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Old 24-01-2013, 13:22
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Anyway laptops (no such thing as a notebook by the way) are just tools and as about as interesting. Mobile is the thing.
Yes, there is.

You best get on the phone to Toshiba and Apple to tell them because they refer to their laptops as notebooks.

Thank God there someone on the internet on a one person crusade to put them right
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Old 24-01-2013, 13:45
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Well you are running an App actually, unedr W8 the desktop is an app.

But yes, I basically do the same on my W8 setup and do not use any of the app store apps at all.

I still use my W7 setup mostly, as it has a lot of Vmware VMs tied into it for my work testing and W8 is still pretty poor on that side.
The desktop is not an App! There is and app to launch the desktop but you'll not see a desktop app running in task manager like you do with the proper apps
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Old 24-01-2013, 15:27
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Yes, there is.

You best get on the phone to Toshiba and Apple to tell them because they refer to their laptops as notebooks.

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The expression "notebook" when referring to portable computers has been around since the 80s, it's not something Apple or Toshiba have come up with.
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Old 24-01-2013, 15:32
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Well you are running an App actually, unedr W8 the desktop is an app.

But yes, I basically do the same on my W8 setup and do not use any of the app store apps at all.

I still use my W7 setup mostly, as it has a lot of Vmware VMs tied into it for my work testing and W8 is still pretty poor on that side.
The desktop is an App in all versions of windows.
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Old 24-01-2013, 15:34
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The desktop is not an App! There is and app to launch the desktop but you'll not see a desktop app running in task manager like you do with the proper apps
Yes I was just playing
I agree with you that it not an App as from the W8 appstore, but it can be closed etc in the same way, which I have done when remote and is a pain!.

Also on Windows 8, I just used the 'Windows 7 File Recovery' tool using a system image and it worked a treat. Probably well worth doing if you use W8 as a desktop only O/S, as the File History/Metro restore is a pretty basic type of backup tool.
I have no idea really why they tried to hide this away.
Is anyone using any other tool, Ive always liked the W7 backup tool Myself?
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Old 24-01-2013, 15:50
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Yes I was just playing
I agree with you that it not an App as from the W8 appstore, but it can be closed etc in the same way, which I have done when remote and is a pain!.

Also on Windows 8, I just used the 'Windows 7 File Recovery' tool using a system image and it worked a treat. Probably well worth doing if you use W8 as a desktop only O/S, as the File History/Metro restore is a pretty basic type of backup tool.
I have no idea really why they tried to hide this away.
Is anyone using any other tool, Ive always liked the W7 backup tool Myself?
It can still be closed? Umm... how it still needs to run Explorer as the shell to support tray apps and the alike. So unless you've gone into Task Manager and explictly killed Explorer, which I can't even see in the anymore. I can't see how you've managed it.
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Old 24-01-2013, 15:52
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The expression "notebook" when referring to portable computers has been around since the 80s, it's not something Apple or Toshiba have come up with.
Never said they did, just that they refer to them as notebooks.

TBH, the whole comment shows exactly what is wrong with most discussions about Win8
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Old 24-01-2013, 15:56
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Is anyone using any other tool, Ive always liked the W7 backup tool Myself?
I use: http://www.todo-backup.com/products/...p-software.htm
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Old 24-01-2013, 17:12
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It can still be closed? Umm... how it still needs to run Explorer as the shell to support tray apps and the alike. So unless you've gone into Task Manager and explictly killed Explorer, which I can't even see in the anymore. I can't see how you've managed it.
I think it's there for a consistency and it actually just switches away, but does not kill the explorer. Hard to tell, one needs Task Manager to check and it runs on desktop
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Old 24-01-2013, 17:22
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FWIW Sinofsky said " Windows 8 will let users treat the traditional desktop as 'just another app'" and "you can think of the Windows desktop as just another app".
http://tech.slashdot.org/story/11/09...st-another-app
Mind you, look what happened to Sinofsky! Of course, he's describing how it appears to the user, not how it works technically.

BTW, what's an app? I prefer to restrict use of the term "app" to Metro apps (full screen, no close or minimise button) and use the word "program" to refer to EXE files. I fully realise that not everyone uses the words that way though.
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Old 24-01-2013, 17:59
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BTW, what's an app? I prefer to restrict use of the term "app" to Metro apps (full screen, no close or minimise button) and use the word "program" to refer to EXE files. I fully realise that not everyone uses the words that way though.
I agree with you, although I think MS calls apps "Windows Store apps".

