger, if anything - although that's not saying much as both skew old anyway!

NeilVW

23-01-2013

Tuesday 22 January 2013
All-day shares
BBC One - 23.9%
BBC Two - 6.3%
ITV - 15.4% (inc +1: 16.3%)
Channel 4 - 5.5% (inc +1: 6.4%)
Channel 5 - 4.7% (inc +1: 5.0%)
Others - 44.2% (exc +1s on ITV/C4/C5: 42.1%)

Primetime shares (19:00-23:00)
BBC One - 23.65%
BBC Two - 9.0%
ITV - 14.0% (inc +1: 14.8%)
Channel 4 - 6.2% (inc +1: 7.2%)
Channel 5 - 5.3% (inc +1: 5.8%)
Others - 41.85% (exc +1s on ITV/C4/C5: 39.55%)

Without an hour-long Emmerdale the ITV Flop Zone would have looked a lot worse: from 20:00 to 23:00 the channel averaged 8.7% (9.4% inc +1).

steptastic1987

23-01-2013

Does anyone know the total spend on programmes for each of the main channels for last year? I'm doing a little research into how much is spent on each genre vs ratings average for each genre

Servalan

23-01-2013

Originally Posted by AlexiR:
“Death in Paradise is doing that on a Tuesday night against absolutely no major competition. There isn't an equivalent spot where ITV can put a new or returning drama because the BBC is rarely, if ever, that weak at 9PM. Move Death in Paradise to any night other than Tuesday and I suspect its overnights at least would be noticeably lower.

Also I'd point out that solid bankers would be 5(+) million not 9(+) million.”

Death In Paradise is doing well because ITV gave up on Tuesdays years ago and still makes no effort. What it is currently doing is letting the BBC strengthen Death In Paradise (and it is noticeably better crafted than Series 1). It could just have easily played a new or returning drama there ... but didn't bother. Call The Midwife went up against two established series on a competitive Sunday night and found an audience nevertheless. I don't expect every new drama to rate that well, of course - but that does at least prove it's possible to schedule a new show against hit series and do respectably, at the very least. It also proves that audiences don't need big names in lead roles.

And sorry, but if you think five million-plus is what ITV should be aspiring to in drama, then the channel won't be improving its profile in that genre any time soon ...

KennyT

23-01-2013

Originally Posted by steptastic1987:
“Does anyone know the total spend on programmes for each of the main channels for last year? I'm doing a little research into how much is spent on each genre vs ratings average for each genre”

not sure if there's anything more up to date than this?

http://dcmscommsreview.readandcommen...nt_markets.pdf

K

Dancc

23-01-2013

Originally Posted by D.M.N.:
“Here are Celebrity Big Brother's official ratings so far, including +1:

03/01 - 3.83m (16.04%), peak: 4.49m (19.07%) at 22:05
04/01 - 2.43m (09.72%), peak: 2.96m (12.32%) at 21:50
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05/01 - 2.68m (10.89%), peak: 2.94m (11.83%) at 22:05
06/01 - 2.64m (08.29%), peak: 2.83m (09.16%) at 21:30
07/01 - 2.73m (08.69%), peak: 3.07m (09.67%) at 21:40
08/01 - 2.61m (13.10%), peak: 2.82m (16.83%) at 22:50
09/01 - 2.77m (09.83%), peak: 3.00m (12.36%) at 22:00
10/01 - 2.64m (09.40%), peak: 2.95m (10.47%) at 21:45
11/01 - 2.88m (09.88%), peak: 3.17m (10.63%) at 21:50
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12/01 - 2.81m (11.39%), peak: 3.15m (13.01%) at 22:20
13/01 - 2.92m (09.15%), peak: 3.12m (09.74%) at 21:40
14/01 - 2.79m (08.90%), peak: 2.96m (09.19%) at 21:35
15/01 - 2.96m (14.18%), peak: 3.25m (17.39%) at 22:40

A really great series ratings wise for Channel 5 this year, peaking around ~3 million every night.”

Even more impressive now it's been made abundantly clear the show has no friends left at all in the media.

Digital Spy for instance has taken it upon themselves to write about 442525194 articles (and rising) on "Rylangate", with seemingly ever DS staffer including the office cleaner voicing their condemnation. Even our friend Paul Millar can't dish out the ratings for the show without referring to it as "scandal-ridden." Yawn. I suppose it's mildly more interesting than what One Direction had for breakfast, but it's still old news now.

