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The Ratings Thread (Part 45)
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D.M.N.
10-02-2013
Great night for BBC One. I'm guessing ITV1 was below 4 million.
Hassaan13
10-02-2013
Originally Posted by NeilVW:
“I had a lie-in

BBC One
14:00 - Six Nations (Scot/Ita): 3.51m (27.2%)
* peak: 4.48m (31.5%) at 16:05
16:30 - Six Nations (Fra/Wal): 4.71m (24.9%)
* peak: 5.50m (25.0%) at 18:40
19:00 - BBC News: 5.14m (23.6%)
19:10 - Regional News: 5.58m (25.0%)
19:20 - Britain's Brightest: 5.15m (22.7%)
20:20 - The National Lottery: In It to Win It: 5.28m (23.2%)
21:10 - Casualty: 5.59m (25.0%)
22:00 - BBC News: 5.14m (24.9%)
22:20 - Match of the Day: 3.99m (25.9%)
23:40 - The Football League Show: 1.05m (13.9%)”

First of all, how did you get access again?

Secondly, nice to see mostly everything in primetime over 5m.
Andy Parish
10-02-2013
Originally Posted by ftv:
“Surely licence payers' money should not be spent on giving people prizes in tacky quiz and game shows ?”

Why not? The contestants pay the licence.
ftv
10-02-2013
Do we have the breakdown for the rugby in Wales and Scotland please ?
NeilVW
10-02-2013
ITV (exc / inc +1)
15:25 - FILM: The Secret of My Succe$s (1987): 684k (4.5%) / 793k (5.3%)
17:30 - Regional News: 2.18m (11.7%) / 2.27m (12.2%)
17:45 - ITV News: 3.10m (16.2%) / 3.22m (16.8%)
18:00 - FILM PREMIERE: Nanny McPhee & The Big Bang (2010): 4.06m (18.6%) / 4.69m (21.4%)
* peak: 4.70m (20.4%) / 5.53m (24.0%) at 19:50
20:05 - Take Me Out: 3.56m (15.7%) / 3.94m (17.3%)
21:20 - The Jonathan Ross Show: 2.42m (11.1%) / 2.73m (12.6%)
22:20 - ITV News: 1.95m (10.2%) / 2.10m (11.0%)
22:35 - FILM: Knocked Up (2007): 933k (8.35%) / 1.08m (9.7%)
24:50 - Jackpot247 (to 26:00): 96k (2.6%) exc +1
Hassaan13
10-02-2013
Originally Posted by NeilVW:
“ITV (exc / inc +1)
15:25 - FILM: The Secret of My Succe$s (1987): 684k (4.5%) / 793k (5.3%)
17:30 - Regional News: 2.18m (11.7%) / 2.27m (12.2%)
17:45 - ITV News: 3.10m (16.2%) / 3.22m (16.8%)
18:00 - FILM PREMIERE: Nanny McPhee & The Big Bang (2010): 4.06m (18.6%) / 4.69m (21.4%)
* peak: 4.70m (20.4%) / 5.53m (24.0%) at 19:50
20:05 - Take Me Out: 3.56m (15.7%) / 3.94m (17.3%)
21:20 - The Jonathan Ross Show: 2.42m (11.1%) / 2.73m (12.6%)
22:20 - ITV News: 1.95m (10.2%) / 2.10m (11.0%)
22:35 - FILM: Knocked Up (2007): 933k (8.35%) / 1.08m (9.7%)
24:50 - Jackpot247 (to 26:00): 96k (2.6%) exc +1”

The Nanny McPhee film was practically the stand-out broadcast then.

I expect Samuel to rant over this.

Take Me Out, rather low but still good. Nearer to 4m with +1 included.

But, ITV need Saturday Night Takeaway to prop up their Saturday nights.
mossy2103
10-02-2013
Originally Posted by Andy Parish:
“Why not? The contestants pay the licence.”

And some viewewrs will watch because of the prize money. Such tacky games shows with prize money have been a TV staple for many years, it takes a show with a presenter with a unique style (such as Wogan on Blankety Blank), or a more cerebral quiz programme such as University Challenge or Mastermind not to have any cash prizes.

And ftv might be forgetting that the BBC makes programmes for all, not just programmes that appeal to ftv.

And If the £50,000 is so much of a drain, I'm sure that ftv will appreciate a refund of that amount, pro-rata of course, on the LF - which is about 0.2 pence.
ftv
10-02-2013
Originally Posted by mossy2103:
“And some viewewrs will watch because of the prize money. Such tacky games shows with prize money have been a TV staple for many years, it takes a show with a presenter with a unique style (such as Wogan on Blankety Blank), or a more cerebral quiz programme such as University Challenge or Mastermind not to have any cash prizes.