However, from many years working as a Microsoft Trainer I know that whenever the MS Marketing department has a role in deciding what things are called, it's a disaster.
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Old 24-01-2013, 18:32
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I don't know which is worse; Windows 8 or finding out that people pay for operating systems!

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Old 24-01-2013, 18:36
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I don't know which is worse; Windows 8 or finding out that people pay for operating systems!

We're not all pirates.
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Old 24-01-2013, 19:25
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I don't know which is worse; Windows 8 or finding out that people pay for operating systems!

We're not all pirates.
You don't have to be a pirate to get a free OS, Linux is free and depending on what distro you use is a very good Os.

it is stable, reliable and secure, ok it have not been hit with the amount of viruses and malware that windows have been.

But and this is the main problem I have with linux, lack of software. Sure you got the basic stuff like browsers, office suites, desktop publishing, but it s when you come to stuff like video editing, audio editing even photo editing the software falls down..
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Old 24-01-2013, 19:28
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Let's get this straight, from what I can understand reading through the posts...Windows 8 is fine on PC's provided you change it from the way Microsoft intended it to be used ?
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Old 24-01-2013, 19:31
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Let's get this straight, from what I can understand reading through the posts...Windows 8 is fine on PC's provided you change it from the way Microsoft intended it to be used ?
In a word, yes.
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Old 24-01-2013, 19:38
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You don't have to be a pirate to get a free OS, Linux is free and depending on what distro you use is a very good Os.

it is stable, reliable and secure, ok it have not been hit with the amount of viruses and malware that windows have been.

But and this is the main problem I have with linux, lack of software. Sure you got the basic stuff like browsers, office suites, desktop publishing, but it s when you come to stuff like video editing, audio editing even photo editing the software falls down..
I'm well aware of this, I was making an equally as pointless post.

I live mostly in Xbuntu on my desktop PC now and I find I can do most of the stuff I do in Windows via the browser. The rest I do is dev work and Linux is awesome for this. Apart from when I need to work on Windows apps.
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Old 24-01-2013, 19:40
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Let's get this straight, from what I can understand reading through the posts...Windows 8 is fine on PC's provided you change it from the way Microsoft intended it to be used ?
No Windows 8 is just fine as it is. Some people just have the attitude of "THIS IS NOT WHAT I'M USED TO, SOMEBODY NEEDS TO BE FIRED FOR THIS, HOW DO I GET THE OLD VERSION BACK" - imagine the pointed haired boss from Dilbert.

I'm actually waiting for someone to start posting "M$", the general level of reasoning is certainly around there.
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Old 24-01-2013, 19:44
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Let's get this straight, from what I can understand reading through the posts...Windows 8 is fine on PC's provided you change it from the way Microsoft intended it to be used ?
That seems to be generally regarded as making it just about usable, provided you don't run into any hardware or software incompatibility problems, or the fast start bugs (fixed by disabling that feature), or operating system files put on inappropriate hard discs, and you're ok with having a ribbon bar instead of a menu in Windows Explorer, and you're not running high-end 3D games or simulations which might run slower.
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Old 24-01-2013, 19:45
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No Windows 8 is just fine as it is.
That's an opinion. Not a common opinion though.
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Old 24-01-2013, 19:47
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That's an opinion. Not a common opinion though.
And having to install Classic Shell or w/e is a fact?

FYI, it's not a popular opinion here. In other places there is a bit more balance.
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Old 24-01-2013, 19:55
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And having to install Classic Shell or w/e is a fact?
No, it's an option which many people prefer.
FYI, it's not a popular opinion here. In other places there is a bit more balance.
Where?
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Old 24-01-2013, 20:12
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Funny how those who are anti consider their opinion to be fact and that those who like it only have an opinion.....
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Old 24-01-2013, 20:21
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No, it's an option which many people prefer.

Where?
So what was the point you're trying to make by calling mine out as an opinion? Thankfully for the world at large, popular opinion and what is right are not the same thing.
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Old 24-01-2013, 20:30
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Funny how those who are anti consider their opinion to be fact and that those who like it only have an opinion.....
I haven't tried Win 8 on a touch interface yet but I can imagine that it works quite well. However, the Modern UI is totally unsuitable for a keyboard/pointer based system. Having one app open at a time is fine on a tablet but not in a desktop working environment where the whole point of Windows is to have multiple...errr.. windows open at the same time. No corporate IT department is going to touch 8 with a bargepole.
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