All this shitstorm has served to achieve apart from a bit of temporary embarrassment is expose a few more of the show's enemies and make it even more sweet when the blistering numbers for this series come in each morning, proving the ever present naysayers wrong. Yeeeehaa!

steptastic1987

23-01-2013

Originally Posted by KennyT:
“not sure if there's anything more up to date than this?

http://dcmscommsreview.readandcommen...nt_markets.pdf

K”

Thank you. Interesting that Channel 5 has the lowest budget yet beats Channel 4 in the ratings quite often now.

Dancc

23-01-2013

Originally Posted by steptastic1987:
“Thank you. Interesting that Channel 5 has the lowest budget yet beats Channel 4 in the ratings quite often now.”

I think those figures are probably very out-of-date now. 3 years is a long time in broadcasting. The C5 budget has reportedly gone up under the new ownership, C4's has I think continued to go down. Obviously we know about BBC DQF so that will affect their spend and not sure about ITV.

Brekkie

23-01-2013

Originally Posted by ftv:
“I think one of the (many) weaknesses of the Daybreak operation is it only runs Monday to Friday while the BBC and Sky have breakfast shows over the weekend establishing continuity. In fact the BBC seems to get some of its biggest audiences at the weekend.If you have set up the machine to run for five days it can't cost much more to run it for seven days.”

Although it's understandable why and it's great that by not having a weekend edition it does get CITV onto "ITV" at the weekend, I do think there is an opportunity to launch a Sunday edition (say 8-9.25am) to take advantage of Breakfast finishing early on BBC1 to make way for the Match of the Day repeat.

steptastic1987

23-01-2013

Originally Posted by Dancc:
“Even more impressive now it's been made abundantly clear the show has no friends left at all in the media.

Digital Spy for instance has taken it upon themselves to write about 442525194 articles (and rising) on "Rylangate", with seemingly ever DS staffer including the office cleaner voicing their condemnation. Even our friend Paul Millar can't dish out the ratings for the show without referring to it as "scandal-ridden." Yawn. I suppose it's mildly more interesting than what One Direction had for breakfast, but it's still old news now.

All this shitstorm has served to achieve apart from a bit of temporary embarrassment is expose a few more of the show's enemies and make it even more sweet when the blistering numbers for this series come in each morning, proving the ever present naysayers wrong. Yeeeehaa! ”

Prediction for the eviction tonight Dancc?

I say:
Channel 5 average 2.8m
Channel 5 peak 3.5m
Channel 5+1 average 0.5m
Channel 5+1 peak 0.8m

BOTS Channel 5 average 1.1m
BOTS Channel 5 peak 1.5m
BOTS Channel 5+1 average 0.3m
BOTS Channel 5+1 peak 0.4m/0.5m

Yours?

steptastic1987

23-01-2013

Originally Posted by Dancc:
“I think those figures are probably very out-of-date now. 3 years is a long time in broadcasting. The C5 budget has reportedly gone up under the new ownership, C4's has I think continued to go down. Obviously we know about BBC DQF so that will affect their spend and not sure about ITV.”

I heard about that, particularly now they have the BB franchise.

Dancc

23-01-2013

Originally Posted by steptastic1987:
“Prediction for the eviction tonight Dancc?”

Dunno. It has some entertainment competition in the form of The TV Awards, which despite their infuriating predictability, continue to pull in a very solid 6 million each year. There might be some crossover with CBB there.

Probably around 2.4m-2.5m including a very strong +1 audience. I think the final will hit 3m on Friday.

LW09

23-01-2013

Originally Posted by Dancc:
“Dunno. It has some entertainment competition in the form of The TV Awards, which despite their infuriating predictability, continue to pull in a very solid 6 million each year. There might be some crossover with CBB there.

Probably around 2.4m-2.5m including a very strong +1 audience. I think the final will hit 3m on Friday.”

I think there is a perfectly reasonable chance that for the first time since 2006 or 2007, the final might rate higher than the launch.