And ftv might be forgetting that the BBC makes programmes for all, not just programmes that appeal to ftv.

And If the £50,000 is so much of a drain, I'm sure that ftv will appreciate a refund of that amount, pro-rata of course, on the LF - which is about 0.2 pence.”

My mind is put at ease Andy with your reassurance that every contestant is checked to make sure he/she pays the TV licence, I trust they bring them to the studio to prove it.
NeilVW
10-02-2013
Originally Posted by ftv:
“Do we have the breakdown for the rugby in Wales and Scotland please ?”

14:00 - Six Nations (Scot/Ita): 3.51m (27.2%)

Breakdown:

Spoiler
14:00 1,844.80 16.39%
14:05 1,873.60 16.62%
14:10 1,899.40 16.77%
14:15 2,080.30 18.05%
14:20 2,322.70 19.82%
14:25 2,661.30 22.32%
14:30 3,036.50 25.07%
14:35 3,355.20 27.54%
14:40 3,468.20 28.40%
14:45 3,607.10 29.03%
14:50 3,739.30 29.97%
14:55 3,789.50 30.30%
15:00 3,883.20 30.79%
15:05 3,990.50 31.30%
15:10 3,901.00 30.61%
15:15 3,469.40 26.99%
15:20 3,465.50 26.90%
15:25 3,713.90 28.49%
15:30 3,908.00 29.69%
15:35 3,923.40 29.15%
15:40 4,011.90 29.65%
15:45 4,198.00 30.85%
15:50 4,204.10 30.79%
15:55 4,370.40 31.75%
16:00 4,370.40 31.25%
16:05 4,482.00 31.49%
16:10 4,449.50 31.06%
16:15 3,857.50 26.84%
16:20 3,701.70 25.59%
16:25 3,639.60 24.85%

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16:30 - Six Nations (Fra/Wal): 4.71m (24.9%)

Breakdown:

Spoiler
16:30 3,417.20 22.97%
16:35 3,362.80 22.08%
16:40 3,355.80 21.72%
16:45 3,432.90 21.82%
16:50 3,634.20 22.65%
16:55 4,102.40 24.86%
17:00 4,648.80 27.55%
17:05 4,872.60 28.38%
17:10 4,996.80 29.00%
17:15 5,088.80 28.79%
17:20 5,214.20 28.92%
17:25 5,372.90 29.76%
17:30 5,390.80 29.38%
17:35 5,369.50 28.54%
17:40 5,345.90 27.99%
17:45 4,599.20 24.16%
17:50 4,357.80 22.68%
17:55 4,585.20 23.68%
18:00 4,697.90 23.91%
18:05 4,828.30 24.27%
18:10 5,074.60 25.08%
18:15 5,183.60 25.15%
18:20 5,324.60 25.29%
18:25 5,391.70 25.35%
18:30 5,459.20 25.40%
18:35 5,424.00 24.85%
18:40 5,495.10 25.00%
18:45 4,992.80 22.54%
18:50 4,198.00 19.13%
18:55 4,106.10 18.84%
ftv
10-02-2013
Originally Posted by NeilVW:
“14:00 - Six Nations (Scot/Ita): 3.51m (27.2%)

Breakdown:

Spoiler
14:00 1,844.80 16.39%
14:05 1,873.60 16.62%
14:10 1,899.40 16.77%
14:15 2,080.30 18.05%
14:20 2,322.70 19.82%
14:25 2,661.30 22.32%
14:30 3,036.50 25.07%
14:35 3,355.20 27.54%
14:40 3,468.20 28.40%
14:45 3,607.10 29.03%
14:50 3,739.30 29.97%
14:55 3,789.50 30.30%
15:00 3,883.20 30.79%
15:05 3,990.50 31.30%
15:10 3,901.00 30.61%
15:15 3,469.40 26.99%
15:20 3,465.50 26.90%
15:25 3,713.90 28.49%
15:30 3,908.00 29.69%
15:35 3,923.40 29.15%
15:40 4,011.90 29.65%
15:45 4,198.00 30.85%
15:50 4,204.10 30.79%
15:55 4,370.40 31.75%
16:00 4,370.40 31.25%
16:05 4,482.00 31.49%
16:10 4,449.50 31.06%
16:15 3,857.50 26.84%
16:20 3,701.70 25.59%
16:25 3,639.60 24.85%