NeilVW

23-01-2013

Originally Posted by KennyT:
“not sure if there's anything more up to date than this?
http://dcmscommsreview.readandcommen...nt_markets.pdf”

The latest edition of that Communcations Market Report was issued a year later, in summer 2012, so it's a little more up-to-date, including 2011, but obviously still a bit old. We'll have to wait until July/August for the 2012 figures.

Here's a summary:

Spend on network* TV programming, 2011

BBC One: £777m (down -11% on 2010)
BBC Two: £358m (+3%)
ITV/ITV Breakfast: £811m (-4%)
Channel 4: £496m (+4%)
Channel 5: £178m (+10%)
BBC digital channels: £230m (0%)
Other PSB portfolio channels: £227m (+11%)
Film/sport channels: £1,730m (+12%)
Other digital channels: £678m (-5%)
TOTAL: £5,485m (+1.6%)

* excludes nations and regions programmes. I would have thought these are quite significant for BBC One and ITV.

Also affecting BBC One and ITV is the 2010 World Cup: no major sporting event on that scale in 2011 naturally led to a year-on-year fall in spending.

http://stakeholders.ofcom.org.uk/bin...cmr12/UK_2.pdf (page 143)

steptastic1987

23-01-2013

Originally Posted by LW09:
“I think there is a perfectly reasonable chance that for the first time since 2006 or 2007, the final might rate higher than the launch.”

I agree. It's really gaining momentum. I think CBB is now in a position to say it's "arrived on five"..... Pardon the rhyming.

D.M.N.

23-01-2013

I'll be gobsmacked if the NTA's don't get over 6.5m at least tonight - lost count of how many times I've seen that advert.

wizzywick

23-01-2013

Originally Posted by D.M.N.:
“I'll be gobsmacked if the NTA's don't get over 6.5m at least tonight - lost count of how many times I've seen that advert.”

I think it will be ITV's night tonight. With Africa's repeat on Sunday doing well, I predict the following:

NTA 7.2 million
Africa 4.88

steptastic1987

23-01-2013

Originally Posted by NeilVW:
“Spend on network* TV programming, 2011

BBC One: £777m (down -11% on 2010)
BBC Two: £358m (+3%)
ITV/ITV Breakfast: £811m (-4%)
Channel 4: £496m (+4%)
Channel 5: £178m (+10%)
BBC digital channels: £230m (0%)
Other PSB portfolio channels: £227m (+11%)
Film/sport channels: £1,730m (+12%)
Other digital channels: £678m (-5%)
TOTAL: £5,485m (+1.6%)
”

Thank you. What I'm wondering is how Channel 4 can make a profit on that kind of budget, with falling viewing figures and a staffing level quadruple that of Channel 5.

Dancc

23-01-2013

Originally Posted by steptastic1987:
“Thank you. What I'm wondering is how Channel 4 can make a profit on that kind of budget, with falling viewing figures and a staffing level quadruple that of Channel 5.”

Not sure it is profitable.

See here: http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012...al-loss-decade

steptastic1987

23-01-2013

Originally Posted by Dancc:
“Not sure it is profitable.

See here: http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012...al-loss-decade”

Oh I wasn't asking, it was more of a "there's no way it made a profit last year" kind of meaning to my statement. I should have been slightly clearer.

Salv*

23-01-2013

Bloody hell it's doing good. That last rating rounds up to 3m! I seem to recall that episode got 2.33m in overnights. There has since been two shows which have averaged 2.56m this last week, so they surely must go over 3m.

Dancc

23-01-2013

Tuesday 22nd January: Terrestrial and Multichannel Ratings Roundup
BBC One
06:00 Breakfast: 1.69m (37.4%)
13:00 BBC News at One: 3.28m (39.0%)
13:45 Doctors: 1.67m (20.1%)
14:15 Father Brown: 1.81m (21.6%)
17:15 Pointless: 3.68m (21.0%)
18:00 BBC News at Six: 5.66m (26.8%)
18:30 BBC Regional News and Weather: 7.24m (32.0%)
19:00 The One Show: 5.54m (24.1%)
19:30 EastEnders: 6.59m (26.0%)
20:00 Holby City: 5.01m (20.2%)
21:00 Death in Paradise: 6.70m (26.7%)
22:00 BBC News at Ten: 5.20m (25.1%)
22:25 BBC Regional News and Weather: 5.01m (26.8%)
22:35 Allotment Wars: 2.49m (18.7%)
23:30 Greenfingers: 814k (13.5%)