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16:30 - Six Nations (Fra/Wal): 4.71m (24.9%)

Breakdown:

Spoiler
16:30 3,417.20 22.97%
16:35 3,362.80 22.08%
16:40 3,355.80 21.72%
16:45 3,432.90 21.82%
16:50 3,634.20 22.65%
16:55 4,102.40 24.86%
17:00 4,648.80 27.55%
17:05 4,872.60 28.38%
17:10 4,996.80 29.00%
17:15 5,088.80 28.79%
17:20 5,214.20 28.92%
17:25 5,372.90 29.76%
17:30 5,390.80 29.38%
17:35 5,369.50 28.54%
17:40 5,345.90 27.99%
17:45 4,599.20 24.16%
17:50 4,357.80 22.68%
17:55 4,585.20 23.68%
18:00 4,697.90 23.91%
18:05 4,828.30 24.27%
18:10 5,074.60 25.08%
18:15 5,183.60 25.15%
18:20 5,324.60 25.29%
18:25 5,391.70 25.35%
18:30 5,459.20 25.40%
18:35 5,424.00 24.85%
18:40 5,495.10 25.00%
18:45 4,992.80 22.54%
18:50 4,198.00 19.13%
18:55 4,106.10 18.84%
”

Sorry, being ambiguous, I meant the audiences within Scotland and Wales for the matches
Score
10-02-2013
Great night for BBC1. Looks like Splash has been denting Britain's Brightest and In It To Win It looking at their numbers last night. Mixed night for ITV. At 4.7m the Nanny McPhee premiere did pretty well (with a massive +1 audience suggesting it could have done even better a little later). Take Me Out looks rather low however and I don't think it's been that low in Q1 for a while. It'll still skew really young though. Pretty pathetic for Jonathan Ross (with a shit guest list) although I'd expect a sizeable boost for him next week as he's got Ant & Dec on.
Andy Parish
10-02-2013
Originally Posted by ftv:
“My mind is put at ease Andy with your reassurance that every contestant is checked to make sure he/she pays the TV licence.”

That would cost even more. "Damn you BBC for spending my licence fee checking that we have paid our licence fee!!"

NeilVW
10-02-2013
Originally Posted by MrBing:
“When was the last time Casualty did that well?”

Last night was the best overnight for Casualty in more than a year: it was last higher on 21 January 2012 with 5.67m (24.0%). The share is the highest since 14 January 2012 (6.07m/25.6%).

Originally Posted by Hassaan13:
“First of all, how did you get access again?”

I emailed them midday yesterday and got a reply about 8pm saying I had access. It could have been automated so it may be cancelled like yours on Monday morning when the humans go back to work.
iaindb
10-02-2013
Originally Posted by mossy2103:
“And some viewewrs will watch because of the prize money. Such tacky games shows with prize money have been a TV staple for many years, it takes a show with a presenter with a unique style (such as Wogan on Blankety Blank), or a more cerebral quiz programme such as University Challenge or Mastermind not to have any cash prizes.

And ftv might be forgetting that the BBC makes programmes for all, not just programmes that appeal to ftv.

And If the £50,000 is so much of a drain, I'm sure that ftv will appreciate a refund of that amount, pro-rata of course, on the LF - which is about 0.2 pence.”

£50,000 given away across a 6 part series as opposed to In It To Win It which gave away £50,000 last night in one programme, so gives away considerably more than Brightest across a series.And even which such a big cash prize, these light entertainment programmes will have a lower budget than drama programmes and sitcoms and natural history documentaries.

Was last night the rating that secured Brightest a second series? I have a horrible feeling it might.
D.M.N.
10-02-2013
Originally Posted by NeilVW:
“ITV (exc / inc +1)
15:25 - FILM: The Secret of My Succe$s (1987): 684k (4.5%) / 793k (5.3%)
17:30 - Regional News: 2.18m (11.7%) / 2.27m (12.2%)
17:45 - ITV News: 3.10m (16.2%) / 3.22m (16.8%)
18:00 - FILM PREMIERE: Nanny McPhee & The Big Bang (2010): 4.06m (18.6%) / 4.69m (21.4%)
* peak: 4.70m (20.4%) / 5.53m (24.0%) at 19:50
20:05 - Take Me Out: 3.56m (15.7%) / 3.94m (17.3%)
21:20 - The Jonathan Ross Show: 2.42m (11.1%) / 2.73m (12.6%)
22:20 - ITV News: 1.95m (10.2%) / 2.10m (11.0%)
22:35 - FILM: Knocked Up (2007): 933k (8.35%) / 1.08m (9.7%)
24:50 - Jackpot247 (to 26:00): 96k (2.6%) exc +1”

Not a bad night for ITV for any means, although the following would have arguably been better:

17:55 - You've Been Framed!
18:40 - FILM: McPhee
20:45 - Take Me Out
22:00 - Jonathan Ross
mossy2103
10-02-2013
Originally Posted by ftv:
“My mind is put at ease Andy with your reassurance that every contestant is checked to make sure he/she pays the TV licence, I trust they bring them to the studio to prove it.”

Why?


Or are you now saying that only those who pay the TVL have a right to appear on programmes that provide entertainment for others (and receive a fee for doing so)?

Perhaps then the BBC should stop showing US films & drama, as few who appear in them (for our entertainment) will have paid the TVL

Perhaps only those who have paid into the BBC should get anything out of it. And for sure, no-one who doesn't have a TV Licence should appear as part of a BBC programme.

And that only LF holders can attend any recordings of BBC shows.


A silly concept. And one that would be expensive to administer.

Every programme requires a programme budget, that budget pays for the writers, the musicians, the presenters, the actors, the appearance fees, the sets, the design, the makeup, the production team, the effects people. People watch because of that investment.

Same as house & garden makeovers - there is a cost not dissimilar to the costs listed above, except this time the general public is involved. But viewers still switch on to watch.

The BBC spends money to make a programme that people watch. That's what TV production is all about. And some costs very little, some dramas cost a bomb.


Edit: the costs of Doctor Who:

Quote:
“Apparently it's down to £687,000 an episode from £1,107,000 ..... shameful!!! someone at the top hasn't got a clue!!!!!!”

http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showp...6&postcount=14
NeilVW
10-02-2013
Originally Posted by ftv:
“Sorry, being ambiguous, I meant the audiences within Scotland and Wales for the matches”

Aha I should have realised, as the Wales one was in France not Wales. Here you go...

14:00 - Six Nations (Scot/Ita)
UK-wide: 3.51m (27.2%) - peak: 4.48m (31.5%) at 16:05
* TVR of 6.1, peaking at 7.8
Scotland: 411.5k (36.0%) - peak: 574k (43.7%) at 16:05
* TVR of 9.0, peaking at 12.5

16:30 - Six Nations (Fra/Wal)
UK-wide: 4.71m (24.9%) - peak: 5.50m (25.0%) at 18:40
* TVR of 8.2, peaking at 9.5
Wales: 763k (60.5%) - peak: 893k (63.2%) at 18:40
* TVR of 27.2 , peaking at 31.8

Those Welsh sure love their rugby!
iaindb
10-02-2013
Originally Posted by D.M.N.:
“Not a bad night for ITV for any means,”

Really? On a miserable night in February?

Originally Posted by NeilVW:
“Last night was the best overnight for Casualty in more than a year: it was last higher on 21 January 2012 with 5.67m (24.0%). The share is the highest since 14 January 2012 (6.07m/25.6%).

(”

I still feel that Casualty is underperforming considering that last night's episode was heavily trailed and on against ratings flop Jonathan Ross. Plus BBC2's Howard Goddall's Story Of Music probably had less than 1m viewers cos it did last week. However, for BBC1, overnights are increasingly irrelevant and Casualty will probably rate about 6.3m in the consolidateds and that's a good figure these days.
D.M.N.
10-02-2013
Originally Posted by iaindb:
“Really? On a miserable night in February?”

When I seen BBC One's ratings, I was expecting ITV to be a fair bit lower, when the ratings are solid. Not fantastic, but solid. Nanny McPhee & The Big Bang would have done better half an hour later even.
mossy2103
10-02-2013
Originally Posted by iaindb:
“I still feel that Casualty is underperforming considering that last night's episode was heavily trailed and on against ratings flop Jonathan Ross. Plus BBC2's Howard Goddall's Story Of Music probably had less than 1m viewers cos it did last week. However, for BBC1, overnights are increasingly irrelevant and Casualty will probably rate about 6.3m in the consolidateds and that's a good figure these days.”

Having said that, it was only last Autumn I think when Casualty was struggling with between 4-4.5 million. So it has improved over recent months.
Hassaan13
10-02-2013
Originally Posted by D.M.N.:
“Not a bad night for ITV for any means, although the following would have arguably been better:

17:55 - You've Been Framed!
18:40 - FILM: McPhee
20:45 - Take Me Out
22:00 - Jonathan Ross”

Would moving Take Me Out a bit later actually help though?

That may be the case next week.