BBC Two
18:00 Eggheads: 1.50m (7.1%) exc. HD
18:30 Great British Railway Journeys: 1.78m (7.4%) exc. HD
19:00 Heir Hunters: 1.46m (6.0%)
20:00 The Great Comic Relief Bake Off: 4.19m (16.8%)
21:00 Locomotion: Dan Snow's History of Railways: 1.85m (7.3%)
22:00 Sarah Millican's Television Programme: 1.72m (8.4%)

ITV Total
06:00 Daybreak: 643k (15.1%)
08:30 Lorraine: 1.06m (18.5%)
09:25 The Jeremy Kyle Show: 1.63m (26.5%)
13:30 ITV Lunchtime News: 1.27m (14.9%)
14:00 Dickinson's Real Deal: 1.21m (14.4%)
15:00 The Alan Titchmarsh Show: 1.18m (13.0%)
16:00 Tipping Point: 2.17m (17.8%)
17:00 The Chase: 4.10m (24.6%)
18:00 ITV Regional News: 4.75m (22.5%)
18:30 ITV Evening News: 4.10m (18.1%)
19:00 Emmerdale: 7.30m (30.3%)
20:00 Celebrity Who Wants to be a Millionaire?: 2.65m (10.7%)
21:00 Great Houses with Julian Fellowes: 2.21m (8.8%)
22:00 ITV News at Ten: 1.80m (8.9%)
22:35 Piers Morgan's Life Stories: Michael Winner: 1.01m (7.6%)
23:35 The Cube: 301k (4.6%)

Channel 4 Total
14:40 Countdown: 520k (6.2%)
15:30 Face the Clock: 390k (4.0%)
16:00 Deal or No Deal: 1.15m (9.4%)
17:00 Four in a Bed: 1.42m (9.2%)
17:30 Come Dine with Me: 1.61m (8.9%)
18:00 The Simpsons: 2.03m (9.5%)
18:30 Hollyoaks: 1.28m (5.6%)
19:00 Channel 4 News: 806k (3.3%)
20:00 Supersize v Superskinny: 1.90m (7.7%)
21:00 The Undateables: 3.08m (12.3%)
22:00 Utopia: 848k (4.8%)
23:10 8 Out of 10 Cats Uncut: 457k (5.2%)

Channel 5 Total
06:00 Milkshake!: 167k (3.5%)
09:15 The Wright Stuff: 331k (5.4%)
13:15 Home & Away: 329k (3.8%)
13:45 Neighbours: 746k (8.9%)
15:15 Moonlight Becomes You: 710k (6.5%)
17:00 5 News at 5: 709k (4.6%)
17:30 Neighbours: 957k (5.3%)
18:00 Home & Away: 729k (3.5%)
20:00 Benidorm ER: 1.37m (5.5%)
21:00 Body of Proof: 1.19m (4.7%)
22:00 Celebrity Big Brother: 2.38m (12.6%)
23:00 Celebrity Big Brother's Bit on the Side: 799k (8.2%)

BBC Three
19:00 Total Wipeout: 182k (0.8%)
20:00 Growing Up Poor: 451k (1.8%)
21:00 Sun, Sex and Suspicious Parents: 933k (3.7%)
22:00 Pramface: 547k (2.6%)
22:30 EastEnders: 776k (4.6%)
23:00 Family Guy: 726k (6.0%)
23:25 Family Guy: 779k (8.5%)

ITV3 Total
18:55 Murder, She Wrote: 420k (1.7%)
20:00 Midsomer Murders: 959k (3.8%)
22:00 DCI Banks: 622k (3.4%)
23:00 Law & Order: UK: 452k (4.6%)

Sky Atlantic Total
19:00 House: 70k (0.3%)
20:00 Friday Night Lights: 21k (0.1%)
21:00 The British: 19k (0.1%)
22:00 The Following: 270k (1.4%)

F1Ken

23-01-2013

Originally Posted by cylon6:
“Yep that is Easter weekend. Do we even know if the Voice is launching on the same day? And what about BGT?”

And remember on that weekend they will have a Jonathan Creek special. So that looks like a great Easter schedule from BBC One.

As for "I Love My Country". God knows! I'm not confident after there last LE attempts.

Ken

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