When Saturday Night Takeaway returns on the 23rd, how long would it run for?
davey_wavey
10-02-2013
Are there any ratings for Spiral on BBC4? Thanks
ftv
10-02-2013
Originally Posted by NeilVW:
“Aha I should have realised, as the Wales one was in France not Wales. Here you go...

14:00 - Six Nations (Scot/Ita)
UK-wide: 3.51m (27.2%) - peak: 4.48m (31.5%) at 16:05
* TVR of 6.1, peaking at 7.8
Scotland: 411.5k (36.0%) - peak: 574k (43.7%) at 16:05
* TVR of 9.0, peaking at 12.5

16:30 - Six Nations (Fra/Wal)
UK-wide: 4.71m (24.9%) - peak: 5.50m (25.0%) at 18:40
* TVR of 8.2, peaking at 9.5
Wales: 763k (60.5%) - peak: 893k (63.2%) at 18:40
* TVR of 27.2 , peaking at 31.8

Those Welsh sure love their rugby!”

Many thanks - astonishing figure for viewing in Wales (and not bad for Scotland either)
AlexiR
10-02-2013
Originally Posted by Fudd:
“But Saturday night in Quarter One makes more sense for that kind of thing as BBC One's line up is so weak. If they try and pitch anything new on Sunday night's the biggest likelihood is it'll be strangled by BBC One. Imagine how Splash! would have performed in Dancing On Ice's slot...”

I don't think I buy this notion that Call the Midwife means they can't possibly have any success on Sunday night. There's no reason why ITV should simply throw up their hands and decide that a decaying Dancing on Ice is the best they can do Q1 Sunday.

Originally Posted by Jonwo:
“The Amazing Race would probably be too expensive and oddly I think it would be better as a weekday series than Saturday, I think the musical format can still work and its been successfully done in places like the Netherlands where they did shows searching for the leads in shows like Mary Poppins, Tarzan and Evita,”

I suppose the obvious problem with the musical format from ITV's perspective is that they've now been burnt on it twice. First time with the Cowell produced Grease is the Word and then last summer with Superstar. It may just be that their audience isn't interested in that kind of show or perhaps that the audience that is interested in those shows won't find it on ITV. Its a difficult situation.

Originally Posted by NeilVW:
“18:00 - FILM PREMIERE: Nanny McPhee & The Big Bang (2010): 4.06m (18.6%) / 4.69m (21.4%)
* peak: 4.70m (20.4%) / 5.53m (24.0%) at 19:50”

Surprisingly strong showing for Nanny McPhee. Can't say I was holding out much hope for it.
Brekkie
10-02-2013
Originally Posted by AlexiR:
“Two nights of Splash...?

The problem with the 'what else could get 6m' argument is that how much longer is Dancing on Ice going to be getting that? Looking at the year-on-year drops it seems unlikely that ITV will be able to bank on it hitting that kind of level next year. In truth there's no shortage of potential formats and ideas out there that ITV could try Q1 next year if they wanted to. Whether any of them would be a success is another issue entirely but at this point I'm not sure ITV have a whole lot to lose by trying.”

Well I could have said "what else could get 4m", but that's a bit harsh on DoI.

The only way they could fill the slot is move The X Factor and lure Simon Cowell back, either running the series Nov-March, with live shows beginning in January, or the whole thing from January, probably ending late April/early May to avoid all the FA Cup/Champions League clashes. Although that would almost certainly rate better than Dancing on Ice, all it does is open up potential problems elsewhere in the year. However these potential problems could and should be seen as opportunities for ITV to find the next big hit.


If Dancing on Ice were to be axed now I'd be tempted to go with the following for Saturdays at least:

Sept-Oct: Saturday Night Takeaway / Take Me Out or Splash (I think the diving season is done by then)
Nov-Dec: X Factor auditions / I'm a Celeb / other filler
Jan-Mar: X Factor Live Shows
(then a few weeks of filler separating X Factor and BGT)
Apr-May: BGT / Take Me Out
June-Aug: Usual summer filler

Cowell would be back on X Factor but probably be lost from BGT, though I think X Factor needs him more than BGT.

Sunday is much trickier as there really is only X Factor results and the occassional XF/BGT audition show which would anchor the night, so I do think moving the Thu 8pm and Fri 8.30pm edition of Emmerdale and Corrie back to ensure a consistent big hitter throughout the year would be wise. Thu 8.30pm shows can move to the slot on Friday, then ITV have to find something for Thu 8pm, which may or may not be easier to fill across the year than Sun 7pm.
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